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Old 04-09-2013, 12:32 AM   #1
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OK well let me start by saying my girlfriends brother is kind a pretty stubborn/ ignorant guy. He brought a car by on Saturday that he was test driving and I took a look at it without him really asking. It is a 2003 Mazda 6 v6 with 93000 miles on it. The first thing I notice is it is missing a lugnut on one wheel the front fender well is missing on the same side, and ghetto rigged on the other. An accessory pulley that looks like it is coming off of a camshaft is wobbling badly and the car is rittled with small dents and scratches. Also the front left tire is almost completely bald. They are asking $8900 for the car and kbb has the value at 7000 for "excellent" condition.

I suggest after all this that he just forget about it or get them to fix all of these things and drastically lower the price and if he is still interested take it to a professional mechanic and have them do an inspection. He goes back and they they say they will fix all these things and he buys the car (for full price!) without getting it inspected.

Today, the check engine light comes on so he now thinks it might be a good idea to get an inspection. Turns out the motor is a used motor from another car, the ecm might be bad, the wiring harness is a mess, cv axles are done brakes are **** etc.

Any one on here have any experience with this? Half af me wants to just be like well you're an idiot and laugh but I feels bad for him but mostly his wife who was trying to get me to listen to him and will be the primary driver of the car. Is it possible to go to the financier and get them to decline the loan if financing isn't gone through? Or any kind of lemon law that would apply? Any insight appreciated..
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:42 AM   #2
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Lemon laws apply to dealer cars under warranty, not used cars.

Caveat emptor. Some lessons are more expensive to learn than others. And yet your advice was free.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:45 AM   #3
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It is still worth a try to go in and have them fix or replace the car with something else off their lot. Did he get it in writing that they would fix the other issues? Why does the motor being from another vehicle matter? I don't think they have to tell you that, and the dealer may have not even known.
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:42 AM   #4
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It's not worth nearly what they are asking.

For that price I bet they could get into a newer one with similar miles.

But if he has his mind set on it, let him do it. You have given your input already. I have learned this is the best way to deal with people. Let them make their own mistakes and when the timing is right, you get to say "I told you so."
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:58 AM   #5
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You should just smack your hand and say no! For even thinking about buying a Mazada! =)
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:04 AM   #6
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like you said above the dealer may not have known its just in the inspection they said the swap wasn't done very cleanly and the harness was ripped apart in the process like they tried to take out the motor with everything attached. But this morning he was an ******* to my girlfriend while she was trying to help him and called her an idiot (the irony is painful) so he can go screw himself. My little brother would put more research into a baseball bat he wanted to purchase than this guy does a car. How stupid can people be?
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:50 PM   #7
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I'd tell him to try and return it. Yeah, he might take a hit financially, but it's better than realizing it after thousands of dollars are poured into it.

If he's THAT deadset on a Mazda 6. There are others out there in WAY better condition for the same price.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:56 AM   #8
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Lemon laws apply to dealer cars under warranty, not used cars.

Caveat emptor. Some lessons are more expensive to learn than others. And yet your advice was free.
agree.

Come talk to me when your car fleet is in the range of $800,000 and we can start sharing sob stories.
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:29 PM   #9
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Who was the dealer? You might be able to scare them with claiming Lemon law if they are dumb enough to fall for it. Just go in knowing what the Lemon law is and explain to them what it is and if they don't give money back, or trade the car for a better vehicle that your going to go after them. Scare tactics! They may not know that it doesn't apply to used as is vehicles.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:22 PM   #10
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Does the title reflect the actual mileage of the car? If its a motor swap you wouldn't be able to tell how many miles are on the thing from the odometer. If the dealer tried to pull one over on you without telling even how many miles were on the swap I'd be very wary and I'm pretty sure it's illegal not to note that.
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:50 PM   #11
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agree.

Come talk to me when your car fleet is in the range of $800,000 and we can start sharing sob stories.
**** you and your car fleet! You said you would sell
Me that M3!!! I still do not own an M3. You are actual hairless man!



