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Old 04-10-2013, 03:08 AM   #51
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Ok you guys missed the point you were trying to make. Stock bottom end with stock reliability.

Thats the point being challenged. Not that you cant make them fast.

Post up a car with double the whp from the factory that went 100k miles.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:41 PM   #52
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Ok you guys missed the point you were trying to make. Stock bottom end with stock reliability.

Thats the point being challenged. Not that you cant make them fast.

Post up a car with double the whp from the factory that went 100k miles.
This isn't a competition.
http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp
Click any name for mod list. 99.9% are stock bottom end. The few that aren't only built for piece of mind. It is known that building the bottom end is the very last thing you'd need to do.

Don't believe it? Look around the site.

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Old 04-10-2013, 09:04 PM   #53
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I didnt have any american muscle but I did own a civic ep3 with a k20a2 for an rsx type s totally stock valve cover was never off with a 30r that made low 400hp. I beat on it all the time which mostly resulted in a ton of tire smoke (fwd lol) and ran it like that for 40,000km with no issues besides normal maintance and a few broken axles.
A good friend also runs a k24a1 totally stock (stock crv motor) at about 380whp with meth and an s/c. Hes at 60,000km on the setup.
I love subarus but hondas k series kick serious ass. And I think thst proves there are some factory n/a engines that can handle double the hp.

You should really consider the suggestion to run an upgraded billet wheel vf 52. Tons of low end torque and quick spool is a blast to drive everyday. You might not hit 350whp without e85 but it will still be a great ride that should last with a good tune.
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:28 PM   #54
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Ok you guys missed the point you were trying to make. Stock bottom end with stock reliability.

Thats the point being challenged. Not that you cant make them fast.

Post up a car with double the whp from the factory that went 100k miles.
My old VW 1.8T. That engine was the last thing you had to worry about. Clutch and tranny goes but you need crazy power before you worry about the engine. Unless you forget to do your timing belt like any other car.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:07 PM   #55
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This isn't a competition.
http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp
Click any name for mod list. 99.9% are stock bottom end. The few that aren't only built for piece of mind. It is known that building the bottom end is the very last thing you'd need to do.

Don't believe it? Look around the site.
You keep posting up invalid links. Your the one with something to prove so prove it. I'm not gonna waste my time going through potentially 100's of threads to find this white unicorn you keep talking about. You made a statement of fact then accused us of being misinformed etc etc. Yet you have yet to give us proof.

This isnt about 1/4 miles times, ridiculous power levels or anything else that keeps getting pointed out. This is about your statement of double the whp(not crank HP) on a stock bottom with stock reliability from an american engine. I'm also not interested in Potentially being able to survive being daily driven but actually proof of being daily driven for 100k at those power levels.

On a side note I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find a Stock bottom end Subaru running over double the WHP and make the same claim about stock reliability.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:13 PM   #56
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You keep posting up invalid links. Your the one with something to prove so prove it. I'm not gonna waste my time going through potentially 100's of threads to find this white unicorn you keep talking about. You made a statement of fact then accused us of being misinformed etc etc. Yet you have yet to give us proof.

This isnt about 1/4 miles times, ridiculous power levels or anything else that keeps getting pointed out. This is about your statement of double the whp(not crank HP) on a stock bottom with stock reliability from an american engine. I'm also not interested in Potentially being able to survive being daily driven but actually proof of being daily driven for 100k at those power levels.

On a side note I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find a Stock bottom end Subaru running over double the WHP and make the same claim about stock reliability.
You consider the srt4 a mitsu?
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:27 PM   #57
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You consider the srt4 a mitsu?
huh?? What does that have to do with the relevance of the discussion?
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:40 PM   #58
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You keep posting up invalid links. Your the one with something to prove so prove it. I'm not gonna waste my time going through potentially 100's of threads to find this white unicorn you keep talking about. You made a statement of fact then accused us of being misinformed etc etc. Yet you have yet to give us proof.

This isnt about 1/4 miles times, ridiculous power levels or anything else that keeps getting pointed out. This is about your statement of double the whp(not crank HP) on a stock bottom with stock reliability from an american engine. I'm also not interested in Potentially being able to survive being daily driven but actually proof of being daily driven for 100k at those power levels.

On a side note I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find a Stock bottom end Subaru running over double the WHP and make the same claim about stock reliability.
You clearly are unable to grasp basic concepts.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:40 PM   #59
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huh?? What does that have to do with the relevance of the discussion?
American car that can double its whp reliably on stock internals. People with issues with those have bad tunes or cranking up the boost without tuning for it.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:42 PM   #60
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American car that can double its whp reliably on stock internals. People with issues with those have bad tunes or cranking up the boost without tuning for it.
He doesn't get it. He never will. Leave him alone.

Dude says he genuinely wants to learn about these cars then goes on to say he doesn't want to read. Wtf?

If somebody tells me something I have a hard time believing, I'll go look for the info myself if I don't understand their simple logic based links. I wouldn't act like an ebitch demanding proof.

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Old 04-10-2013, 11:04 PM   #61
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He doesn't get it. He never will. Leave him alone.

Dude says he genuinely wants to learn about these cars then goes on to say he doesn't want to read. Wtf?

If somebody tells me something I have a hard time believing, I'll go look for the info myself if I don't understand their simple logic based links. I wouldn't act like an ebitch demanding proof.
There you go throwing insults again. You made a statement and expect me to do the research to prove your point. What a joke.

Done with this thread
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:14 PM   #62
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There you go throwing insults again. You made a statement and expect me to do the research to prove your point. What a joke.

Done with this thread
I didn't demand you believe it.So **** with your demands for proof. You couldn't grasp the information I provided.

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Old 04-10-2013, 11:55 PM   #63
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Ok you guys missed the point you were trying to make. Stock bottom end with stock reliability.

