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Old 05-18-2013, 01:15 PM   #326
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Thanks for checking back in Tjohns. It seems like the comments on the CVT mpg are broken down into two groups - one which, like yours, are based on a global perspective of comparison with other vehicles and their mpg vs. EPA ratings, and a combination of those who either love the car so much they don't care or don't drive very much so don't care or don't have a frame of reference so think they just have to slow way down to get the EPA highway rating, with possibly a smattering of fluke vehicles or questionable posts about getting good mpg at normal speeds.

Then of course we have the imbeciles who defend the CVT mpg when they don't even HAVE a CVT...
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:45 AM   #327
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but are people confusing the units for the fuel economy. I checked Canadian Subaru website and it lists the following:
7.5/5.5 (L/100 km) City/Highway
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38/51 (Imperial MPG) City/Highway
In US MPG it would be:
31.6/42.5 (US MPG)
Hmmm, it's interesting how the fuel enconomy stats are different on the US Subaru website. It lists it as:
27/36/30 (MPG) City/Highway/Combined
Anyways, I've been satisfied with my fuel economy 9l/100km (computer calculated) so far over ~5000km. I'd say it's been 80% city with maybe less than half of that stop and go traffic. I also started using Fuelly.com and I've noticed the stats it reports are ~5% off (ie. worst economy) than the computer calculated ones.
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:17 PM   #328
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Thanks for checking back in Tjohns. It seems like the comments on the CVT mpg are broken down into two groups - one which, like yours, are based on a global perspective of comparison with other vehicles and their mpg vs. EPA ratings, and a combination of those who either love the car so much they don't care or don't drive very much so don't care or don't have a frame of reference so think they just have to slow way down to get the EPA highway rating, with possibly a smattering of fluke vehicles or questionable posts about getting good mpg at normal speeds.

Then of course we have the imbeciles who defend the CVT mpg when they don't even HAVE a CVT...
How did you miss that there is a third group, not really hidden on the forums, consisting of people driving either a CVT or 5 speed, that are meeting or exceeding the EPA Highway numbers while driving on the highway at speeds less than 70mph?

Ah, but in your pathological view they are either paid rubes/Subaru employees or lying, while anyone who agrees with you that the car cannot meet the EPA numbers is a verified genius. LOL
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:13 PM   #329
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How did you miss that there is a third group, not really hidden on the forums, consisting of people driving either a CVT or 5 speed, that are meeting or exceeding the EPA Highway numbers while driving on the highway at speeds less than 70mph?

Ah, but in your pathological view they are either paid rubes/Subaru employees or lying, while anyone who agrees with you that the car cannot meet the EPA numbers is a verified genius. LOL
ROFLMAO - MY pathological view? I said "or don't have a frame of reference so think they just have to slow way down to get the EPA highway rating, with possibly a smattering of fluke vehicles or questionable posts about getting good mpg at normal speeds."

Which includes your "third group", and the experience you have is with the 5MT which we aren't even talking about in this thread anyway.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #330
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Steve please stop talikng like you represent all cvt owners. I drive the speed limit or 5 over and meet or exceed epa.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #331
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ROFLMAO - MY pathological view? I said "or don't have a frame of reference so think they just have to slow way down to get the EPA highway rating, with possibly a smattering of fluke vehicles or questionable posts about getting good mpg at normal speeds."

Which includes your "third group", and the experience you have is with the 5MT which we aren't even talking about in this thread anyway.
That is a strange diatribe.

Are we talking about the same group?

Can you understand that there is more than a smattering of people on the forums who drive their car on the highway and get the EPA numbers at 'normal' speeds between 60-70mph (both CVT and 5 speed).

Those 'normal' speeds that are consistent with the testing done by the EPA to establish the HWY mpg number?

Maybe you cannot understand it, but anyone who understands how to read English can read the posts from this third, unmentioned group, on the forum. It isn't an opinion, you just have to read and not ignore what many drivers have posted about their mpg's and the speeds they are driving to obtain them.

It isn't hard to find examples like I am citing, for example, read the post immediately preceding this one...

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Old 05-19-2013, 07:13 PM   #332
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but are people confusing the units for the fuel economy. I checked Canadian Subaru website and it lists the following:
7.5/5.5 (L/100 km) City/Highway
or
38/51 (Imperial MPG) City/Highway
In US MPG it would be:
31.6/42.5 (US MPG)
Hmmm, it's interesting how the fuel enconomy stats are different on the US Subaru website. It lists it as:
27/36/30 (MPG) City/Highway/Combined
Anyways, I've been satisfied with my fuel economy 9l/100km (computer calculated) so far over ~5000km. I'd say it's been 80% city with maybe less than half of that stop and go traffic. I also started using Fuelly.com and I've noticed the stats it reports are ~5% off (ie. worst economy) than the computer calculated ones.
It's possible to get 5.5l solely on highway with the Canadian model. The sport package come with a side skirt & the car is also lower than the US model. It's possible to achieve it on a hot day.

