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Old 07-18-2013, 04:28 PM   #551
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Yes,which is even more vexing. I just went to lunch, its sat for 6 hours in the sun and its "only" 87. The blue light came on, surprisingly, and was off in less than ten or fifteen secs. My 12 would have taken three times longer at least. But the 12's light didnt always come on either. Just sayin the xv has a much smoother and quicker warmup than my early production impreza.
FWIW, there was a TSB for the engine temp sensor for PZEV states. Not sure what exactly it was for, I believe it was for a more accurate engine temp light reading
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:21 PM   #552
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I dont libe in a pzev state. thats why my first one wasnt pzev. Its now standard.
Hehe I just did get done peeling the pzev sticker off...
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:30 PM   #553
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FWIW, there was a TSB for the engine temp sensor for PZEV states. Not sure what exactly it was for, I believe it was for a more accurate engine temp light reading
No, the TSB was to adjust the warning light so it would illuminate in an overheat situation.

Vehicles produced after the TSB went out will have the adjustment made prior to sale.
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:59 PM   #554
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After work, my blue light was off in just about five seconds. I stll let it idle for a minute before I ease on home. It runs *smoother* than my last one.
I'm at 940 miles! Almost done with the thousand mile break-in. Man have I been methodical and vigilant with this one.
No idea what mpg's it gets. I havent turned on the display yet and havent kept track of it with mileage.
Plus- breaking it in isnt a good time to hypermile. I'll wait till 2000 miles to start really watching.
Steve- I actually empathize with you, even though I'm happy with my mpg's. I had a cvt loaner and it got outstanding mileage- but only on very flat ground with no traffic. I found that the loaner beat my 5mt on mpg's but all around, my 5mt's numbers are reliably easy to reach anywhere.
It does suffer on hills too, but the A/C is the biggest mpg-killer on these cars I believe.
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:26 PM   #555
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the A/C is the biggest mpg-killer on these cars I believe.
Totally fully agreed, and it's unfortunate that there's no way to disable air conditioning while using the defrost vent setting. Older generation Imprezas were able to disable the air conditioning while running air through the defrost vents. Why did they have to remove that feature?
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:34 PM   #556
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Idk, but the a/c saps away hp and mpg's like a pair of fat chicks riding in the back!
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Idk, but the a/c saps away hp and mpg's like a pair of fat chicks riding in the back!
Amen to that- and unfortunately even with the Ac on in this heat you still feel like your squished between two fat chicks. It's just not cool at all ;-)
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Totally fully agreed, and it's unfortunate that there's no way to disable air conditioning while using the defrost vent setting. Older generation Imprezas were able to disable the air conditioning while running air through the defrost vents. Why did they have to remove that feature?
Because too many morons do not know that the A/C not only cools air but also dehumidifies it, making it possible to defog the windows quicker. It is a safety feature. Given most auto manufactures have now automated it, it should not be a surprise that Subaru does it (being one of the more safety conscious manufacturers)
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Idk, but the a/c saps away hp and mpg's like a pair of fat chicks riding in the back!
Double wammy... no hp and the A/C in my car sucks compared to other cars I have owned, oh Subaru
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Because too many morons do not know that the A/C not only cools air but also dehumidifies it, making it possible to defog the windows quicker. It is a safety feature. Given most auto manufactures have now automated it, it should not be a surprise that Subaru does it (being one of the more safety conscious manufacturers)
Sometimes those "morons" know that, but they just want regular air blowing through the defroster vents. Like for example, I want air blowing to my windshield not because I want to clear any condensation, but because I want to keep air flowing through the vents, but not at my feet or out the dashboard vents (which are usually aimed at the occupants).

They had the ability to disable it previously. Recent STi (and presumably WRX) models still have the disable ability available. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...83&postcount=4
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:31 PM   #561
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Sometimes those "morons" know that, but they just want regular air blowing through the defroster vents. Like for example, I want air blowing to my windshield not because I want to clear any condensation, but because I want to keep air flowing through the vents, but not at my feet or out the dashboard vents (which are usually aimed at the occupants).

They had the ability to disable it previously. Recent STi (and presumably WRX) models still have the disable ability available. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...83&postcount=4
i like the way my old Honda handled it: when you hit the defrost, it would automatically turn on the A/C, but for that single usage, one could turn off the A/C.
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:18 AM   #562
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Both of your arguments have become EXACTLY like this:

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LOL. Yep, except one has statistics and personal experience on his side, the other just a collection of anecdotes with zero personal experience.