Thats the point being challenged. Not that you cant make them fast.

Post up a car with double the whp from the factory that went 100k miles.
My car is at 130k still running like new and has has bout bouble stock power. I know of many people running closer to 400 hp with over 100 k with out issues. The tune and the way you drive the car determines how long it will last and of course maintenance. Id say on average tho that anything over stage 2 you will loose quite a bit of level of reliability.
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:00 AM   #64
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My car is at 130k still running like new and has has bout bouble stock power. I know of many people running closer to 400 hp with over 100 k with out issues.


You have 600chp (500whp) and have ran that setup for over 100k? Apparently you are, in fact, God. Huh, interesting.
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:39 AM   #65
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I hate to start another thread like this and yes, I have searched. I've been a flip flopper with my Subie and keep changing my mind. I'm currently at stage 1... Had big plans for big numbers and got gun shy..... sold everything. Now I'm thinking that I may want to continue and shoot for a 350whp target. Only dynojets around me, so that's the scale we can work on. This may see a few passes down the strip, but itd ultimately be my daily.

Suggest a turbo setup that spools quickly and gets me to 350 without maxing out. I have about 5k to spend on this or possibly a Miata.... And I'm too chubby for a Miata.

I've looked into Perrin rotated kits, but it seems like overkill for such lower goals. Looking to maintain stock clutch, internals, etc. Has to be on 93 octane.

Thoughts? Blouch 20g?
5g's to spend......cool

Stock clutch and internals..........nah, do you really want to trust those pistons and rings?

1.If you are shooting for 350 skip the 20g and look toward HTA Green or FP Red with 8cm hotside for more head room for when you decide that you want more.

2. It ant gonna spool like a td04 or vf52.

3. It ant gonna lag as if you had a 2.0l ej205.....and to me 30r ej205 isn't laggy.

4. Need an upgraded clutch, need forged pistons.....unless you want to do this thing over again down the road or you like replacing stock clutches often

5. For what that Blouch 20g is going to cost, if you take your time you could piece together a rotated setup for a little bit more (USED), with an (NEW) entry level precision 5858, Garrett T series turbo, or Holset.

I am biased, i hate stock location turbos with a passion along with that ****ing turbo inlet
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Woah woah there! Don't go putting this thread back on topic. It might be useful then...
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You have 600chp (500whp) and have ran that setup for over 100k? Apparently you are, in fact, God. Huh, interesting.
A stock sti puts down round 220 whp I ment to say I have 100 hp over stock but know of many people running double the hp over 100k. Like I said tho there is a level of reliability you loose after that 100 hp. From my experience but if one wanted to run 440 hp on a stock block it can be done and it can last with a good tune and someone who takes care of there car. Tq is the killer you can keep the hp up and not have a huge tq spike and keep the care more reliable. I personally wouldn't run that much but I do know of people that have a 450 hp car that are very happy with it and has been holding up just fine.
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A stock sti puts down round 220 whp I ment to say I have 100 hp over stock but know of many people running double the hp over 100k. Like I said tho there is a level of reliability you loose after that 100 hp. From my experience but if one wanted to run 440 hp on a stock block it can be done and it can last with a good tune and someone who takes care of there car. Tq is the killer you can keep the hp up and not have a huge tq spike and keep the care more reliable. I personally wouldn't run that much but I do know of people that have a 450 hp car that are very happy with it and has been holding up just fine.
Lol, prove it. I know of no motors, built or stock, that are running double the factory hp for a 100k. You are running 25% higher than stock. No where near double. Nor is 440chp anywhere near double. Your talking (depending on the dyno) 400-500whp (aka 600chp) for a 100k.
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I hate to chime back in on this lovefest.... I'm pretty sure there are a lot of NA and NB Miatas running twice the factory hp on the stock bottom end. It's a completely different scale when going from 100 to 200whp and 200 to 400whp though...

Ps- you guys are being childish on a thread I created. Stop it.
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Lol, prove it. I know of no motors, built or stock, that are running double the factory hp for a 100k. You are running 25% higher than stock. No where near double. Nor is 440chp anywhere near double. Your talking (depending on the dyno) 400-500whp (aka 600chp) for a 100k.
I'm about double. Stock FXT usually dynos about 180 whp stock, i am at 355 whp with a Dom 1.5. Stock bottom end. Turned 90,000 recently, although most of those mile were at 300 whp, about 20,000 at the higher power level.
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Maybe an upgrade to an STI? Bigger stock turbo?
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I'm about double. Stock FXT usually dynos about 180 whp stock, i am at 355 whp with a Dom 1.5. Stock bottom end. Turned 90,000 recently, although most of those mile were at 300 whp, about 20,000 at the higher power level.
Feel free to chime in again with another 80k on the block.
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Maybe an upgrade to an STI? Bigger stock turbo?
Except it's not bigger.
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Lol, prove it. I know of no motors, built or stock, that are running double the factory hp for a 100k. You are running 25% higher than stock. No where near double. Nor is 440chp anywhere near double. Your talking (depending on the dyno) 400-500whp (aka 600chp) for a 100k.
If a stock sti baselines at 220 then on the same dyno gets 440 is that not double. I'm talking just whp no chp. I'm not gonna go dig up everyone from my local clubs dyno sheets. You can believe me or not but I'm telling you it can be done. I'm not willing to take that risk of running double the factory hp in stock internals but plenty have done it and plenty of them have lasted over 100k
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Feel free to chime in again with another 80k on the block.
block has 90K

has been at 300 whp, or about 1.7 times stock output, from 10K to 70K, 350+ from 70K to 90K+

Had compression tested at 89K, was 145, 146, 143, 142

So not exactly your specific scenario, but pretty good results for significant mileage at significantly higher than stock output, do you not agree?
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