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Old 03-24-2013, 12:56 AM   #1
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Default Article about AWD from a website.

Check this article about AWD and the picture in the article. I noticed most of the time when there's an article about AWD it's mostly subaru on pics.

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-myth...210608212.html
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:40 AM   #2
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And we still have threads of guys that tried driving on their summers.


I have a set of winter tires, they run from Dec-Mar...After this weekend I'm taking them off, I think we're getting one final winter blast tomorrow.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:08 AM   #3
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For those who don't feel like reading the whole article, here are a few quotes to chew on:

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When it comes to handling, all-wheel drive is overrated (not to mention heavy and gas-sucking), especially in foul weather.
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AWD is counter-productive when the roads are slick. At the same time AWD doesn't improve your handling, it does offer an overly optimistic sense of available traction, and it provides the potential to be going so much faster when you need to stop.
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It is true that AWD is excellent at preventing the tail from stepping out under power. But this is not "improving handling." It's really aiding acceleration.
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I'd rather have a Toyota Camry on four new snow tires than the best all-wheel-drive vehicle on all-season tires
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:16 AM   #4
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And we still have threads of guys that tried driving on their summers.


I have a set of winter tires, they run from Dec-Mar...After this weekend I'm taking them off, I think we're getting one final winter blast tomorrow.
i wish i could take mine off by the end of this month, mine are usually on from late October to April, pretty much half the year.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:29 AM   #5
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Its true... Awd doednt handle as well as rwd, awd doesn't help you slow down, awd tends to understeer in the typical car, and is bad for mpg... Is this really news to anyone?
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:31 AM   #6
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Its true... Awd doednt handle as well as rwd, awd doesn't help you slow down, awd tends to understeer in the typical car, and is bad for mpg... Is this really news to anyone?
yes, there are plenty of people who beileve awd makes them invincible.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:35 AM   #7
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For those who don't feel like reading the whole article, here are a few quotes to chew on:
Aww, see. You bursted their little AWD kissy face thread.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:42 AM   #8
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Camry with snow tires over AWD and all-seasons?

How about AWD with snow tires? Pretty sure that takes a poop on both.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:10 AM   #9
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While I can agree tires are probably the single biggest contributor to handling, to me that was more of a whiny rant than an "article"
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:18 AM   #10
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^ This....

Why only have control over 2 tires, when you can have control over all 4 - and have snow tires??

This article seems like it was written by a kid who got a Camry for his birthday instead of the Subaru he wanted....
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #11
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I'd rather have my WRX on Summer ONLY tires than a Camry on winters. In fact, last time we got about 6-8 inches of snow I don't remember seeing a single Camry NOT in a ditch or pulled off the road. Sure I didn't have much traction, but at least what traction I had was at all 4 wheels and not just trying to pull my car through snow WHILE also having to turn.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:42 PM   #12
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I'd rather have my WRX on Summer ONLY tires than a Camry on winters. In fact, last time we got about 6-8 inches of snow I don't remember seeing a single Camry NOT in a ditch or pulled off the road. Sure I didn't have much traction, but at least what traction I had was at all 4 wheels and not just trying to pull my car through snow WHILE also having to turn.


While I do sort of agree, your statement is lacking. You don't know if those camrys had summers on too. You don't know if they know how to drive or not. And I see a lot of people missing the point. The article wasn't about how great camrys w/ snows are, it was about about average AWD is.


I ran all seasons last year and didn't have much problems in the snow at all, but if you take it easy, its fine. I'm due for some new tires soon, and I'm going to be purchasing summers. That will force me to get dedicated snows next year since I've kept putting it off.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:17 PM   #13
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Camry w/winter tires > WRX w/all-seasons > Mustang w/winter tires.

Of course, AWD w/winter tires beats everything.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:53 PM   #14
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You don't know if those camrys had summers on too.
A Camry with summer tires?
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:01 PM   #15
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A Camry with summer tires?
I'm sure some Camry owners like being able to push 0-60 in less than 20 seconds.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:13 PM   #16
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yes, there are plenty of people who beileve awd makes them invincible.
yuup! And a lot of those ppl come from really low end cars and have their WRX/STi as their 1st "sports" car. Too much time dreaming and playing video games.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:19 PM   #17
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This article seems like it was written by a kid who got a Camry for his birthday instead of the Subaru he wanted....
^ this...

awd handles differently than 2wd. thanks captain obvious to the writer. better or worse? personal preference to your driving style. would you prefer it to drive straighter, or do donuts all day? would you prefer to drag or autox? would you prefer a hummer or a corvette? point being, if you want 2wd, dont get 4

it sounds like this kid drives a si or a rwd audi instead of the quattro he shouldve gotten, or better yet a subie.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:19 PM   #18
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To each its own , and see is believing , that's why there are so many different brand of vehicles to chose from.
So they are front ,rear, Awd but if front wheel drive is great why are mostly all military vehicles are AWD or are we just talking about a 2 wheel VS Awd .

