Miata needs motor; wwjd

tora · 12-06-2010, 05:31 PM

So, engine plans are starting to be developed as everything else is pretty much completed on the Miata. Now, I most likely won't take anyone's advice but I am just looking at what Jesus, or you fellows would do. Budget not important so the choices are as follows:

1. ITB's - Maruha...advantage local guy who does great work, keeps weight light and easy to keep cool and sounds rad...great throttle response.

2. Turbo Kit - good cheap power...

3. supercharger - good power increase...nice whistle etc

4. LS3 Conversion - brah brah brah brah....out of a miata....200 lbs heavier than other options...car currently weighs 2000lbs.

ITB, Turbo and Supercharger would all be with a built 1.8L motor.

Discuss...diss and ...

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ShadowDancer · 12-06-2010, 05:37 PM

ttiwwop

ahaha
on a serious note: that vid on youtube showing the maruha miata keeping up with a nsx is sick. so id definitely go in that direction since its local as well. and as you said budget is not important.

RE3Rotor · 12-06-2010, 05:38 PM

S2000 engine swap? http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rd...067623918.html

ShadowDancer · 12-06-2010, 05:39 PM

^ has that been done before? link?

fukamoto · 12-06-2010, 05:42 PM

For #1, did you talk to Chikara Motors? From my horrible memory, they are the Maruha guys locally. Plus, they did great work with my S/C.

For #2, are you going custom or with a pre-kit such as Flyin Miata? I never drove one but I did quite a bit of reading on it and should be good, especially on the 1.8. For what I remember, the GT2554R can be used on the FM turbo kit which makes it fun.

For #3, that's what I did with a 1.8L. I got a BRP MP62 and it was definitely fun. I can't even count with two hands the number of times I accidentally loss control of the back-end...it was a terrifying but fun ride.

For #4, I think the biggest issue is weight distribution being affected.

I'd go with turbo or S/C on the Miata because they are fun and can be sourced at a a VERY reasonable price. The Chikara guys, from when I had my Miata, I believe they had a guy running ITB's. But $/hp ratio wise...I'd go T or S/C. There is a wealth of information though on the intraweb about these options.

RE3Rotor · 12-06-2010, 05:44 PM

I am not aware of whether or not this has done before. He said budget is not important so maybe he can be the first? The same has been done on a AE86 so I can't think of why it can't be done on a miata.

Mazda has a history of taking it from other manufacturers when it comes to engine...

Edit: Here, someone has done it. http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=239739

Wrgb · 12-06-2010, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE3Rotor

S2000 engine swap? http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rd...067623918.html

Yup it has been done:

A) http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-media/s2000-motor-miata-49825/

B) http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=239739

C) http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=417646

tora · 12-06-2010, 05:48 PM

1. Yes, Ovean has already done a lot of work on the car and would do options 1-3.

2. I would take Ocean's advice on which kit to use, or if we build one.

3. Agree although the actual weight gain on my car would be about 140lbs in the front and 70 in the rear....but the front hasn't really been lightened whereas the rear has.

tora · 12-06-2010, 05:52 PM

When I said budget isn't important I just meant that I can do all four options within my budget so you don't need to ask...and I am only interested in those four options. I am leaning between 1 and 4 which are kind of opposite sides of the spectrum...just want to see what y'all would do. Turbo and supercharger still very possible but I like 1 and 4 the best.

slowguy · 12-06-2010, 06:06 PM

you'll enjoy going ITBs.. i wouldnt bother with a supercharger, turbo kit, or the LS swap. just personal preference with no other reason than that.

i've done a lapping day w/ the blue miata.. sounds and goes like stink!

tora · 12-06-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowguy

you'll enjoy going ITBs.. i wouldnt bother with a supercharger, turbo kit, or the LS swap. just personal preference with no other reason than that.

i've done a lapping day w/ the blue miata.. sounds and goes like stink!

Exactly the type of response I'm looking for, thanks. Primary duty for this car will be track days with the odd fair weather cruise. Budget for the ITB's is far shipper and I'd be happy giving Ocean the biz.

