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Old 03-16-2013, 07:02 PM   #1
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Default Help me decide...Focus ST or WRX wagon?

So Im at odds...first time I'm buying a performance oriented car (got the bug playing forza 4 with my bf) and I'm having trouble deciding. I like both cars but there's a lot of pros and cons I can think of with either. Here's what I have so far:

Focus ST

Pros:
cheaper base price
grippy
subtle styling (won't attract police attention)
good mpg
decent cargo space
good road test reviews
low insurance rates
unique

Cons:
reliability? (friends focus was really reliable but this is a different animal)
resale value
not AWD
slower
torque steer
kinda ulgy front (looks like a catfish)
not a lot of aftermarket parts (exhaust, strut brace, and tuner is all I've seen)
very small community of people online who know how to fix things (important to my bf)


WRX:

Pros:
It's been around for a long time (reliable)
lots of aftermarket things you can do
AWD
nice styling
quick 0-60
lots of online resources to fix/modify

Cons:
getts attention (cops)
lots of people have one
mpg not as good
AWD expensive to fix (or so I've been told)
higher insurance (currently pay $62/mo full coverage on my 04' Jetta 1.8t)


Anything else Im missing? Thanks in advance!

Me
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:07 PM   #2
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You should get a Jetta so you dont have to change your username.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:09 PM   #3
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Go test drive both. Decide on your own.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:13 PM   #4
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I would try and find a little more un-biased source of info on this. What year Wagon? I hardly think you need to worry about the police in either.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:14 PM   #5
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I would try and find a little more un-biased source of info on this. What year Wagon? I hardly think you need to worry about the police in either.
Maybe the ST forums will be less biased.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:22 PM   #6
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st's are nice. and you wont have to buy premium gas right?
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:23 PM   #7
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looked into the st's because I heard good things about them. the only thing that turned me away and you'll know this very well is they have 19 lbs of boost stock, with an "overboost" mode that goes up to 21 lbs the first 15 seconds your have it floored. The turbo is has stock is a ko3 which to me is a very small turbo to be reliably running that much boost constantly for a long time. just my opinion, other than that I heard great things looking into the focus's
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:29 PM   #8
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The ST is cheaper but you get what you pay for. insurance wont be off the charts for a WRX. The WRX is much more roomier and has plenty of cargo space. The ST is a great car but in my opinion the WRX is a better performance car all around. Im a tech at Ford and we get ST's here and there. Their not to bad but honestly you would have to drive both of them to make your decision. if you want a car to mod and all that the REX is the choice
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:31 PM   #9
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Every ST Ive seen at the dealers around here have been +/-$30k.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:39 PM   #10
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You identified yourself as a girl, and then you posted a picture of yourself without even being asked, which shows that you know internet etiquette and procedure very well. Also, you're very pretty. I will buy you whatever car you want.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:42 PM   #11
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Also, you're very pretty. I will buy you whatever car you want.
You dirty, rotten, cheating whore!
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:43 PM   #12
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buy a cabriolet
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:53 PM   #13
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Miss, the WRX doesn't attract attention unless you have a massive rear wing on yours and an obnoxious exhaust. I've only been pulled over ONCE in my hatchback because I had a fartcan exhaust on it. If you need AWD, by all means, get the WRX. If you need space, WRX once again.

It comes down to this ma'm :

Do you want a Focus ST or do you want a WRX Wagon / Hatchback?

If you want to mod your car, I'd go with the WRX since there's a ****load of things you can do to it. If you want a WRX and don't want attention from Johnny Law... it's pretty simple if you follow these rules :

1 - No Potato Cannon Exhausts
2 - No glass-shattering loud exhausts
3 - No driving like a dumb ass
4 - No "ZOMG I'm a Street racer JDM 4 Lyfe HellaFlush HellaSwagged" stickers ( Only stickers I have on mine are a NASIOC.Com and Tri-State Nasioc sticker...very small too. Oh and I have a pedobear in my driver-side vent thing on my front bumper. )
5 - Don't tint your windows so dark that it's illegal


Pretty much basic rules for ANY kind of car. In my opinion at least... Good luck car shopping and you're very beautiful ^_^
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:54 PM   #14
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Wait, a girl posted on here for advice, and even posted a picture and we didn't get leg humpers?
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:55 PM   #15
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Wait, a girl posted on here for advice, and even posted a picture and we didn't get leg humpers?
We're all still ascared from when Ron slapped me from orbit last time.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:58 PM   #16
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Wait, a girl posted on here for advice, and even posted a picture and we didn't get leg humpers?
I resent that. I am a leg humper, but just because I'm a classy leg humper with panache, people don't take me seriously.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:08 PM   #17
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Thanks for the opinions (and flattery) so far!

