Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday September 18, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Interior & Exterior Modification

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-24-2002, 10:10 AM   #1
silverbetty
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 23851
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: baltimoreturbo.com
Vehicle:
2013 Legacy
Gray

Default Top Five Gauges To Have

I ordered a 2003 Impreza WRX without the factory/port installed boost gauge. I saw a three gauge pod that was really cool in the options book and liked the look of it. The dealer said it was a dealer option. I've decided to hold off on that and look elsewhere for the set up. With a little research I've found aftermarket pods that are cheaper. I also found a white faced, blue lighted speedpo, tach, temp, fuel gauge, etc. overlay and thought it would be nice to have all the gauges match.

Now for my question, what are the top five (5) gauges to have in a WRX? Also, does anyone besides Omori make gauges that would match the Indiglo gauges?

Thanks.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
silverbetty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2002, 01:16 PM   #2
jesse370
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12147
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: collingswood nj
Vehicle:
2005 g-35
ivory pearl

Default

As far as indiglo goes, there are alot of companies that make guages in different sizes and measurements. You'll just need to search. As far as what my setup is going to be. I have the steering boost gauge. Then a defi pod w/egt, oil pressure, and water temp. Than maybe one on the pillar for a air-fuel? It all depends on what you are going to be doing to the car.

If you are leaving it stock you don't need any. The boost is fun to watch to see how and when the car builds boost and in what situations. All the others I listed become important when you start yo modify your car.
Exhaust gas temp is vital because that can let you know if you are running close to detonation and if you are running lean.
Oil pressure will let you know of big problems in your engine before they get worse.
Water temp will let you know how well your coolant system is working and how much heat is in the system. Also I would think would be important when pussing more power. You want to know how much heat is being pulled away from the heads where it can cause detonation.
Air/fuel I'm up in the air about alot of people say they are more of a light show than anything but I'm going to be spending alot on my car so I want to know what is going on under the hood.
jesse370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2002, 02:42 PM   #3
hpracingwrx
Gone... But not forgotten
 
Member#: 16772
Join Date: Mar 2002
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: back in AK
Vehicle:
2003 R6
i miss my rex....

Default

id say definitely boost and EGT
id also get oil pressure, fuel pressure and nitrous psi rate
but thats just me
hpracingwrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2002, 06:56 PM   #4
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

One thing about matching colors.....I've always thought the same thing, that they should match, but your heating, and radio still will not match color. I have decided to go with Defi BF guages because they would look cool.


As far as what guages to get....I'm gonna put EGT, Oil Pressure, and Oil Temp in the pod....and I was thinking boost on the a-pillar in a cup-mount. I had boost, oil pressure, oil temp, air/fuel, and voltmeter in my old Supercharged maxima. You think I should go with oil temp again?? I def want to do oil pressure, egt, and boost, its just whether or not I want to put more on the a-pillar or somewhere else.....There aren't that many kinds of the BF guages, so I may just get them all and mount them in various places. Any ideas as to more places to put them??

-Mike
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2002, 11:48 PM   #5
jesse370
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12147
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: collingswood nj
Vehicle:
2005 g-35
ivory pearl

Default

instead of oil temp why not water. That can tell you alot about how healthy your engine is, Blitz has a real nice radiator hose with a bung in it too.
jesse370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 01:25 AM   #6
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by jesse370
instead of oil temp why not water. That can tell you alot about how healthy your engine is, Blitz has a real nice radiator hose with a bung in it too.

you think water temp is better than oil temp?? Cause that'd be an option too, especailly since there is a radiator hose with a bung already in it....Also, I think i'd run out of room with all the guages....On the oil temp argument tho, there is a water temp guage on the dash....
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 02:03 AM   #7
MMBOOST
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24140
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: SFBA
Vehicle:
02 Impreza WRX
http://www.logmapper.com

Default

There's nothing wrong with water temp, but if you have a limit in the $ department, go with the oil pressure. It will tell you much more important "health" characteristics.... like be a good indicator that your getting good lubrication into the turbo. Although, its an idiot-gauge, you already have a water temp gauge in the combination meter as well as a cooling fan. Get the oil pressure gauge.

