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Old 05-23-2013, 08:08 AM   #351
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That's interesting, i had never noticed before that they are quoting imperial gal instead of us gal.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:21 AM   #352
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Rolling hills aren't bad, you just have to resist running the RPM's way up to the point where the MPG's suffer.
You mean like above 2000 rpm? My CVT is over 2000 rpm on the flat at the speed limit. Even paddled in 5th gear it won't climb as well as my other identically rated car in high gear.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:10 AM   #353
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You mean like above 2000 rpm? My CVT is over 2000 rpm on the flat at the speed limit. Even paddled in 5th gear it won't climb as well as my other identically rated car in high gear.
Your not really comparing the "gears" in the cvt to gears in a reg auto or 5-speed are you? Any cred you had is out the window
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:40 AM   #354
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Your not really comparing the "gears" in the cvt to gears in a reg auto or 5-speed are you? Any cred you had is out the window
When in M mode and using the paddles, it acts like a manual transmission - you have six "gears". Sixth gear will hardly hold any incline at all, and as I said, 5th gear won't hold speed on hills as well as my other car (yes, the Corolla that gets 8-10 mpg better even though rated an identical 36 mpg EPA highway) in high gear.

So yes, I'm comparing M mode to a manual transmission. I would try to engage in a constructive conversation with you, but since you attacked right away and showed how little you actually know about it, I'll just leave you as you are, with your head up your A$$.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:46 AM   #355
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When in M mode and using the paddles, it acts like a manual transmission - you have six "gears". Sixth gear will hardly hold any incline at all, and as I said, 5th gear won't hold speed on hills as well as my other car (yes, the Corolla that gets 8-10 mpg better even though rated an identical 36 mpg EPA highway) in high gear.

So yes, I'm comparing M mode to a manual transmission. I would try to engage in a constructive conversation with you, but since you attacked right away and showed how little you actually know about it, I'll just leave you as you are, with your head up your A$$.
Your comparing a cvt with virtual gears to a 5-speed. I guess that's like you comparing a FWD to AWD. Now, if your comparing an auto, or better yet a clutch less manual trans with a full manual, then I might engage in a conversation with you. But as it is, I have better things to do than talk to someone debating a topic with absolutely no merit. I believe I'd look exactly where my head was before telling someone else where theirs is. It really goes a long way to showing all of us your maturity level.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:06 AM   #356
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You mean like above 2000 rpm? My CVT is over 2000 rpm on the flat at the speed limit.
What speed limit are we talking about? In mine I can do about 65 and be sitting right at 2000.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:14 AM   #357
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When in M mode and using the paddles, it acts like a manual transmission - you have six "gears". Sixth gear will hardly hold any incline at all, and as I said, 5th gear won't hold speed on hills as well as my other car (yes, the Corolla that gets 8-10 mpg better even though rated an identical 36 mpg EPA highway) in high gear.

So yes, I'm comparing M mode to a manual transmission. I would try to engage in a constructive conversation with you, but since you attacked right away and showed how little you actually know about it, I'll just leave you as you are, with your head up your A$$.
Why are you using the paddles?
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:05 PM   #358
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What speed limit are we talking about? In mine I can do about 65 and be sitting right at 2000.
Same here at or slightly below 2k at 65 mph.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:31 PM   #359
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Your comparing a cvt with virtual gears to a 5-speed. I guess that's like you comparing a FWD to AWD.
Yeah, well whatever. The EPA considers AWD vs. FWD n their estimates, that's why the FWD versions of identical cars get better mpg than the AWD versions. But her, if that's too difficult of a concept for you, just go away...
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:33 PM   #360
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Same here at or slightly below 2k at 65 mph.
I have to wait for a windless day on a flat two way run spot to confirm, but that's possible. It starts winding up above that though - seems like faster than constant gearing.
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:51 AM   #361
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Yeah, well whatever. The EPA considers AWD vs. FWD n their estimates, that's why the FWD versions of identical cars get better mpg than the AWD versions. But her, if that's too difficult of a concept for you, just go away...
I'm confused, if your saying that your post is too difficult a concept for me, then finally your right on the money. It started with lots of maturity, then got very hazy in the middle saying I guess, that the only reason the FWD cars get better mpg than AWD is because the EPA considered it in their reports. Then finishes by telling me to go away. Is that an accurate deduction? Besides the incoherent nature of the post, it was off topic as well.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:55 AM   #362
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...So yes, I'm comparing M mode to a manual transmission....
Explain how this is a valid comparison, as the gear ratios in the two vehicles are probably different (which would obviously effect the fuel economy either positively or negatively when compared at a particular gear).

I don't know what your Corolla uses but for reference these are the gear ratios for the 2013 Impreza (sport package, 5-door)

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First Gear 3.454 3.581
Second Gear 1.888 2.262
Third Gear 1.296 1.658
Fourth Gear 0.972 1.208
Fifth Gear 0.738 0.885
Sixth Gear N/A 0.618
Reverse Gear 3.333 3.667
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Also, just because two vehicles have similar fuel economy ratings does not mean they will will perform the same in every situation.

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Old 05-29-2013, 07:43 AM   #363
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Explain how this is a valid comparison, as the gear ratios in the two vehicles are probably different (which would obviously effect the fuel economy either positively or negatively when compared at a particular gear).
Of course there are minor differences in gears, but I'm not sure I get your point. There are minor differences in gear ratios of most manufacturers transmissions, but we still compare them, right?

