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Old 03-27-2013, 08:14 PM   #26
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OK - so stopped by the dealership on the way home today.

JOKE IS ON ME.

I was told by a technician that the timing belt had indeed jumped off the left bank. LOL, so I'm the one thread out of 900 ("my car died and won't starts" type) that this freak occurrence was actually the cause. He said belt was reattached but engine still wouldn't start the entire left side is off timing, I guess the camshaft isn't turning properly.

I'm told the left side will be completely torn down and put back together tomorrow and if that doesn't do it then it will need to be rebuilt.

He told me, that in 20 years with Subaru as a tech that he's only seen it twice and is always caused by lack of tension or oil.

NICE.

Wonder how trust worthy the engine will be after all that?

The other thing was they kept being so annoying when I asked if this would all be covered under warranty, they were like "we'll see" and "let's see what we find"...I guess they are just trying to cover themselves and not commit to anything?
Haha!! Go figure a timing belt.
Hope everything works out and enjoy the new ride.
If u had said it smelt like burnt rubber I definitely would have leaned towards the timing belt.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:15 PM   #27
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Yea if I bought it in NY, I could just walk in and hand it keys and title back to them within 30 days. NH isn't that simple, I'll need to claim it's a new car "lemon" and have similar issues fixed multiple times.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:15 PM   #28
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if you need it rebuilt....throw in some forged internals
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:24 PM   #29
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If they actually put the belt back on and tried to start it....they are complete and total idiots.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:32 PM   #30
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if you need it rebuilt....throw in some forged internals
Everyone says that,but too bad they usually last less than 50k due to the extra PW clearances needed for the non OEM alloys
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:44 PM   #31
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Everyone says that,but too bad they usually last less than 50k due to the extra PW clearances needed for the non OEM alloys
what do i know...im a noob!
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:13 PM   #32
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yeah i would try your hardest to get that refunded and go buy a new from some other dealership. or see if they can get you a killer deal on a new one to make up for all the bull****. unless it is all covered under warranty, if so then screw it, and keep it.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:26 PM   #33
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If they actually put the belt back on and tried to start it....they are complete and total idiots.
Yea - guess they tried with the belt back on but the cam was spinning at completely the wrong timing and tech said ECU couldn't figure out how to correct it.

I'm hoping its all f'ed and I get a new engine or a rebuild at the least.

If it happens again or I have similar issues, as it is under factory warranty I can claim lemon law and Subaru will have to give me a new STI ;-)
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:38 PM   #34
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Yea - guess they tried with the belt back on but the cam was spinning at completely the wrong timing and tech said ECU couldn't figure out how to correct it.
This sounds like an admission by the tech that he screwed it up even more.

Chances are that the head alone can be pulled and the bent valves changed out if it wasn't too high of a speed when it let go and trash the pistons too.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:45 PM   #35
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This sounds like an admission by the tech that he screwed it up even more.

Chances are that the head alone can be pulled and the bent valves changed out if it wasn't too high of a speed when it let go and trash the pistons too.
The heads r designed so that if the belt slips the valves will close so they don't hit the pistons but not sure when the belt slips right off.
Thus maybe explains why the mechanic put the belt back on and tried to start it.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:47 PM   #36
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Yea if it spun the belt the outcome is grim for the valves and pistons on that side. They should have reset the ecu, as long as timing was correct the ecu would have been in open loop learning mode. This would have no effect on the ecu not knowing where the cam was. It would automaticly assume the timing is correct or close enough to compensate by advancing or retarding the timing.

Bottem line is if it truely jumped a tooth they shount have attempted to reset the timing belt with out first pulling the head and inspecting for damage. We're off too a bad start here. I don't believe there interferance motors but when you jump a tooth anything is possible.

Lemon law will only happen if the same problem happens three times. This is a federal law and this doesn't vary from state to state. But it might if its a used car, and not in a positive way for you. Id call SOA first thing and start a claim, maybe even have it towed to a more reputable dealer, these guys for lack of a better term are "doing it wrong"

Goodluck bro
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:48 PM   #37
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damn... sucks to be in your shoes. I say stick a fork in it its done.... the valves are bent. sounds like the po had some "fun" in it. At 25k miles the timing belt should not skip. Also if they do any engine work ask them to inspect the clutch as well.

Also don't waste your time fighting the dealership that sold you the car, if you signed a contract that says "as is" without any warranty there is not much you can do. The only thing you can do is a leave a bad review on yelp.

I say deal with the Subaru dealership since the car is under warranty through them.