As for looks and manufacturer.... I have a couple of HKS gauges and am not happy with the lighting. Also the boost gauge seems a bit off. This surprises me as HKS is known for quality. The lighting is very dim. If an street lamp hits the boost meter at night, it looks as though the meter's lighting isn't even on

So, I'm selling them on eBay as soon as my custom Omori gauges come. I've spent a long time talking with folks from Omori. I do not know anyone to have complained about them. I got a good deal directly with Omori-NA on custom gauges that will match my reverse indiglo combination meter.... any day now

jason
MMBOOST is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 09:21 AM   #8
nqwan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2916
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: OC
Vehicle:
02 duburu arr exu

Default

If you want to match indiglo, I'd go with Apexi's EL series gauges. They're nice quality indiglo gauges though they're a bit pricey also.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/meters_elgauges.asp

Just keep in mind that they're 60mm gauges.
nqwan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 10:51 AM   #9
JimDab
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 24981
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Anaheim CA
Vehicle:
2o03 Impreza WRX
Bluish-Blue

Default

i worry about even a easy-to-see boost gauge

i think the more gauges you have the more a cop who has pulled you over will be likely to give you some kind of a ticket just because of the race-car image your giving off

im trying to get a boost gauge that'll hide in my ashtray
JimDab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 02:02 PM   #10
jesse370
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12147
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: collingswood nj
Vehicle:
2005 g-35
ivory pearl

Default

Well I would never say water temp over oil pressure. As for what oil pressure will tell you, I think the oil cools the turbo more than lubes it and I care alot more about how much pressure is in the whole system. If something goes terribly wrong inside the engine an oil pressure gauge will let you know before maybe things go to the point of a complete loss of the engine. My setup is going to have both because I already have the boost guage from the factory. As for me running water temp I'm going with a fmic and a aftermarket radiator and will want to know how well the system is working, and the water temp light on the dash as said is an idiot light.
jesse370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 02:58 PM   #11
Tedwrx
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 8134
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Jefferson Georgia(The stix)
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
H.O.K. Candy Tangerine

Default

I have the Blitz BL-series in my car they are carbon with green numbers and use blacklites to light up the numbers. Blitz also makes other colors and they are high quality and I would recommend them to anyone.
Tedwrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 04:11 PM   #12
hobbzz
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24172
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Vehicle:
04 STI
JBP

Default

Bump...I wanna hear some more opinions, I was told boost, egt, and possibly(sp?) FP, but don't know what to believe .
hobbzz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 05:45 PM   #13
128d
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7792
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicagoland
Vehicle:
2002 Prodrive
widebody Cosworth 2.5 6sp

Default

If you get any at all you shoould really have boost anf EGT. I find them to be by far the most important if you plan on modding anything on your car.
128d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 06:21 PM   #14
TonyWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 21146
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CT
Default

definitely boost and EGT...then i think its just personal opinion for the 3rd...i've heard so many different ones you should get.

I have a question though...what would people suggest are the best gauges out there?

I've heard Greddy but now i'm starting to wonder if the Apex'i or the Blitz are better. There's also Autometer and Omori (sp?) Anything else?
TonyWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 08:12 PM   #15
Capt Crunch
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 10852
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Cleveland / UMD College Park
Vehicle:
Then : JDM Ver 7 STi
Now : E46 M3 / MKVI GTI

Default

Don't listen to any of these guys, you need 5 shift lights! Make sure they are either chrome or fake carbon fiber!
Capt Crunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2002, 08:15 PM   #16
TonyWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 21146
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CT
Default

come on now, you know you only need 5 shift lights if your car is AUTOMATIC
TonyWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2002, 11:55 AM   #17
silverbetty
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 23851
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: baltimoreturbo.com
Vehicle:
2013 Legacy
Gray

Default bump

I'm still looking for some opinions on the "best" five gauges to have.
silverbetty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2002, 06:28 PM   #18
mr2guru
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 10334
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: St. Louis
Vehicle:
91 RX7 LSx swap
'09 CC 3.6 4motion

Default

Here what I think....for a modded car at least.

