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Old 04-12-2013, 11:49 AM   #126
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Just wondering, what is it about the hill assist that bothers you? I'm new to it, but it doesnt make me angry..I got use to it within a week.
You are sitting on a hill, brake on, you decide to roll back....NOPE...WAIT 3 seconds! Then same situation, but want to take off quickly, I can feel the car is holding the brakes while I am trying to leave, half the time if you don't give it enough gas to overcome the brakes being on still, the car stalls. The other issue is I want to roll out of my steep driveway, so I roll out, get to the street and the car hasn't rolled enough to get back out onto the other side of the street so oncoming traffic can clear me.....SO....I try to engage reverse while still rolling....GRIND!!! The only way to overcome this is to stop, then put it in reverse....this never happened in my GTO or MINI, just engage reverse and keep going in those cars.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:51 AM   #127
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I've owned and EVO X and 2012 Mustang in the past 5 years so I have a good understanding that there are better cars out there for the money. The STI is an average handling sporty car and the WRX a notch below that. All I'm saying is that a Gensis coupe IMO is a step above a WRX and at the very least lateral, but certainly not a step below.
Thats about the most honest answer I have seen yet, somebody who isn't drinking the Kool-Aid!
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:21 PM   #128
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Thats about the most honest answer I have seen yet, somebody who isn't drinking the Kool-Aid!
There is nothing wrong with a WRX. It's a quick little compact that's a solid choice for a jack of all trades automobile but I tend to get a little annoyed when I hear the fanboys talk about it like it's a performance car because solid handling cars simply don't incoporate major body roll and understeer like the WRX and lesser extent the STI. The Genesis has it's warts but it's a more performance focused car. Personally I think a Mustang is a better choice if a person wants to go sporty RWD but that's a different argument all together and I realize that some people just don't like Mustangs.

My only issue with the OP's choice is the fact that he should never have bought the WRX in the first place if his heart was somewhere else. Waste of money but live and learn I guess.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:23 PM   #129
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Lets keep in mind that anyone who needs Hill-Assist probably shouldn't be driving a manual to begin with, they make Automatics for those people.
The same argument could be made for traction control and abs...
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:27 PM   #130
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I was snowboarding with a buddy and a guy pulls up next to us on ski's and as if I don't dislike skiers enough produces two bibles for us. We jumped up and boogied down that hill so fast....later fooo.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:29 PM   #131
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I was snowboarding with a buddy and a guy pulls up next to us on ski's and as if I don't dislike skiers enough produces two bibles for us. We jumped up and boogied down that hill so fast....later fooo.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:31 PM   #132
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:02 PM   #133
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ok were off topic now.
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:14 PM   #134
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You are sitting on a hill, brake on, you decide to roll back....NOPE...WAIT 3 seconds! Then same situation, but want to take off quickly, I can feel the car is holding the brakes while I am trying to leave, half the time if you don't give it enough gas to overcome the brakes being on still, the car stalls. The other issue is I want to roll out of my steep driveway, so I roll out, get to the street and the car hasn't rolled enough to get back out onto the other side of the street so oncoming traffic can clear me.....SO....I try to engage reverse while still rolling....GRIND!!! The only way to overcome this is to stop, then put it in reverse....this never happened in my GTO or MINI, just engage reverse and keep going in those cars.
Sounds like you need more experience driving a manual if you're stalling car because of the very minor grab of the brakes when hill assist is engaged.

Hill assist only engages if you're at a stop, clutch in, and the shifter in first for at least a few seconds. If you want to reduce most of all the hill assist invention, then either:

1) Come of a stop, select neutral, and hold the car that way. When it's time to go, quickly select 1st and release brakes. Hill assist rarely engages unless you're on a steep hill. Even then, it rarely engages. Staying in neutral and clutch-out at an extended stop is better on the tranny too.

