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Old 07-17-2013, 05:37 AM   #526
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Not having a CVT does not prevent me from reading the mpg numbers that fellow NASIOC members are posting.

We know, blah blah blah 5-7-9 standard deviations, corolla, more blah blah blah

It is like a wave of mostly good news from other members, reporting mpg's often meeting and exceeding the epa numbers, then you emerge to post your negative feelings.
LOL.

You really are twisted aren't you. You drive away people who are realistically trying to find out why their CVT doesn't match equivalent mpg with others rated the same, shine on about how people like the fuel economy compared to their old gas guzzler, ignore statistics for anecdotes, and all this without one iota of personal experience on the subject. Where's your credibility man? Do you just not care? Actually "Zeeper" could just be a guy working out of an SOA basement office.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:44 AM   #527
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LOL.

You really are twisted aren't you. You drive away people who are realistically trying to find out why their CVT doesn't match equivalent mpg with others rated the same, shine on about how people like the fuel economy compared to their old gas guzzler, ignore statistics for anecdotes, and all this without one iota of personal experience on the subject. Where's your credibility man? Do you just not care? Actually "Zeeper" could just be a guy working out of an SOA basement office.
And you could be working for toyota so what's the difference?
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:05 AM   #528
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And you could be working for toyota so what's the difference?
I'm comparing real world numbers for two different vehicles that I own and are rated the same. Did I say I loved my Corolla? No, I said it gets 30% more mpg than the Impreza although they're both rated at 36 mpg highway. I'd much rather be commuting in the Impreza but it's not worth $8 a day in gas.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:03 AM   #529
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And you could be working for toyota so what's the difference?
LOL, spot on!
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:08 AM   #530
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I'm comparing real world numbers for two different vehicles that I own and are rated the same.
I don't think many people other than you are fascinated by your comparison, care about your corolla, or your spreadsheets. I do read the forums, and it seems at this point that you could just PM the two or three other NASIOC members who have expressed interest.

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Did I say I loved my Corolla? No, I said it gets 30% more mpg than the Impreza although they're both rated at 36 mpg highway. I'd much rather be commuting in the Impreza but it's not worth $8 a day in gas.
I don't recall anyone on the forum who asked you to talk about your personal Corolla anecdotes. Honestly, I think nobody but you gives two turds.

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Old 07-17-2013, 07:58 AM   #531
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Those who are reporting good mpg are primarily comparing it to either their old SUV or other AWD's - not the EPA advertised numbers.
This is completely false. What they are reporting is their MPG, both off the display and calculated at the pump.

They are not comparing, dissembling, or fixated on proving anything.

Read their posts, there are plenty of NASIOC members who are regularly meeting and exceeding the HWY MPG's driving their Impreza's, both with or without CVT's.

Just because their "anecdotal" reporting does not match your "anecdotal" reporting does not mean they are all idiots who cannot calculate their own mpg's, or grandmothers driving the car 40 mph on the highway, or lying liar SOA reps.

If you think that is the case, please call them all out each time they post. Good luck, there are a lot of them.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:04 AM   #532
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...3-hybrids.html

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The upgrades are designed to boost mileage in real-world driving conditions such as those simulated by Consumer Reports magazine. In those 2012 tests, the Fusion and C-Max hybrids earned 17 percent to 21 percent less than Ford’s promise of 47 miles (76 kilometers) per gallon. The Fusion achieved 39 mpg and the C-Max averaged 37 mpg in combined city and highway driving in the magazine’s test.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:14 AM   #533
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Improvements include raising the maximum pure electric speed to 85 miles per hour from 62 mph and shortening engine warm-up time,
please Subaru, do something similar to what I have highlighted
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:30 PM   #534
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This is completely false. What they are reporting is their MPG, both off the display and calculated at the pump.

They are not comparing, dissembling, or fixated on proving anything.

Read their posts, there are plenty of NASIOC members who are regularly meeting and exceeding the HWY MPG's driving their Impreza's, both with or without CVT's.