Have you had hair return since the laser treatments?
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:52 PM   #12
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Does the title reflect the actual mileage of the car? If its a motor swap you wouldn't be able to tell how many miles are on the thing from the odometer. If the dealer tried to pull one over on you without telling even how many miles were on the swap I'd be very wary and I'm pretty sure it's illegal not to note that.
They purchased the car from a place e on state called Allstate auto. I looked over the all paper work and the odometer statement and there is no indication anywhere that the motor has been replaced or any type of actually mileage. So they asked me to follow them to the place to try to return the car or drop it off to get repaired if they agreed to fix all the things wrong with it. So I did.

I go into the dealership because I want to see what goes down and they are very bad at saying what they mean so I wanted to help if needed. They bring up returning it to the sales manager and he doesn't even acknowledge what they have said just says oh I have talked to the mechanic and he will take care of all the problems (not that this is really important but the guy is middle eastern and does not have real great english) So they go talk to the mechanic.

Mechanic says who ah the stuff on the list from your outside source is not what I have a work order for. They say what can we do to try and return the car. He says u have got to the guy we just talked to. We go back in and they try to ask the guy and he is just saying how the mechanic will fix all the problems. So I just ask why aren't you answering the question. You sold them a car that apparently has many problems that were undisclosed. No joke the guy tells me to shut the **** up and sit down. I said after that you need to settle down and why are you getting so defensive did you know this thing was a lemon and are you just trying to pawn it off on my friends? He snaps and starts calling me a fing gay slur here and just comes off the handle it was unreal. I told them to get some legal advice and that I was leaving. The guy started even taunting me to fight him, right in the main lobby it was crazy. I just said **** you I am not fighting you and told my friends to get a lawyer these people are crooks and left. gotta love shady used car lots.
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:35 AM   #13
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Your friend is an idiot. I guess you know this....
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:42 AM   #14
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**** you and your car fleet! You said you would sell
Me that M3!!! I still do not own an M3. You are actual hairless man!



Have you had hair return since the laser treatments?
Sorry about the M3. There is no way I could have sold it to you for what I needed to get out of it. If you really want 1 I can hook you up for sure. But I couldn't have helped you out at all with that M3.

I went to treatments for 3 years. I finally just told them I was done with it. There are a few tiny patches below my knees and a few other areas where hair kind of comes back. From 10' I look hair free that's good enough. It definately an improvement from the way god made me. I got ****ed up a few times from treatments with some pretty bad bruises from the laser. If you are interested in some sexy pictures of my man bits let me know.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:22 AM   #15
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If he has it in writing that they will fix all the things that were wrong, he should have some leverage. But if it was just a verbal promise on their part, he's screwed.

My Co-Worker took a car back after a month of owning it because they place he bought it from wouldn't fix the car to make it pass emissions like they had promised, he threatened them with getting a lawyer and they took the car back.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:23 PM   #16
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Your friend is an idiot. I guess you know this....
Friend was used loosely instead of typing out "my girlfriends brother" a bunch. I do not nor would I ever regularly associate with people this intellectually hindered.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:20 PM   #17
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Friend was used loosely instead of typing out "my girlfriends brother" a bunch. I do not nor would I ever regularly associate with people this intellectually hindered.
I figured from reading. You have more patience than I when dealing with this situation. I probably would tell him he's an idiot and leave it at that. To actually drive down with him and being threatened. You should talk to an attorney about that part you probably have a better chance of winning that then having the dealership take the car back. He signed for it, It's his car. That's the bottom line. Lesson learned.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:56 AM   #18
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If he has it in writing that they will fix all the things that were wrong, he should have some leverage. But if it was just a verbal promise on their part, he's screwed.
Mistake one was buying the car. Mistake two would be handing the car over to their "mechanic" (quotes very much intentional ). I guarantee you that however many problems the car has now, it will have more if this places gets ahold of it again... especially after the salesman escalated to intimidation.
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