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Old 05-19-2013, 07:32 PM   #333
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Steve please stop talikng like you represent all cvt owners. I drive the speed limit or 5 over and meet or exceed epa.
I'm not "representing" anyone. I'm just summarizing what I've seen. "5 over" your speed limit is 105 kph (65 mph), correct? A typical Impreza CVT rated at 36 mpg EPA highway can achieve that on the flat on a good day, but so can the cars in the OP in this thread that are rated 30 mpg there. EPA ratings are for comparison only - and the Impreza CVT compares with vehicles reporting much less than 36 mpg EPA highway - and in fact all the vehicles in the Consumer Reports database that got 35 mpg on the Consumer Reports' real world highway test are rated quite tightly around 30 mpg EPA highway.

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It isn't hard to find examples like I am citing, for example, read the post immediately preceding this one...
Of course it's not, but they are just that - examples. There are a lot of examples on both sides of this discussion. Anecdotes mean nothing except the experience of that driver in his CVT.

And, Zeeper, since you don't even have a CVT, your opinion in this discussion then means less than that - less than nothing!.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:19 PM   #334
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As usual, you failed to see the point here. No need to slow down to get good mpg, you just need to drive responsively which in my case happen to be drving at the speed limit. I couldn't care less about other cars, i bought a subaru because that is where my research brought me to; a car with great mpg and awd.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:18 AM   #335
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No, it is you who fail to see the point. In the term "great mpg" that you use, "great" is a subjective term. You also say you couldn't care less about other cars. So how do you define great? Never mind, that was a rhetorical question...
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And, Zeeper, since you don't even have a CVT, your opinion in this discussion then means less than that - less than nothing!.

It isn't an opinion, it is the ability to read and understand English (even when it tells me something I might not want to know).

All you want to do is spout nonsense to others that agree with you while you simultaneously plug your ears and hum like a two year old when someone tells you something that does not confirm your already pre-determined "facts".

I suggest you either buy NASOIC and kick me out, or shut the hell up about whether I can read and comment upon what I read on the forum, even your "please bitch with me thread, but please this is a bitch thread, don't disagree with my bitching"...

Every post you write makes me smile at this point, the more miserable you are with your car the more you deserve it, IMHO.

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Old 05-20-2013, 07:24 AM   #337
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True, it is subjective. The facts are that the impreza meet all my expectations wrt mpg and handling in snow/icy conditions. Those were the 2 main criteria that i was looking at when i bought the car. So based on the 25000 km that i have put on the car so far i can say that the impreza performs as advertised for me. Others with different driving habits and different commutes might have similar, better or worst results; there is no way around that.

The only true constant here is the vehicle, all other factors are variable that are going to positively or negatively affect the outcome.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:20 AM   #338
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It isn't an opinion, it is the ability to read and understand English (even when it tells me something I might not want to know).

All you want to do is spout nonsense to others that agree with you while you simultaneously plug your ears and hum like a two year old when someone tells you something that does not confirm your already determined "facts".

I suggest you either buy NASOIC and kick me out, or shut the hell up about whether I can read and comment upon what I read on the forum, even your "please bitch with me thread, but please this is a bitch thread, don't disagree with my bitching"...

Every post you write makes me smile at this point, the more miserable you are with your car the more you deserve it, IMHO.
LOL - That was a productive post! (NOT)

So, I guess you are saying that based on the anecdotes of a dozen people here that they are "happy" with the mpg they get, and indeed only half of those provide any comparative numbers for evidence while others get 10 mpg worse under the same circumstances, you are willing to argue on behalf of SOA that tens of thousands of Impreza CVT's are "performing as advertised"?

How many miles and how many tanks do you have in a CVT?

You have yet to provide any objective data to back up the EPA highway estimate of 36 mpg (because there isn't any??).

And, this is not a "please bitch with me thread, but please this is a bitch thread, don't disagree with my bitching", but more of a "what can Subaru do to fix this problem" thread. The fact that a couple of irrational posers come in to hijack the thread while attempting to negate the data does not make the Impreza CVT get better mpg.

And, I would say I'm disappointed, but certainly not "miserable"!

I guess I could go over on one of the oil usage threads and berate them since I don't have that problem. Oh, wait... That's different. I actually could have that problem...

Which reminds me - Caocao I don't think we can say the car is a constant in mpg - it's certainly not in terms of oil use!
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Old 05-20-2013, 01:44 PM   #339
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You have yet to provide any objective data to back up the EPA highway estimate of 36 mpg (because there isn't any??).
I call BS, once again...