Splinter · 12-06-2010, 08:45 PM

Personally I'd throw in the LS3 and 50lbs of lead on the bottom of the trunk.

007WRX · 12-06-2010, 09:07 PM

s14/15 sr20. Aluminum block, huge potential, fast.

tora · 12-06-2010, 09:07 PM

I'd just stick my dog back there in that case...I'm not overly worried about the weight as I still think it would be gobs of fun to drive and the big honkin' wing I'm going to have in the back will make up for it....or I'll toss my dog in the trunk.

007WRX · 12-06-2010, 09:09 PM

Turbo then... The white one is:

pacific grand prix drift invite #2 on Vimeo

semaj · 12-06-2010, 09:20 PM

I'd go ITBs just for the sound.

/thread

slowguy · 12-06-2010, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tora

Exactly the type of response I'm looking for, thanks. Primary duty for this car will be track days with the odd fair weather cruise. Budget for the ITB's is far shipper and I'd be happy giving Ocean the biz.

You should see Ken's car in action too. Just as awesome.

FunkMasta · 12-06-2010, 09:23 PM

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007WRX · 12-06-2010, 09:25 PM

This thread is so disappointing.

tora · 12-06-2010, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowguy

You should see Ken's car in action too. Just as awesome.

I've seen it but not at the track, we were going to do a track day in Seattle last year but everyone bailed as the weather forecast was terrible. I think I will most likely go ITB and maybe buy a second Miata and LS3 it down the road.

tora · 12-06-2010, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007WRX

This thread is so disappointing.

Due to the lame drifting vid and suggestions that had nothing to do with the four options I am deciding between?

slowguy · 12-06-2010, 09:34 PM

tora, not sure if you've seen this vid. sorry if you have-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S60byaInjcg

me following damon. dont mind my slow exit out of T8

tora · 12-06-2010, 09:40 PM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ta+tora&page=9

For pics of the car.

Yes, slow, I had seen that one. I really like Damon's car but there is this gut feeling I get when I ponder having a big fat LS3 burbling under the hood. Long term and track day fun I think the ITB's will get me, and being able to get the work done locally by a good guy who's work I have seen in person.

slowguy · 12-06-2010, 09:42 PM

hah. i knew it. sorry. i try not to post my crap on here

slowguy · 12-06-2010, 09:48 PM

i usually go with my gut feeling to be honest.. hahaha.. i hate regrets.

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12-06-2010, 05:31 PM	#1
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	Miata needs motor; wwjd So, engine plans are starting to be developed as everything else is pretty much completed on the Miata. Now, I most likely won't take anyone's advice but I am just looking at what Jesus, or you fellows would do. Budget not important so the choices are as follows: 1. ITB's - Maruha...advantage local guy who does great work, keeps weight light and easy to keep cool and sounds rad...great throttle response. 2. Turbo Kit - good cheap power... 3. supercharger - good power increase...nice whistle etc 4. LS3 Conversion - brah brah brah brah....out of a miata....200 lbs heavier than other options...car currently weighs 2000lbs. ITB, Turbo and Supercharger would all be with a built 1.8L motor. Discuss...diss and ... * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-06-2010, 05:37 PM	#2
ShadowDancer Scooby Specialist Member#: 57441 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Canada Vehicle: 07 STI CGM	ttiwwop ahaha on a serious note: that vid on youtube showing the maruha miata keeping up with a nsx is sick. so id definitely go in that direction since its local as well. and as you said budget is not important.

12-06-2010, 05:38 PM	#3
RE3Rotor Scooby Specialist Member#: 162465 Join Date: Oct 2007 Chapter/Region: VIC Vehicle: 2004 Forester XT Cayenne Red	S2000 engine swap? http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rd...067623918.html

12-06-2010, 05:39 PM	#4
ShadowDancer Scooby Specialist Member#: 57441 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Canada Vehicle: 07 STI CGM	^ has that been done before? link?