I'm not sure why he's dishonestly trying to paint a rosy picture of something he knows nothing about and attacking those who don't align with his dogma.
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LOL. Yep, except one has statistics and personal experience on his side, the other just a collection of anecdotes with zero personal experience.

I'm not sure why he's dishonestly trying to paint a rosy picture of something he knows nothing about and attacking those who don't align with his dogma.
honestly, i see where you both are coming from and this debate will never end. yet, i don't think Zeeper is being dishonest here at all.

Steve - you are disappointed in your car. statistically speaking, relative to other cars, including your Corolla, i (and i daresay, most of us), get it. i think even Zeeper gets that.

honestly, if you are that bummed: sell the car. also, while perhaps in greed, i'd gladly take some cash from SOA if they gave me some due to less than stellar fuel economy for my car, i am pretty certain you/we have no case for the reasons Zeeper has posted, his ownership of a 5MT (which i know you take offense with), notwithstanding. unless SOA didn't abide by EPA testing procedures, as much as you are disappointed with the real world performance of the car at the speeds you drive, there is no case here. the car earns 36 MPG HWY following EPA testing procedures.

Moreover, even with Zeeper removed from the discussion, many of us with CVTs are achieving reasonable mileage. yes, i confess: i am "mildly" disappointed in the mileage of my car relative to my experience with my old Honda. yet, with my moderate driving (read 65-70mph), i can rather easily achieve EPA numbers. in fact, the funny thing is this: since i drive city, the thing i'm most concerned about are the city numbers. it is here where i could "complain" about the huge fuel consumption at warm up and how the city numbers are overly optimistics. yet, as it has been proven here, in contrast to your statistics done on the Highway numbers, the city numbers for the Impreza line right up, and even better many other small cars, when using Consumer Reports numbers relative to EPA estimates. (ie, it is not an outlier)

again, if i were as disappointed as you are, i would sell the car and move on. you talk about wasted time driving slow in order to get good mileage. how much time have you and Zeeper wasted going back and forth, here?

then again, perhaps, that's hypocritical: many of us can also be accused of wasting their time reading this forum. for me, just out of curiosity, i look here to see other people's numbers and in some cases to see what is possible via hypermile-ing. from what i can tell: most people are ok, like with me, with the numbers they achieve. finally, i sadly admit that on occasion i read this thread on occasion because perhaps in some silly,sick way, sometime enjoy seeing you guys chase each other around in circles is good entertainment

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many of us can also be accused of wasting there time reading this forum.
Heyyyyy... I resemble that remark.

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I was in this same situation aguing with (self appointed or not) SOA reps...

It really does feel good to get rid of a car you hate. If you can afford it, I'd say just wash your hands of it.
But that isnt the most economically sound thing to do.
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Actually I like the car. Mostly. What gets me is that it's a great car except the fuel economy sucks, and that is something Subaru could fix if they wanted. Unfortunately to fix the real world mpg they would have to probably widen the power band so it got better mpg on various roads at various speeds, but then it would only get maybe 34 mpg highway on the EPA test. But, at least it would get mpg that is more comparable to those rated at 34 mpg, rather than just 30 mpg. As I've suggested before, maybe Subaru could offer a "mountain tune" remap or something along that line. It would certainly make many people that don't drive in those flatland states at relatively slow speeds more happy...
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Actually I like the car. Mostly. What gets me is that it's a great car except the fuel economy sucks, and that is something Subaru could fix if they wanted. Unfortunately to fix the real world mpg they would have to probably widen the power band so it got better mpg on various roads at various speeds, but then it would only get maybe 34 mpg highway on the EPA test. But, at least it would get mpg that is more comparable to those rated at 34 mpg, rather than just 30 mpg. As I've suggested before, maybe Subaru could offer a "mountain tune" remap or something along that line. It would certainly make many people that don't drive in those flatland states at relatively slow speeds more happy...
I agree, a remap would and could do worlds to improve it across the board. I would go further and say they screwed up reducing displacement and removing turbo. Several manufacturers are reaching mpg's using turbos mated with a decent displacement. They can keep the 2.0l and add a turbo to make up for the lack of power and ease the load across the board. It doesn't need to be a WRX turbo or tune. Just more than what it is. Then I think more people would be pleased with the car, and more would also buy it. They can work the cvt issue out using a turbo, that's just an excuse. They use cvt on more powerful spec'd set ups now
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Actually I like the car. Mostly. What gets me is that it's a great car except the fuel economy sucks, and that is something Subaru could fix if they wanted. Unfortunately to fix the real world mpg they would have to probably widen the power band so it got better mpg on various roads at various speeds, but then it would only get maybe 34 mpg highway on the EPA test. But, at least it would get mpg that is more comparable to those rated at 34 mpg, rather than just 30 mpg. As I've suggested before, maybe Subaru could offer a "mountain tune" remap or something along that line. It would certainly make many people that don't drive in those flatland states at relatively slow speeds more happy...
Why wouldn't a manufacture like Subaru retune all their cars to please you, or offer custom tuning, even cheaper LOL