2) You can simply clutch-in and foot off the brakes shortly before you know it's time to go. Hill assist will disengage in less than 2 seconds. If you're not paying attention to your surroundings (ie stop lights, turn signals, etc) then you shouldn't be driving in the first place, IMO.

3) You can leave the line slowly. Again, being aware of your surroundings goes a long way. A smooth and slow take-off will not result in hill assist slowing your progress.
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:32 PM   #135
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Have never had a car before with hill assist and have not once stalled bc it grabbed too hard.
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:44 PM   #136
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ok were off topic now.
... derailing threads in to pointless debates regarding 100% non-cogent material is what "General" went to school for.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:10 PM   #137
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There is nothing wrong with a WRX. It's a quick little compact that's a solid choice for a jack of all trades automobile but I tend to get a little annoyed when I hear the fanboys talk about it like it's a performance car because solid handling cars simply don't incoporate major body roll and understeer like the WRX and lesser extent the STI. The Genesis has it's warts but it's a more performance focused car. Personally I think a Mustang is a better choice if a person wants to go sporty RWD but that's a different argument all together and I realize that some people just don't like Mustangs.
Sounding like a broken record, a stock GR WRX can pull 0.92g's, do the slalom at 70mph, stop in 106', do the Figure 8 test within 0.2 seconds of the STI, and outruns the stellar handling Focus ST at Willow Springs by over a second, I'd have to say the stock GR WRX does pretty good. Yeah, it does have some roll and can understeer badly if you're a bit too hamfisted, but the limits are very high, especially for a car that's less than $30K. The car is far from perfect, but there isn't much out there except for maybe the Mustang V6 with the Track Package which can give it a serious run for the money.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:16 PM   #138
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Sounding like a broken record, a stock GR WRX can pull 0.92g's, do the slalom at 70mph, stop in 106', do the Figure 8 test within 0.2 seconds of the STI, and outruns the stellar handling Focus ST at Willow Springs by over a second, I'd have to say the stock GR WRX does pretty good. Yeah, it does have some roll and can understeer badly if you're a bit too hamfisted, but the limits are very high, especially for a car that's less than $30K. The car is far from perfect, but there isn't much out there except for maybe the Mustang V6 with the Track Package which can give it a serious run for the money.
WRX owners always seem to have something to prove.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:17 PM   #139
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Personally I think a Mustang is a better choice if a person wants to go sporty RWD but that's a different argument all together and I realize that some people just don't like Mustangs.
I can actually agree with you there. If I didn't need 4 doors I would have considered the new stang. Buddy has a 2012 automatic with an intake and tune ran a 12.1 @ 114mph.

Love them or hate them, that is badass for very little money/modifications. Ford has come a long way, anyway who says otherwise clearly hasn't been in one lately or is just plain ignorant.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:21 PM   #140
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WRX owners always seem to have something to prove.
Please lets not go there again.......

Lets just agree that in your year the STI was far superior to the wrx, that gap closed in the last few years. There is still a gap, but not like it used to be.......anyone can see that.

You have two agruments here, as you said WRX owners see to have something to prove, but STI owners often try the same to justify the 8k+ markup.

Lets just leave the wrx vs sti piss fest out.

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Old 04-12-2013, 02:27 PM   #141
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Please lets not go there again.......

Lets just agree that in your year the STI was far superior to the wrx, that gap closed in the last few years. There is still a gap, but not like it used to be.......anyone can see that.

You have two agruments here, as you said WRX owners see to have something to prove, but STI owners often try the same to justify the 8k+ markup.

Lets just leave the wrx vs sti piss fest out.

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I wasn't intending to go anywhere, just making an astute observation.

Personally, I dont care if you or any other person bought a WRX over an STi - on any level.

WRX owners can argue all they want about value and all the subjective reasons that lead them to their decision, which is their right.

Enjoy your car, drive it, and don't fret that you didn't buy an STi because it's not like some guy is going to pop up when you turn on your WRX and go you should've bought an STi!
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #142
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Sounds like you need more experience driving a manual if you're stalling car because of the very minor grab of the brakes when hill assist is engaged.