Would never buy what's on the lot from a dealer (bf taught me that). He said he's had friends that were salesmen and that they thrash pretty much any fun car they can get their hands on...I guess the first 500mi or so are the most important for breaking in the engine so that would be a bad thing.

The reason I mentioned WRX = Police is that half the time I see someone pulled over around my area they are in one. Now granted the driver might have a loud exhaust and drive like an idiot, but I have to imagine 5-0 tends to notice what they pull over often...like when I first saw a Nissan Leaf and thought "cool! electric car!" Now I can't help but see them everywhere.

I didn't know that the turbo on an ST is a K03, that's what I have in my Jetta!

I read somewhere that it depends on the day of the week your car is built in terms of how reliable it will be...is there any truth to that?
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:12 PM   #18
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You think they trash cars that are on the lot but not special ordered cars? You know you don't get to pick up a car you ordered at the factory, right? Between the factory and when you get it, even if you order a car without a VIN, before it reaches you at least 10 people will have driven it.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:20 PM   #19
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Well I know they have to move them in order to transport them, like on trailers and such...but you mean to tell me that there is no way to avoid someone at the dealership messing with it? That is very concerning to me if Im going to by something that is immediately worth thousands less the moment I drive it!
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:27 PM   #20
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The best thing to do is find a highly recommended dealership. You can get opinions from friends and also look for reviews on Google. I think that the chances of you having issues with your car being beat on before you get it will be much reduced if you find a well-respected dealer. Now, as far as what vision.dynamix said about the other intermediate stops between the factory and the dealer...I suppose there's not really any control you have over who touches your car and how careful they are with it.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:19 PM   #21
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I just bought the 2013 wrx and love it, I bought it new so I knew what I was getting. This is my second Subaru and would highly recommend them, the wrx is a blast. I have been stopped once by police for rolling through stop sign I am a female and 47, I call it my mid life crises car!! I am biased but you can't beat a Subaru, just a great car all around.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:30 PM   #22
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wrx will prob be cheaper. The base is mid to low 20's. The ST will prob have better fit and finish to the interior... Very hard plastics and creaks in the wrx. But like someone above said go test drive both and see what you like better.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:36 PM   #23
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You think they trash cars that are on the lot but not special ordered cars? You know you don't get to pick up a car you ordered at the factory, right? Between the factory and when you get it, even if you order a car without a VIN, before it reaches you at least 10 people will have driven it.
I agree, before you get your car someone (or multiple people) have driven it.

However, once you drive one a car several times a day how exciting do you think it is? If you push one to the max the next 50 you drive will be the same. Plus with newer cars it's in the companies best interest to hire someone responsible. If it's a new car, anything that happens to the car that could result in it breaking will cost money in warranty repairs.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:52 PM   #24
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Have you driven the Focus? I'm going to guess no. Drive one. After you do, if you don't wonder how you ended up in a rental car, I guess I just don't know.

A WRX will seem like a tin can compared to any German car.

Listen less to people who tell you ridiculous stories about what salespeople do.

A disadvantage of a WRX is that you don't get to see those nice service writers all the time like you do with any VW.

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Old 03-16-2013, 11:22 PM   #25
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OP, where are you located? I am surprised about the comment about WRX being common. In MA where Subarus sell quite well, there actually aren't that many WRXs on the road. I don't see them all the time, especially GRs.

As far as being a cop magnet, it's not, especially the hatch. If its quiet, they fly under the radar. You wanna see a cop magnet? Try redline red 350Z. Drove that for 4 years. Now that gets attention. My hatch STI gets nowhere near that kind of attention.

Subaru will give you better resale and probably better reliability. Very utilitarian. Ford is more up to date on electronics and creature comforts. What do you value more?

Lastly, what were you cooking in that pic? Looks like white rice, green beens and fried sausage. Yum.
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