Steve, 36+ mpg on highways (back roads) is achievable! It is; however, not achievable driving at 70+ mph (that is unless you are going down hill with a brisk wind at your back) on most interstate "highways".

One thing that I have failed to observe, is if your little Toyota outperforms it's EPA standards for City Driving. You are obsessed on the Highway EPA numbers and I would really like your observations and "math" regarding true city numbers.

My advice is for you to trade in the Impreza for a new Corolla and see how that "fits the bill". From all that you have proselytized, you would then save many thousands of dollars on gas over the total time of ownership -AND- as a bonus, we will not need to hear your constant complaints. The car is what is it is - no more and no less.

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Old 05-20-2013, 02:11 PM   #340
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i don't think he would be happy with a new Corolla either...but we would be happier
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32547&id=32950

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/corolla/2013
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Old 05-20-2013, 03:31 PM   #341
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i don't think he would be happy with a new Corolla either...but we would be happier
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32547&id=32950

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/corolla/2013

No, you are all failing to realize that the corolla gets better mileage the faster it is driven, particularly uphill, and is a pleasure to drive at 85mph.

Where is that spreadsheet again?

Oh yeah, because two full standard deviations, blah blah blah...

The EPA will write me back, soon, right? Restraining order? Stalker, me?

LOL

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Old 05-20-2013, 06:41 PM   #342
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bravo zeeper bravo




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Old 05-20-2013, 09:54 PM   #343
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If you people are still getting ****ty mpg something is severely wrong with your cars and you need to either stop posting here until you fix it or just die.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:23 AM   #344
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Man, glad mine gets good mpg's.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:11 PM   #345
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Man, glad mine gets good mpg's.
LOL yeah, a lot of messenger shooting around here...
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:31 PM   #346
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OMG Yes +1

And Zipper - Please change your name to last edited by zipper. Really? If anyone has the time, find the % of Zippers posts that are edited. Prob pretty high.
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Its been mentioned, but the real killer of mpg's on these cars is any kind of incline. We don't have too much hilly terrain but cvt or 5mt- if you hit a hill the mileage sucks. And the A/C kills several mpg's.
So if you do 55-60 on flat ground, you can easily beat the epa numbers.
But if you drive in hills, pass anyone, accelerate very hard, or drive the car like normal, I doubt the epa numbers are going to happen for you.
I think a lot of engineering went into duplicating the epa tests, and optimizing the car to be as efficient as possible within those parameters.
Most fwd cars are easy to get better mileage out of. I pretty much hyper-mile mine, and I do pretty well. But my previous fwd cars were much easier to get good mpg's from.
I think there is some creedence to the argument that the epa's #'s are hard to meet, as the mpg's are the most common complaints about these cars last time I checked.
But aside from the very obvious problem of oil burning, I like my Impreza pretty well.
If I werent burning oil, then I guess the seats and rattling interior would be my biggest complaints, although living in Fl at sea level, getting good mpg's is fairly easy.
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Rolling hills aren't bad, you just have to resist running the RPM's way up to the point where the MPG's suffer. I spent the weekend chasing around the Finger Lakes area of NY, not what I'd call flat by any means, lots of rolling hills, and was sitting at 36 MPG on the display with about 330 miles on the tank. At one point, I was over 40 MPG, however some crosswinds, cooler night air, and some brief runs on the interstate brought that down a little. Even with around 30 miles of 'city' type driving today, I'm still at 35.7 MPG and two bars left on the fuel gauge (fillup tomorrow after work, very interested to see the calculated numbers). Looking like it might be my best tank yet in the 17,200+ miles I've put on the car. CVT, of course, and even played with the paddle shifters some.
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Final numbers on the tank were 377.6 miles, MPG worked out to 33.0, with 35.1 showing on the display. Got 60 miles on the next tank already, and showing 36.0 MPG on the display.
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but are people confusing the units for the fuel economy. I checked Canadian Subaru website and it lists the following:
7.5/5.5 (L/100 km) City/Highway
or
38/51 (Imperial MPG) City/Highway
In US MPG it would be:
31.6/42.5 (US MPG)
Hmmm, it's interesting how the fuel enconomy stats are different on the US Subaru website. It lists it as:
27/36/30 (MPG) City/Highway/Combined
Anyways, I've been satisfied with my fuel economy 9l/100km (computer calculated) so far over ~5000km. I'd say it's been 80% city with maybe less than half of that stop and go traffic. I also started using Fuelly.com and I've noticed the stats it reports are ~5% off (ie. worst economy) than the computer calculated ones.
the real reason canada's estimates differ from the epa's is that the driving test is different. in canada the test averages 77km/h for the highway portion, with a vmax of less than 100km/h. the EPA estimates are a little more realistic for real life highway driving.

at 80 km/h i can easily beat even the canadian estimate.
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