Quote 1 ("I'd rather have a Toyota Camry on four new snow tires than the best all-wheel-drive vehicle on all-season tires," said one tester who requested anonymity. )

Why do you think the tester wanted to be anonymity,cause he knows what come next ,where is his data,his videos of his finding.
Also this guy Neil Hannemann


Quote 2 ("In the snow, it is all about the tires," says automotive engineer Neil Hannemann, whose resume includes helping to develop the original Dodge Viper, creating a proof-of-concept vehicle for the original all-wheel-drive Chrysler minivan, and driving ice racers on frozen lakes. Having power to four wheels rather than two sounds like it would help the car handle, which is why you see those ads that infuriate me. But good tires beat AWD.)


Good tires beats a AWD and he works for Dodge ,Chrysler that's NO way true,there are more imported AWD vehicles than Us vehicles ,why do you think its like that.

I want the AWD imports makers to charm in on this.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:29 PM   #19
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this guy who wrote the article is a troll. true troll.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:31 PM   #20
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There are some (many) hills in my town that FWD or RWD cars just cant make it up when it is snow covered even with studded tires. My AWD WRX with snow tires (no studs) goes up them without slipping and sliding, just like its dry pavement.

Article argument is invalid because it does not compare AWD with snow tires to FWD with snow tires.
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:16 AM   #21
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point is it is better to have a Camry with snow tires on than a subaru or AWD car with all seasons on in the snow. What he forgot to add is that it is much better and safer to have a subaru or AWD car with winter tires on compared to a FWD or RWD car with winter tires on in the snow.
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:59 AM   #22
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This article is garbage, comparing apple's to oranges. Two cars, same icy or muddy conditions with same equipment/tires, one rwd and one awd, which performs better. The awd car. It is better. Can a rwd car out perform an awd car when traction isn't an issue sure...does awd pose a drawback due to its weight...sure. no one thinks awd is the immortal unfathomable best type of drivetrain evaaarrrr. But in snow or mud especially....similarly equipped as a 2 wheel driven car...it wins.
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:46 AM   #23
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This article is garbage, comparing apple's to oranges. Two cars, same icy or muddy conditions with same equipment/tires, one rwd and one awd, which performs better. The awd car. It is better. Can a rwd car out perform an awd car when traction isn't an issue sure...does awd pose a drawback due to its weight...sure. no one thinks awd is the immortal unfathomable best type of drivetrain evaaarrrr. But in snow or mud especially....similarly equipped as a 2 wheel driven car...it wins.
My thoughts exactly.

"Oh hey guys, we got a snowy road here. Our AWD car has drag slicks, and our Camry has snow tires .... They camry was better!"

Give me a break. All things equal, the AWD car will have superior traction .. period.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:36 AM   #24
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Like others have pointed out the article is comparing apples to oranges. If they were to prove this theory of theirs they would have test and a control group not just testimonies.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:56 AM   #25
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Having gone through the O'Neil winter driving school, I'd definitely disagree with the author about AWD helping you dodge the squirrel in the snow. Like everyone who owns a WRX or STi, I'd had my share of fun doing Scoobnuts in snowy parking lots and doing 4-wheel burn-outs out of lights on snowy roads. But once I learned a few of the weight transfer tricks and how to properly drive in low-traction conditions, I was flat-out amazed at what an AWD car on snow tires is capable of doing in terms of accident avoidance manuvers. As long as you realize that there's going to be some delay between your steering inputs and the car's reactions, and drive accordingly, you can swerve around obstacles in your AWD car and continue on your way where you definitely would have plowed through them in a FWD or RWD vehicle.

I think his point was that AWD won't make you pull higher lateral G numbers on the skidpad, but that's only a small fraction of "handling".
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