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Also, just because two vehicles have similar fuel economy ratings does not mean they will will perform the same in every situation.
Obviously not - differences in tuning, gear ratios, wind resistance, weight, etc. That is all compensated (yes, including AWD vs FWD) for by the EPA testing. Some vehicles will perform better in some circumstances, others in other circumstances. Unless of course one of them is 5 standard deviations deficient...
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:10 AM   #364
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Unless of course one of them is 5 standard deviations deficient...
Based upon your use of data published by the professional drivers at Consumer Reports, the same professional drivers who said:

"Subaru's small car is well-rounded, with a roomy interior and compliant ride. Fuel economy is impressive given the standard all-wheel-drive. It's available both as a sedan or hatchback. It's Consumer Reports 2012 Top Pick small car."

Ditto for the 2013 Impreza...

I know you get all worked up when we point that out...knowing you are just a hack trying to work their data to prove a point that is continually being undermined by the reported mileage, on this forum, from our real, "non-professional" CVT owners, who keep getting those "unattainable" EPA mpg numbers.

What is that about 5 standard deviations? And now you have also road tested and failed your holy grail, gold standard, new Toyota corolla, as it also sucks fuel. Must be a sad week for you.

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Old 05-29-2013, 10:39 AM   #365
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Based upon your use of data published by the professional drivers at Consumer Reports, the same professional drivers who said:

"Subaru's small car is well-rounded, with a roomy interior and compliant ride. Fuel economy is impressive given the standard all-wheel-drive. It's available both as a sedan or hatchback. It's Consumer Reports 2012 Top Pick small car."
You're like a broken record with your left field responses. Nobody is disputing the CVT gets good mpg for an AWD. The question is: Does it get what is advertised?
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Ditto for the 2013 Impreza...

I know you get all worked up when we point that out...knowing you are just a hack trying to work their data to prove a point that is continually being undermined by the reported mileage, on this forum, from our real, "non-professional" CVT owners, who keep getting those "unattainable" EPA mpg numbers.
And yet from your fantasyland you forget I've gotten 50 mpg in my CVT Impreza - at under 50 mph. But you think all half dozen of the anecdotes saying they get the advertised mpg is enough to establish proof that the car gets it advertised mpg? Like one poster said: I'm happy with it and I don't care what it gets compared to other cars".

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What is that about 5 standard deviations? And now you have also road tested and failed your holy grail, gold standard, new Toyota corolla, as it also sucks fuel. Must be a sad week for you.
Obviously you don't know the significance (so to speak) of being 5 standard deviations from the norm.

As for the 2013 Corolla I rented - yes, it only got 33 mpg at 75 mph - but it's only rated at 34 mpg epa highway.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:35 AM   #366
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You're like a broken record with your left field responses. Nobody is disputing the CVT gets good mpg for an AWD. The question is: Does it get what is advertised?
Yes, it does for many owners here on the forum. They keep reporting their excellent mileage, and you just think they are all liars? LOL

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Obviously you don't know the significance (so to speak) of being 5 standard deviations from the norm.
Golly, five standard deviations? Why do you think Consumer Reports, who created the data set you are mining, recommend the car for its excellent fuel economy? Maybe they are not as concerned with "deviation" as you seem to be, perhaps a psychiatrist could help with your unique fixation?

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Old 05-29-2013, 12:27 PM   #367
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some of you worry about stupid $hit
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And some need to get their thoughts together before posting... Last Edited Again.. Really, I am going to start counting for Socialogical Stats.....
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How many of the people getting unsatisfactory mileage frequently use manual mode instead of just letting the CVT do it's thing?
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:50 PM   #370
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Damn...you get 30mpg on your impreza? I get only 26...average
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:36 AM   #371
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How many of the people getting unsatisfactory mileage frequently use manual mode instead of just letting the CVT do it's thing?
Define "frequently". I use it every day for some stretches when I drive it to work, but I have a long commute with hills, pretty much empty Interstate. If I didn't it would wind up to keep the cruise control speed and in some cases going up hills I get less than 10 mpg. So I shift to 5th or 4th to keep the revs down.

I get better mpg with a judicious use of the paddles, but it's still unsatisfactory.
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^I'd still think you're better setting the cruise control at a reasonable speed and let it do its thing, rather than trying to paddle shift to keep the rpms down.

5 standard deviations aside, do you really think you're supposed to get the EPA mpg driving the speed your driving over rolling hills on the highway?
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^I'd still think you're better setting the cruise control at a reasonable speed and let it do its thing, rather than trying to paddle shift to keep the rpms down.

5 standard deviations aside, do you really think you're supposed to get the EPA mpg driving the speed your driving over rolling hills on the highway?
Yup. The computers controlling the engine and transmission know more about what they're doing than we do. Trying to keep the revs down doesn't work because the engine just doesn't have the power to maintain highway speeds up a grade, so you end up causing the engine to run at a very high load by forcing the transmission to stay in a higher gear ratio.

Any complaint Steve has with the CVT is invalidated now that he's admitted to bypassing its operation.
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^I'd still think you're better setting the cruise control at a reasonable speed and let it do its thing, rather than trying to paddle shift to keep the rpms down.

5 standard deviations aside, do you really think you're supposed to get the EPA mpg driving the speed your driving over rolling hills on the highway?
I've tried that and it doesn't work as well. By using the paddles and keeping rpm's low on extended grades the car will lose a little speed, but with the cvt in automatic mode it revs way up to keep the speed the same, and when it revs way up it sucks gas like crazy.

And, I do get the EPA mpg driving the speed I'm driving over rolling hills on the highway. In fact I get better than the EPA highway mpg rating of 36 mpg. In my Corolla. With summer gas I get over 40 mpg driving the speed limit.
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:22 PM   #375
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But yet a new corolla fails to exceed the epa numbers as well....

There is something to be said about the power band, there are times I can get better mpg in 3rd then 5th gear....
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