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Old 03-17-2013, 02:35 AM   #1
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I'm trying to install Perrin Poly End Links on the FSB of my 2002 WRX, but the poly bushings seem to be too wide to fit into the gap on the FCA's. I've pressed the bushings to make certain they were fully seated in the metal bar, but they are still a solid 1/8th inch too wide.

Has anyone overcome similar experience? I can't believe I'm the first person to try installing this set-up.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:23 AM   #2
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ya got the wrong links...
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:04 PM   #3
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ya got the wrong links...
How would I be able to confirm they are the wrong links?

Streetrays page says the parts I ordered fit my car - as well as dozens of other cars. Any idea when the size changed, because the directions say, "Front Endlink Kit w/ Urethane Bushings for all Impreza/Legacy/Forester".

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Old 03-17-2013, 02:14 PM   #4
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How would I be able to confirm they are the wrong links?
Because they don't fit.

Wagon front links have a narrow side and wide side. The narrow side slides into the clevis on the wagon front arms. The bolt hole is also smaller.

You bought sedan links. You need wagon links.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:30 PM   #5
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perrin needs to fix their ****....this same issue has come up here a couple times in the recent past
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:32 PM   #6
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Because they don't fit.

Wagon front links have a narrow side and wide side. The narrow side slides into the clevis on the wagon front arms. The bolt hole is also smaller.

You bought sedan links. You need wagon links.
Perrin only lists 1 part number for Front End Links. Their instructions include both Sedan and Wagon fitment in the same part.

They instruct you to drill the holes in the control arm out to 3/8" to fit the new hardware, also.
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:02 PM   #7
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Because they don't fit.
Wagon front links have a narrow side and wide side. The narrow side slides into the clevis on the wagon front arms. The bolt hole is also smaller.
You bought sedan links. You need wagon links.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but that's not what Perrin's instructions and fitment say. Fits all Imprezas would seem to imply that Perrin doesn't offer sedan links versus wagon links.

I have a call in to Perrin, so we'll see what they do to make it right. I really hope they don't leave me to scrap $200 worth of their junk, and comment about it.
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:10 PM   #8
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I'm not saying you are wrong, but that's not what Perrin's instructions and fitment say. Fits all Imprezas would seem to imply that Perrin doesn't offer sedan links versus wagon links.

I have a call in to Perrin, so we'll see what they do to make it right. I really hope they don't leave me to scrap $200 worth of their junk, and comment about it.

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if somebody from TiC posts something like this.....LISTEN to them.

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i will reiterate....you got the wrong links.

get your $$$ back and buy the RIGHT links
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:22 AM   #9
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if somebody from TiC posts something like this.....LISTEN to them. THEY are experts in all of this....
i will reiterate....you got the wrong links. get your $$$ back and buy the RIGHT links
I am listening to them now as I have been for the past couple months in working through all the details of a big rebuild on our bugeye.

As a vendor though, I find it hard to believe that TiC or any other company is going to give a refund for parts just because a customer says they don't fit WHEN THE COMPANY SAYS THEY DO FIT.

Yes, I do hope to get my $$$ back, and the next time when I buy a product that CLAIMS to be the RIGHT parts for my car, hopefully the company has enough integrity to actually sell me parts that fit.

Do you think that Perrin recognizes TiC as an EXPERT wrt their parts? Maybe I'll just reference this blog, and add that UncleScotty says so too.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:33 PM   #10
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I am listening to them now as I have been for the past couple months in working through all the details of a big rebuild on our bugeye.

As a vendor though, I find it hard to believe that TiC or any other company is going to give a refund for parts just because a customer says they don't fit WHEN THE COMPANY SAYS THEY DO FIT.

Yes, I do hope to get my $$$ back, and the next time when I buy a product that CLAIMS to be the RIGHT parts for my car, hopefully the company has enough integrity to actually sell me parts that fit.