It is such a reasonable expectation you have from an entry level Subaru.

I suppose the many drivers who do get the EPA numbers would be happy getting worse mpg's so that your high speed, mountain drives, will yield you slightly better mpg's. And Subaru would not mind losing more sales by offering a car that gets fewer mpg's relative to its competitors, most or many of which would inevitably fail to meet your standards as well (EPA HWY mpg's delivered at 75+mph in mountainous driving).

I think you can do better, start your own auto company and make a dream car that meets your very high expectations...

Good luck with that, it worked for the Tesla guy!

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I agree, a remap would and could do worlds to improve it across the board. I would go further and say they screwed up reducing displacement and removing turbo. Several manufacturers are reaching mpg's using turbos mated with a decent displacement. They can keep the 2.0l and add a turbo to make up for the lack of power and ease the load across the board. It doesn't need to be a WRX turbo or tune. Just more than what it is. Then I think more people would be pleased with the car, and more would also buy it. They can work the cvt issue out using a turbo, that's just an excuse. They use cvt on more powerful spec'd set ups now
Sure, they could add a turbo, but that would increase the cost relative to the offerings by mazda, vw, etc.

They could also offer a larger engine, that would weigh more, cost more, and use more gas. The car has a 2 liter non-turbo. That is not changing anytime soon.

My guess -- the next version will be 2 liters with direct injection (which I think they are getting through the relationship with Toyota, and is already used in the BRZ).

The impreza is an entry level car, I doubt a turbo is on its way, ever.

If you want more power, Forester, and if that is not enough, WRX. They do sell other cars that offer what people seem to want out of their impreza.
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I'm building a fleet of the sport premium imprezas for a business. They can haul almost as much as a small van, all we need anyway, awd, and roof rack perfect for little giant ladder. It's the perfect vehicle for us. I didn't intend to like it as well as I have, so I kept the first one for me to drive personally to run about. I'm not looking for a van, SUV, or a truck. I wanted all 3, but with good milage and dependability. I felt this impreza was almost the epitome of form follows function. If a vehicle is down it costs money having a guy sitting, So I wanted reliability.

This isn't the first year of the imprezas, I'm sure its not the cheapest msrp impreza, but this new generation is the smallest displacement impreza that I'm aware of. I'm new to keeping up in Subaru so don't quote me on that. I just see everyone shrinking displacements to increase mpg when I get as good or better mpg with an over 400 HP v8 on the hwy. I know cost difference, but take stevehm's example ( God Forbid me speaking of it) of his old corolla getting great mpg, but I'm betting the 2013 version of the same car isn't as good as his older one is. I mean, how many hydrocarbons are reduced on the new one vs the old one after you factor in worse mpg's. I think they sacrifice trying to improve. I just think there is room to readjust on the new impreza. Turbo, mapping, VVT, DPI, pick your poison. I'm sure it'll happen, if your not improving your going backwards.
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i like the way my old Honda handled it: when you hit the defrost, it would automatically turn on the A/C, but for that single usage, one could turn off the A/C.
I liked it better the way my old Integra handled it - running air to the defrost vent didn't trigger the air conditioning. If I wanted to clear condensation, or if I felt like running air conditioning, I knew damn well where the a/c button was, and I had no hesitations in using it.
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honestly, i see where you both are coming from and this debate will never end. yet, i don't think Zeeper is being dishonest here at all.