Just because their "anecdotal" reporting does not match your "anecdotal" reporting does not mean they are all idiots who cannot calculate their own mpg's, or grandmothers driving the car 40 mph on the highway, or lying liar SOA reps.

If you think that is the case, please call them all out each time they post. Good luck, there are a lot of them.
Zeeper, you are truly the Straw Man queen. Your stretching and twisting as in this post is just simply laughable.

I have admitted that some, even with the CVT, can achieve the EPA rating at the speed limit. Generally that is in a location where the topography is flat and the speed limit is 65 mph or less.

And, I have not called people idiots (that's your turf) or "grandmothers driving the car 40 mph on the highway".

Your refusal to recognize Consumer Reports' research, as in the first post of this thread, is also stupendous.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:53 PM   #535
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Your refusal to recognize Consumer Reports' research, as in the first post of this thread, is also stupendous.
And stevehnm, your "Whole Hog" acceptance of Consumer Reports' research is more stupendous than Zipper's.

IMHO the 2012 with CVT will get or not get the EPA estimated MPG depending on a variety of factors. Terrain (Don't know where Ground Control is), weight of the drivers (and/or passengers), the "Foot Factor" and a variety of other things. I see a difference of more than 10 MPG depending on who drives the car Mom, Dad, or Son. Accept those things that you are powerless to change - or just get a new Toyota (which also has the same problems that you stated).
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:36 PM   #536
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please Subaru, do something similar to what I have highlighted
My 12 impreza was non-pzev. My XV is pzev, and it warms up in about 1/4 the time it took to make the blue light go off in the 12. During daylight hours, my blue light doesnt even illuminate. I still go easy for the first few miles.
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Fwiw- I did actually see an OLD couple doing 40mph down the three lane hwy, they were so old they had the seats jacked up and the headrests removed! Ooooooold...
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:07 PM   #538
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My 12 impreza was non-pzev. My XV is pzev, and it warms up in about 1/4 the time it took to make the blue light go off in the 12. During daylight hours, my blue light doesnt even illuminate. I still go easy for the first few miles.
even when i was in Wichita last week with temps over 100, if the car sat for a few hours the blue light came on for at least 20 seconds.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:01 PM   #539
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And stevehnm, your "Whole Hog" acceptance of Consumer Reports' research is more stupendous than Zipper's.

IMHO the 2012 with CVT will get or not get the EPA estimated MPG depending on a variety of factors. Terrain (Don't know where Ground Control is), weight of the drivers (and/or passengers), the "Foot Factor" and a variety of other things. I see a difference of more than 10 MPG depending on who drives the car Mom, Dad, or Son. Accept those things that you are powerless to change - or just get a new Toyota (which also has the same problems that you stated).
First off, you obviously don't understand how closely together the other cars are rated and what that means in terms of random error.

Secondly, you apparently don't get that the "foot factor" is not a factor at all because it's the same driver on the same commute in equivalent weather in my figures, which have been done a dozen times with virtually the same results.

Not that my commute means anything relative to the dozen other cars that are rated at 30 mpg EPA highway being equal to the CVT Impreza which is rated at 36 mpg EPA highway.
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I have admitted that some, even with the CVT, can achieve the EPA rating at the speed limit. Generally that is in a location where the topography is flat and the speed limit is 65 mph or less.
In other words, if you drive within the parameters of the EPA testing, you can get the EPA mpg's.

This is no surprise to many NASIOC Impreza owners, because many of them are obtaining the EPA HWY mpg's, by driving on the highway sub-70mph (and not all of them live in the flatlands, but rather than assume, why not ask them next time when they post their high mpg numbers).

Odd how when stevenhmn drives it 75+mph up and down steep grades, he does not get 36mpg. I wonder why?