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Old 03-28-2013, 10:03 AM   #38
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so the best practice for this issue would be a total rebuilt of the one side?
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:27 AM   #39
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Rebuild of the whole motor.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:33 AM   #40
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Everyone says that,but too bad they usually last less than 50k due to the extra PW clearances needed for the non OEM alloys
You say that as if the h-cast pistons last longer! That's the whole reason for the suggestion--because the cast ones pop at any given moment.

OP...I'd agree to see about getting SOA involved if you haven't already, and take it to a Subie dealer. Good luck man keep us posted.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:28 AM   #41
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Rebuild of the whole motor.
That would be the best, but also the least likely outcome. It depends on the capability of the dealership really and my bet is the most likely scenerio will be damaged valves replaced and unless the pistons are cracked they wount replace them. The valves are much weaker then a piston and I doubt they did any more then scuff up the face of the piston. While in an ideal world we'd all want new pistons, Subarus checks and balances don't live in the ideal world.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:49 PM   #42
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Yikes... not cool!!


I hope you get sorted man! Good luck!
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:58 PM   #43
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If the belt skipped some teeth and the motor is ok a new belt, and timing components should do the trick.

If it bent valves and **** return the car. That's terrible. I'd find a way to give it back.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:01 PM   #44
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motors coming out? buy some Weisco's or JE's and toss em in. Not the right way to do things, but you'll thank me in the long run.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:16 PM   #45
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Wow man .. yet another poor guy bent over after buying a used WRX/STI.

I understand the laws in your State might make this difficult, but I would do everything in your power to get out of that car and return it. There is no reason for a buyer to purchase a 2 year old car, and have a catastrophic engine failure like that with 25k miles on it after 1 day of ownership. That car must have been beat to hell.

If you have no choice but to keep it, I would then have better internals installed as people here are recommending .. but fight tooth and nail to return it. You only had it 24hrs when it went on you, and I promise this won't be your last trip to the shop with this thing.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:28 PM   #46
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Alright so I got a phone call this morning saying the car was ready to go.

I was totally confused, the tech that I spoke with last night had told me they would probably have to rebuild the entire left side of the engine.

My conversation with the lead Subaru technician this morning went something like...

"It's fixed? So what was the problem?" - Me

"You're timing belt jumped 2 teeth(says something about it was on the 6th spot the exhaust)" - Tech

"So, what would cause something like that?" - Me

"Missed downshift on a redline, is our best guess but I'm not sure" - Tech

"Huh? I was just driving to get coffee...barely doing 30 mi-" Me

"Listen, man to man...and I didn't say anything to anybody...you can drive your car how you want but this is a one time only deal, I will fix this free of charge only once" - Tech


When I got there to pick it up he elaborated a bit more that the guy I had spoken with last night was off on his diagnosis and things weren't as grim as he thought. The shop was so confused in trying to diagnose this problem they had to call a tech at SOA for help.

In the end, the timing belt was not replaced, it was just adjusted and tightened. No additional damage was found to have occurred. The engine was tested and car was driven and they decided it was good to go. I drove it, waited for it to get good and warm and put it through it paces and everything seemed fine.

It doesn't give me warm fuzzies about keeping it but at least it's back in my possession and not dead anymore, my personal mechanic(tuner and Subaru expert) is on vacation this week and I'll wait to see what he thinks about it after he sees it.

You can see the official work report from my Subaru dealer below..
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:41 PM   #47
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"Listen, man to man...and I didn't say anything to anybody...you can drive your car how you want but this is a one time only deal, I will fix this free of charge only once" - Tech[/b]

So you own the car for 24 hours, the car has nothing other than a catback and is still well within warranty? And this tech acts like he is doing you a huge favor by simply putting the timing belt back on and adjusting everything as needed? That's his job right? I'm new to the Subaru world but from what I have seen, customer service and warranty work is a crap shoot. That's ridiculous man!! I really hope everything works out for you. Good luck.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:48 PM   #48
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It is what it is man, if it feels right. I figured they would squeeze out in the most minimal way, they did. Drive it easy, till your mechanic is back, try to get a camera in the spark plug holes and snap some pics, maybe perform a leak down to confirm the valves are seating right. If it pass's all this and feels good to you, then your probably fine. Chalk it up to freak occurances, let's just hope its a one time deal.

Further more...ignore that lead tech, he didn't pay for jack snit and has no say over weather subaru will or will not fix this again, cause they will if its under 36k or they will face a lawsuit.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:42 PM   #49
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It jumped and may jump again. Need to find / fix why. I would have the timing belt guides clearance checked along with the belt tension adjuster. Maybe the lead tech did this, haha no i doubt the thought even crossed his mind. There's a procedure in the manual for checking tension if you want to ask that tech if he did it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:38 PM   #50
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I would also get a leakdown test done right away.
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