1. Boost
2. EGT
3. Oil pressure
4. Fuel pressure
5. toss-up...AFR/oil temp
mr2guru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 09:18 AM   #19
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

None of you guys constrasted Oil temp vs Water temp.....I'd like to hear all your thoughts on that.....
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 09:37 AM   #20
decibel_dj
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 21752
Join Date: Jul 2002
Default

personally i would get:
1- EGT (being most important)
2-Boost (2nd after EGT)
3-Oil Pressure

after that everything else is a toss up!
A/F meters arent really showing much and in most cases arent needed unless you have a dual guage which shows Air and Fuel on 2 separate needles (custom guage)
decibel_dj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 10:20 AM   #21
Jonn
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 22275
Join Date: Aug 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Default

What about turbo timers?
Jonn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 10:27 AM   #22
TonyWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 21146
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CT
Default

what about turbo timers?

What do you need to know?
TonyWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 11:03 AM   #23
decibel_dj
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 21752
Join Date: Jul 2002
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Jonn
What about turbo timers?
you dont need a guage for that!
decibel_dj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 01:06 PM   #24
98kPa
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17379
Join Date: Apr 2002
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by nqwan
If you want to match indiglo, I'd go with Apexi's EL series gauges. They're nice quality indiglo gauges though they're a bit pricey also.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/meters_elgauges.asp

Just keep in mind that they're 60mm gauges.
That's an understatement. They are way super freakin' overpriced! And they aren't reverse indiglo. Also 60mm A'pexi gauges are begging to be stolen

jason
98kPa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2002, 01:27 PM   #25
98kPa
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17379
Join Date: Apr 2002
Default

Ugh.

To start out repeating somewhat of what's been said...

Which gauges are the "best" depends on what you are doing. If you are not playing with fuel pressure or mixture and you are not playing with boost, all you might really need are:

1 - EGT
2- Oil Pressure

You do not actually need a boost gauge if you're not playing with the boost.


If you are playing with boost in a minor way (i.e. just a boost controller) you should get.

1 - EGT
2 - Oil Pressure
3 - Boost

Again, you do not really need a boost gauge for driving around; but its useful for tuning

So, nowyou're going with the big boys. You have your boost controller and maybe an FMIC and bigger turbo and hopefully you also have an AFR or ecu upgrade, bigger injectors and a more potent fuel pump.

1 - EGT
2 - Oil Pressure
3 - Boost
4 - A/F (a real one, not the blinky junk)

Why don't I mention Oil Temp? Well oil pressure and oil temperature are basically numbers that are a function of one another. High pressure is high temperature. However, pressure is not a function of temperature if you have an open system... i.e. an oil leak. This reading would be misleading on two counts, and depending on how you choose to decipher. A big oil drop would make for high temperatures... but wait, didn't I just say that high pressure is high temperature? That's riiiiight Friction.

A/F meters are a tricky case. They can be helpful and they can be misleading. It depends on how it works. Does it have its own sensor? Is it a good sensor? Does it work off the ECU signal? Does the stock sensor apply to your setup? I've you've seen one of thse blinky A/F meters, you might, like me, find them hard to read. They are blippin' around like mad all the time. I do not find them useful. My preference would be to watch my EGT. High EGTs mean two things: restricted flow and lean. If you've removed enough cats and your pipes are wide enough for your application (as you should if you are going to muck with boost) you're running lean, no doubt. So, instead of an A/F, when on the road I'd rely on an EGT. If I find I am getting high EGT problems, I'd hook up a computer, OBD gadget, what-have-you, and get real data.


If I was racing this car, especially in a touring/rally type of scenario, I would get a water temp also.


jason
98kPa is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
List 3 important gauges to have... gopsu Newbies & FAQs 9 07-11-2009 01:59 PM
Top 3 gauges to be used Foska Oats Newbies & FAQs 63 05-15-2007 03:25 PM
Modify Defi-D gauge to have warning light drfrink24 Electrical & Lighting 0 03-07-2006 03:15 PM
What are the Top 3 Gauges to monitor your engine? Sevaru Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain 16 01-09-2005 09:22 AM
Top 3 Gauges you would have!!! wagonrx03 Southern California Impreza Club Forum -- SCIC 15 04-19-2004 12:15 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.