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Old 07-18-2013, 09:26 AM   #541
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In other words, if you drive within the parameters of the EPA testing, you can get the EPA mpg's.
This may be a news flash for you today, since you seem to forget every other day, but the EPA test is not "driven".

Another thing you seem to conveniently forget is that all the other cars that get the same real world mpg on the easier CR highway test are rated at right around 30 mpg, so why should the Impreza not be rated the same?
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This is no surprise to many NASIOC Impreza owners, because many of them are obtaining the EPA HWY mpg's, by driving on the highway sub-70mph (and not all of them live in the flatlands, but rather than assume, why not ask them next time when they post their high mpg numbers).
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Odd how when stevenhmn drives it 75+mph up and down steep grades, he does not get 36mpg. I wonder why?
Especially when I get over 36 mpg with my other car that's rated at (since you seem to have forgotten again) 36 mpg EPA highway.
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even when i was in Wichita last week with temps over 100, if the car sat for a few hours the blue light came on for at least 20 seconds.
Well, my new 13 has a substantially quicker warmup time than my 12. Like I said, in 85+ weather the blue light doesnt even illuminate most of the time. fwiw.
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This may be a news flash for you today, since you seem to forget every other day, but the EPA test is not "driven".
There you go, dissembling, yet again. The dynamometer simulates driving conditions. Still unclear, go here:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

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Another thing you seem to conveniently forget is that all the other cars that get the same real world mpg on the easier CR highway test are rated at right around 30 mpg, so why should the Impreza not be rated the same?
Probably because the EPA testing that manufactures must perform has nothing to do with whatever Consumer Reports decides to do in their testing. If Consumer Reports was the source of the MPG numbers on your Window Sticker, it would make your car completely unique, and illegal. The Window Sticker shows the EPA numbers as derived by the EPA mandated testing procedures. This is a simple concept to understand.


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Especially when I get over 36 mpg with my other car that's rated at (since you seem to have forgotten again) 36 mpg EPA highway.
Many NASIOC owners have found that the CVT Impreza can achieve the EPA HWY mpg rating when driven at the speeds simulated by the EPA testing procedures.

Your corolla comparison is irrelevant to the EPA tested mpgs for the Impreza. While it is nice for you that your corolla gets decent mpg's when driven fast, it does not make Subaru or the EPA liable for the poor mpg's you experience when you drive your Impreza faster than 75mph (not to mention you have told us that you also drive up some very steep grades at high speed).

Still think you are going to receive some sort of EPA response that will satisfy you?

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Old 07-18-2013, 10:49 AM   #544
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Thats funny^
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:38 AM   #546
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Well, my new 13 has a substantially quicker warmup time than my 12. Like I said, in 85+ weather the blue light doesnt even illuminate most of the time. fwiw.
XV has a larger radiator, though, right? (Towing)
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this thread is funny - if you don't like your car's mileage - get rid of it - move on

some of you sound like you'd bitch about a winning lottery ticket!
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this thread is funny - if you don't like your car's mileage - get rid of it - move on

some of you sound like you'd bitch about a winning lottery ticket!
Yup, the longer Steve keeps his car the more it will cost him. I would love to see him get a new corolla and then not see epa numbers on his drive! The fact that cars don't achieve epa mpg isn't a new phenomenon....
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:28 PM   #549
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XV has a larger radiator, though, right? (Towing)
Yes,which is even more vexing. I just went to lunch, its sat for 6 hours in the sun and its "only" 87. The blue light came on, surprisingly, and was off in less than ten or fifteen secs. My 12 would have taken three times longer at least. But the 12's light didnt always come on either. Just sayin the xv has a much smoother and quicker warmup than my early production impreza.
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:32 PM   #550
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I couldnt imagine getting good mpg's in mountainous, snowy, or congested areas. My mpg's have always exceeded the sticker, but the few times I've ever driven any cars with the fb engines in congested city traffic or had to drive through hilly areas, mpg's rapidly plummeted.
Luckily, I live in the sunshine state and get awesome mpg's.
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