Hill assist only engages if you're at a stop, clutch in, and the shifter in first for at least a few seconds. If you want to reduce most of all the hill assist invention, then either:

1) Come of a stop, select neutral, and hold the car that way. When it's time to go, quickly select 1st and release brakes. Hill assist rarely engages unless you're on a steep hill. Even then, it rarely engages. Staying in neutral and clutch-out at an extended stop is better on the tranny too.

2) You can simply clutch-in and foot off the brakes shortly before you know it's time to go. Hill assist will disengage in less than 2 seconds. If you're not paying attention to your surroundings (ie stop lights, turn signals, etc) then you shouldn't be driving in the first place, IMO.

3) You can leave the line slowly. Again, being aware of your surroundings goes a long way. A smooth and slow take-off will not result in hill assist slowing your progress.
Its obvious we disagree, but way to go defending a nanny gadget that has no use in a performance car. Hill-Assist is an annoyance created for people who can't drive a manual, I assume you are one of them, enjoy. There is a reason people buy Manual Transmission cars, it is not so we can enjoy Hill-Assist, it so we don't have a transmission or nanny gadget deciding what we should do, PERIOD!
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:00 PM   #143
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For me, the big thing that would drive me away from the Genesis is the low resale value relative to that of ANY Subaru let alone a WRX. I own a 2005 WRX wagon, and I've been offered 12grand multiple times (tasteful mods, and a brand new short block).
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:25 PM   #144
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For me, the big thing that would drive me away from the Genesis is the low resale value relative to that of ANY Subaru let alone a WRX. I own a 2005 WRX wagon, and I've been offered 12grand multiple times (tasteful mods, and a brand new short block).
That is a good point as others have made as well. My little brother is in the market for a used g-coupe, 2011-12 track models (what he wants) can be had for 16-17K mileage varies of course. I believe that is about 5-6k loss in a year or two.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:41 PM   #145
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Its obvious we disagree, but way to go defending a nanny gadget that has no use in a performance car. Hill-Assist is an annoyance created for people who can't drive a manual, I assume you are one of them, enjoy. There is a reason people buy Manual Transmission cars, it is not so we can enjoy Hill-Assist, it so we don't have a transmission or nanny gadget deciding what we should do, PERIOD!
It's okay man, hill assist made me stall once too.
Still love my car.

10 pages later and no progress made - the guy probably already traded hi genesis in for a Honda FIT anyway
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:10 PM   #146
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Just stopped at a dealer to look at one of these things and also the weird hatch thing they have. To each their own, but barf. I almost vomited in my mouth when looking at the fake plastic vents all over this thing.
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:22 PM   #147
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For me, the big thing that would drive me away from the Genesis is the low resale value relative to that of ANY Subaru let alone a WRX. I own a 2005 WRX wagon, and I've been offered 12grand multiple times (tasteful mods, and a brand new short block).
I agree. When I bought my Spec V I didn't even consider that. When I ordered my WRX I traded my Spec V in for $11400. It's a 2008, 32kmiles (next lowest ANYONE could find was 40k), and clean clean clean. While researching what I wanted to push for in a trade in I looked up Si's and they were going for wayyyyy more. A 2008 Si for $11k would have about 70k miles. On paper they were the same car (fwd, 4 cyl N/A, etc). Spec V was even a little faster but it didn't have that Honda badge on it.

I still don't know why. Hyundai I can understand because they have a terrible reputation (inb4 "They're getting better!") but Nissan has almost always put out affordable and reliable cars.

This is definitely something to keep in mind. Essentially you'd be paying an extra $8k (ballpark) on top of what you calculated now because of the difference in resale value.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:34 PM   #149
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I don't think I could ever buy a car with fake hood vents.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:24 PM   #150
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I don't think I could ever buy a car with fake hood vents.
Really says something about the car IMO
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