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Old 03-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #51
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Who among us has worked in IT for any considerable amount of time and NOT made a hilarious dongle joke??
It's pretty much a requirement.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #52
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At my last company there was a course they did on sexual harassment. I was impressed that the presenter made a distinction in that course: making ANY kind of sexual comment or joke anywhere in the company ISN'T sexual harassment. If it's a couple of guys in the break room making a pun about "forking a repo" that's not cause for termination.

We're grown ups. Sometimes we hear bad words or bad jokes. That's okay. We don't fire everyone who says "****." If someone fails to act in a professional manner when required... then the company deals with that person, as they should. But some vaguely sexual pun? That's not insta-termination.
Unless, being a tech company, and seeing this massive Twitter backlash, they think they have no choice. The problem is, outside of Twitter, I bet no one has heard any of the controversy.

Reading this article is the first time I heard of anyone invloved, the companies involved, and the conference. But, I can see how the company, seeing the backlash, thinks that they have to do something to ease the tension.

They just don't realize that because everyone on Twitter is yelling, doesn't mean EVERYONE is.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #53
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It's like the Raiders lost all over again...
I think I'm taking crazy pills.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:17 PM   #54
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I don't think this comment got the attention it deserves, since she is sooo easily offended by dongles, so:
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Why is everyone so goddamn offended these days? Nothing bugs me more than delicate, easily offended people.
Hypocrites do.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:17 PM   #55
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That's not even the issue -- this epidemic of offensensitivity has permeated the entire culture. Men, woman, white, black, gay, straight...everyone has phyllo paper-thick skin these days.
while I agree with your point 100%, there are certain demographics that are prone to this kind of thing a bit more than others.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:18 PM   #56
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"WOMEN ARE THINGS."
- the guy in the blue jacket.

GET HIM!

Hey, when did you guys trade jackets?
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:19 PM   #57
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I would fork her repo.

I really don't even know what that means.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:19 PM   #58
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while I agree with your point 100%, there are certain demographics that are prone to this kind of thing a bit more than others.
Opportunists?
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:19 PM   #59
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:20 PM   #60
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opportunists and overcompensators.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:21 PM   #61
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"The tweet forced their hand"

Ok, it is official. People have given twitter far too much power.
It has nothing to do with the app used to get the message out. It could have been a blog, a mass email, snail mail, or a cubist-style oil paining. She could have done it in the style of "Yea Packets."

The issue is exacerbated because she didn't even provide any context, or accurately relay what was said.
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Not cool. Jokes about forking repo's in a sexual way and "big" dongles. Right behind me
If that's the only thing you read, you have no idea what was said. At that point a lot of people, including the employer, are probably imagining things much worse than what was in all likelihood actually said. Most people are going to assume that she filtered it so that it could be tweeted. No one except she can know if she was ambiguous because it was a lazy tweet or because she wanted to make it seem worse through omission, but that's the natural consequence.

For someone who seems to be so enlightened about the power of words, she sure did use hers frivolously.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:24 PM   #62
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She also got the kick ass mall cop fired. What. A. Bitch.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:24 PM   #63
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What have I learned today: Continue to avoid Twitter.
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I would fork her repo.

I really don't even know what that means.
Neither do I, and it's annoying me every time I see it now.





forking a repo


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Old 03-22-2013, 01:25 PM   #65
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She also got the kick ass mall cop fired. What. A. Bitch.
What??
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:26 PM   #66
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All I know is I got a male dongle that I am ready to insert into her female port
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:27 PM   #67
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She also got the kick ass mall cop fired. What. A. Bitch.
That's racist.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:28 PM   #68
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It has nothing to do with the app used to get the message out. It could have been a blog, a mass email, snail mail, or a cubist-style oil paining. She could have done it in the style of "Yea Packets."

The issue is exacerbated because she didn't even provide any context, or accurately relay what was said.
I think that was a large part of Matt's point.

Twitter by its nature is so short you CAN'T get the whole story. You get a snippet. But it's quick, it gets retweeted, it goes viral faster than most other media.

So yes, companies and people are giving this tiny bit of information far too much power.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:29 PM   #69
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All I know is I got a male dongle that I am ready to insert into her female port
Ewe ess bee!!
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:30 PM   #70
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Of course not, no one should have been fired. But if we are blaming the woman for saying something, then blame the guy too.
I blame the woman for not doing this:

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This is the crux of the matter. Don't we all like to think that if we have a dispute with someone we'd at least have the courtesy, and courage, to talk to them in person about it before taking it public? She could have solved this whole thing with a two-minute private talk.

I've had some fun in the past mocking the misogynists on this board but, in this case, I think the woman in question was unthinking, a little cruel and maybe a bit of a coward.
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That's racist.
What are you, the race police? That's racist.
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What are you, the race police? That's racist.
Is it racist if she didn't get him fired though..?


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I think that was a large part of Matt's point.

Twitter by its nature is so short you CAN'T get the whole story. You get a snippet. But it's quick, it gets retweeted, it goes viral faster than most other media.
So you're saying that you find the idea that women can shorten a thought to 117 characters isn't a reality?

I want this removed.




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Old 03-22-2013, 01:31 PM   #73
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Twitter by its nature is so short you CAN'T get the whole story. You get a snippet. But it's quick, it gets retweeted, it goes viral faster than most other media.
I hashtag every post with #faqurug and have YET to go viral with it.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #74
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they seem a little old to be so entitled and childish...
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #75
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She deserved to get fired.

Great read on her being a twunt:
http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/
wow she freaked out over an XKCD comic?!



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The following year, she took offense to a t shirt created for WordCamp SF, pictured below.



XKCD generously allowed their comic to be used. Instead of contacting Jane Wells , who was in charge of the project and is easily reachable, she made the situation immediately public and rallied her troops.

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I’m disappointed to see the woman in the modified cartoon is portrayed as not understanding what she’s talking about vs the original comic http://xkcd.com/867.

In the original comic, she is presenting at a conference and stating she believes a certain species should be reclassified. In the WordPress one, she is saying something works but has no idea how it does (but it must work because everyone agrees it does).

Did you consider the statements the characters were making and how their gender and power placement before creating this?

The female presenter look like a total ditz. And even if it were true that she was, it’s the responsibility of organizations to ensure positive (or neutral) messages about gender in the workplace are promoted; not ones that reinforce stereotypes.

Had to put my $0.02 in on this one because I’m a long time WordPress user, will be attending Wordcamp SF next week, am a fan of xkcd comics and Randall plus truly enjoyed Randall’s Google+ discussion on women / society’s treatment of women and public gender disclosure https://plus.google.com/111588569124...ts/SeBqgN9Zoiu
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Um, I thought they were both women. Why do you assume the dev track person is male? Why do you assume the dev track person is more knowledgeable? In this cartoon, BOTH sides are saying something intentionally ridiculous, and gender is irrelevant (as they both appear female to me). The fact that you jumped to those conclusions makes me sad for about a hundred reasons, and I hope others will back me on it. For the record, the dev track person has my exact haircut/color now (WC Fayetteville peeps can confirm) and the blogger track person has my exact haircut/color for the previous year (every other WC’s peeps, ditto). And I’m a woman, for anyone that doesn’t know.

The point is that *both* sides are making statements that are heard over and over again at WordCamps and in community discussions. It’s self-mocking, with great love for my community and intended to point out that the self-imposed division between “bloggers” and “developers” is at its root silly.

If anything, by showing that both tracks have women on the dais — and putting them there in the real life conference program — I’m arguably thinking more about gender and power placement here than you are giving me credit for. Way to be supportive.

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