Do you think that Perrin recognizes TiC as an EXPERT wrt their parts? Maybe I'll just reference this blog, and add that UncleScotty says so too.
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once they have your $$$ they wont give it back......and

THIS SAME---EXACT---SPECIFIC.... ISSUE HAS BEEN POSTED HERE BEFORE

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Old 03-18-2013, 07:06 PM   #11
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i guess you could try prying out the tabs and drilling out the arm like perrin says but yea, send them back and get some kartboys as they fit
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:10 PM   #12
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Looking at the pics, it looks like it uses a short crush sleeve. Just shave off a bit of the bushing, a little on each side. Shouldnt take much.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:40 PM   #13
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ANYTHING will fit with enough modification.
1) Dump the Perrin end links, their fitup recommendations for your application are crap.
2) Talk to Turn In Concepts
3) Purchase front end links from TIC that actually FIT from manufacturers such as Kartboy, Whiteline, etc.
4) live and learn
I had many Perrin parts on my 03 WRX sedan and every one of them has since been removed and replaced with quality parts from White-line and other manufacturers.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:44 PM   #14
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There is also a chance someone over tightened that bolt in the past and pinched the tabs a bit. Use an adjustable wrench to spread it open slightly.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:49 PM   #15
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Because they don't fit. Wagon front links have a narrow side and wide side. The narrow side slides into the clevis on the wagon front arms. The bolt hole is also smaller. You bought sedan links. You need wagon links.
I've been asked to get measurements from the car. TiC, or someone else out there with end links (Kartboys?) that fit, do you have widths/thicknesses for the ends of the end links?

The end link brackets on the FCA's of my '02 bugeye have an inside dimension of 1.21", and the Perrin links have an outside dimension of 1.375". That's over an 1/8" too wide, and almost as wide as the outside of the bracket (1.4").

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You need wagon specific links. Simple as that. We make them, Whiteline makes em.

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Old 03-20-2013, 02:58 AM   #17
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That stopped being the question long ago. Really. I'm good with it.
The concern now getting enough info to get my $$$ back.
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I've been asked to get measurements from the car. TiC, or someone else out there with end links (Kartboys?) that fit, do you have widths/thicknesses for the ends of the end links?

The end link brackets on the FCA's of my '02 bugeye have an inside dimension of 1.21", and the Perrin links have an outside dimension of 1.375". That's over an 1/8" too wide, and almost as wide as the outside of the bracket (1.4").
yep, thats about the size difference on the wagon. last time i had them in my hand it was around 1/8" or 1/4" narrower then the top bushing.
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The current comment is that their end links are the "standard" size, and they "never heard that those had fitment issues!"
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The current comment is that their end links are the "standard" size, and they "never heard that those had fitment issues!"
More the reason you need to get under your car with a ruler and camera to prove your point. And those photos can tell em otherwise.
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Top is the SEDAN links. Bottom are WAGON links. notice the different bushings and widths on the wagon ones.

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With the exception of the bolt (to which Perrin's solution is to punch out the control arm), theres no reason you couldnt make the links Wagon Width and use them on a sedan also.

I removed Perrin's Sphericals off a GC and installed OEM links without issue. Perrin's sphericals are speced for both Wagon/GC and GD Sedan in the same part number, which would cause me to assume they did the same thing for their new Poly links.
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Top is the SEDAN links. Bottom are WAGON links. notice the different bushings and widths on the wagon ones.
Believing is done, and sounds like the refund is even arranged, though the cash is still to come. Now on to the more pressing concern of replacement.

There seemed to be lots of comments on a swaybar sticky page about Whiteline's rusting. A really minimal problem on the left coast, but still not something I'm interested in on $$$ upgrades. I do like the Kartboys' really clean, simple lines. A question for tom@kartboy is how often do they need to be regreased?

Alright, so it is a little bit of a loaded question, because I'm kicking between the Kartboys and a set from Hotchkis that have grease ports. I like the idea of being able to service them without needing to remove the link from the car. tom@kartboy, is there a reason you (most others) don't have ports on your links? The Hotchkis are about $140 more expensive, so is it a price point issue? Has anyone had experience with Hotchkis? Doesn't seem too popular around here.

I've replace a few of the OE bushings (FCA, F/RSB, Steering) with poly, so hope I'm not creating a maintenance hassle for myself.
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i can say the only time i have greased my kartboy endlinks is the time i installed them 5 years ago and they dont make noise. i dont think you need the grease ports.
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poly will deform over time. and create gaps for clunking. it happened to my old kartboys.

personally i switched to Ralliteks. im still not happy that the rears have poly.

i like the whiteline adjustable ones, but the adjustment is a weak link, ive seen them break at the threads.

for me, my personal perfect endlink doesnt exist. it would be something like the Kartboy body, with a sealed/greased/booted spherical joint, or ball/socket. but alas, doesnt exist.
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