Steve - you are disappointed in your car. statistically speaking, relative to other cars, including your Corolla, i (and i daresay, most of us), get it. i think even Zeeper gets that.

honestly, if you are that bummed: sell the car. also, while perhaps in greed, i'd gladly take some cash from SOA if they gave me some due to less than stellar fuel economy for my car, i am pretty certain you/we have no case for the reasons Zeeper has posted, his ownership of a 5MT (which i know you take offense with), notwithstanding. unless SOA didn't abide by EPA testing procedures, as much as you are disappointed with the real world performance of the car at the speeds you drive, there is no case here. the car earns 36 MPG HWY following EPA testing procedures.

Moreover, even with Zeeper removed from the discussion, many of us with CVTs are achieving reasonable mileage. yes, i confess: i am "mildly" disappointed in the mileage of my car relative to my experience with my old Honda. yet, with my moderate driving (read 65-70mph), i can rather easily achieve EPA numbers. in fact, the funny thing is this: since i drive city, the thing i'm most concerned about are the city numbers. it is here where i could "complain" about the huge fuel consumption at warm up and how the city numbers are overly optimistics. yet, as it has been proven here, in contrast to your statistics done on the Highway numbers, the city numbers for the Impreza line right up, and even better many other small cars, when using Consumer Reports numbers relative to EPA estimates. (ie, it is not an outlier)

again, if i were as disappointed as you are, i would sell the car and move on. you talk about wasted time driving slow in order to get good mileage. how much time have you and Zeeper wasted going back and forth, here?

then again, perhaps, that's hypocritical: many of us can also be accused of wasting their time reading this forum. for me, just out of curiosity, i look here to see other people's numbers and in some cases to see what is possible via hypermile-ing. from what i can tell: most people are ok, like with me, with the numbers they achieve. finally, i sadly admit that on occasion i read this thread on occasion because perhaps in some silly,sick way, sometime enjoy seeing you guys chase each other around in circles is good entertainment
This guy gets an upvote!

I see it from both sides because I have been on both sides. I have gotten 40+ mpg going 55-60 mph of long road trips. And I live in the city that I used to have to drive about 2-3 miles a day to and from work in stop and go traffic, which yielded 21ish mpg. I'm pretty sure I posted a pic of the 21 but not the 40. I am apart of fuelly.com and looking at the numbers from previous generations and compared to our generations, I also took into account that some of the previous years had WRX/STi models. I recalculated it for only the non-turbo based on the pictures. It turns out that they got about 23.4666 mpg and we have about 27.8-9ish. So did Subaru improve their cars? Statistically? Yea, but it is not the 38% they claim it to be? In real world driving it is more like 18.2%. I would be upset too about the lies. But, is it lies? Not really. Because these "tests" were conducted under controlled situations, they simply posted the results. It's like testing drugs in a pharmaceutical lab. The drug can be the perfect drug tested in the lab, but given to the population and "I am Legend" could be the outcome.

It is one of those things that I just had to accept. It "could" get great mpg, but realistically, it's not going to happen unless I have to make myself and put in the great conscious effort. Some people will and get the EPA mpg and some people won't and won't get it. It's unfortunate but it is what it is.
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I dont think a brand new corolla will match an older one in fuel efficiency...
The yaris is only rated at 33hwy. Part of why 30+mpg's with my Impreza was fine with me.
Ever since the 90's, "economy" cars have gotten more and more bloated, and less fun to drive imo.
My 91 crx got 45mpg, to get that these days you have to drive a tampon on wheels with a trunk full of batteries. Wonder how much pollution is produced from smelting all the lead for those batteries...
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Last tank was 7.8l/100km on 650ish km. All city, temps mid 20s to the last week then 37c all week. Ran the ac maybe twice. It comes to 30.155mpg over 403 miles. Tires are stock. Base model. Pressure is stock 33 front 32 rear. Use cruise almost all of my drives when I can.
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I dont think a brand new corolla will match an older one in fuel efficiency...
The yaris is only rated at 33hwy. Part of why 30+mpg's with my Impreza was fine with me.
Ever since the 90's, "economy" cars have gotten more and more bloated, and less fun to drive imo.
My 91 crx got 45mpg, to get that these days you have to drive a tampon on wheels with a trunk full of batteries. Wonder how much pollution is produced from smelting all the lead for those batteries...
Exactly where I'm coming from. Thank you! Except I never had a crx, had MR2 : ( always wanted the crx just never was able to buy one
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