12-06-2010, 05:42 PM	#5
fukamoto Scooby Guru Member#: 13339 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2013 BRZ White	For #1, did you talk to Chikara Motors? From my horrible memory, they are the Maruha guys locally. Plus, they did great work with my S/C. For #2, are you going custom or with a pre-kit such as Flyin Miata? I never drove one but I did quite a bit of reading on it and should be good, especially on the 1.8. For what I remember, the GT2554R can be used on the FM turbo kit which makes it fun. For #3, that's what I did with a 1.8L. I got a BRP MP62 and it was definitely fun. I can't even count with two hands the number of times I accidentally loss control of the back-end...it was a terrifying but fun ride. For #4, I think the biggest issue is weight distribution being affected. I'd go with turbo or S/C on the Miata because they are fun and can be sourced at a a VERY reasonable price. The Chikara guys, from when I had my Miata, I believe they had a guy running ITB's. But $/hp ratio wise...I'd go T or S/C. There is a wealth of information though on the intraweb about these options.

12-06-2010, 05:44 PM	#6
RE3Rotor Scooby Specialist Member#: 162465 Join Date: Oct 2007 Chapter/Region: VIC Vehicle: 2004 Forester XT Cayenne Red	I am not aware of whether or not this has done before. He said budget is not important so maybe he can be the first? The same has been done on a AE86 so I can't think of why it can't be done on a miata. Mazda has a history of taking it from other manufacturers when it comes to engine... Edit: Here, someone has done it. http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=239739

12-06-2010, 05:48 PM	#8
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	1. Yes, Ovean has already done a lot of work on the car and would do options 1-3. 2. I would take Ocean's advice on which kit to use, or if we build one. 3. Agree although the actual weight gain on my car would be about 140lbs in the front and 70 in the rear....but the front hasn't really been lightened whereas the rear has.

12-06-2010, 05:52 PM	#9
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	When I said budget isn't important I just meant that I can do all four options within my budget so you don't need to ask...and I am only interested in those four options. I am leaning between 1 and 4 which are kind of opposite sides of the spectrum...just want to see what y'all would do. Turbo and supercharger still very possible but I like 1 and 4 the best.

12-06-2010, 06:06 PM	#10
slowguy Scooby Specialist Member#: 4326 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 2010 turdle	you'll enjoy going ITBs.. i wouldnt bother with a supercharger, turbo kit, or the LS swap. just personal preference with no other reason than that. i've done a lapping day w/ the blue miata.. sounds and goes like stink!

12-06-2010, 08:45 PM	#12
Splinter Scooby Guru Member#: 106510 Join Date: Feb 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Victoria, BC Vehicle: 98 Widebody 2.2 Smooth Safety Blue	Personally I'd throw in the LS3 and 50lbs of lead on the bottom of the trunk.

12-06-2010, 09:07 PM	#13
007WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 125884 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Kelowna Vehicle: 06 Evo IX MR Black 76 Datsun ZZZZZZZ	s14/15 sr20. Aluminum block, huge potential, fast.

12-06-2010, 09:20 PM	#16
semaj Moderatour Moderator Member#: 113533 Join Date: Apr 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle: 2013 Leafs Hatewagon	I'd go ITBs just for the sound. /thread

12-06-2010, 09:23 PM	#18
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12-06-2010, 09:25 PM	#19
007WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 125884 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Kelowna Vehicle: 06 Evo IX MR Black 76 Datsun ZZZZZZZ	This thread is so disappointing.

12-06-2010, 09:40 PM	#23
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ta+tora&page=9 For pics of the car. Yes, slow, I had seen that one. I really like Damon's car but there is this gut feeling I get when I ponder having a big fat LS3 burbling under the hood. Long term and track day fun I think the ITB's will get me, and being able to get the work done locally by a good guy who's work I have seen in person.

12-06-2010, 09:42 PM	#24
slowguy Scooby Specialist Member#: 4326 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 2010 turdle	hah. i knew it. sorry. i try not to post my crap on here

12-06-2010, 09:48 PM	#25
slowguy Scooby Specialist Member#: 4326 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 2010 turdle	i usually go with my gut feeling to be honest.. hahaha.. i hate regrets.