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Old 04-14-2013, 10:26 PM   #1
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Talking First trackday with my bone stock WRX

Hey gang,

I just got back from an awesome day at Buttonwillow Raceway driving my new WRX on the track.



Kinda fun to be the guy with paper license plates with 1200 miles on the odo on stock tires. While I was so far from being a heavy hitter out there, a lot of people with faster cars and stickier rubber were humbled today. Had quite a few people come up to me in the paddock and chat with me afterwards.

I'm really impressed with the car in stock trim, I thought it would be a handful, but the it hooks up real nice once it takes a set and the OEM Dunlops are absolutely impressive for an OEM tire. The people that complain about them need to learn how to drive.

Unsurprisingly overall the brakes were the weakest point and towards the ends of sessions the fade was pretty significant but still manageable. For sure if the car had more power it would have been a problem. Seems like the mod progression should be brakes, wheels/tires, suspension, and after all that finally power.

Anyways, I just wanted to share. I've got some pretty extensive motorsport background, but I've been away from the track for years. This car has given me the bug again, and I look forward to taking it out to the track a lot more in the future.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:39 PM   #2
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Who needs a break-in period! Enjoy your new car!
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:41 PM   #3
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Bone stock is plenty car for any track day.

Once upon a time, mods were something skilled drivers did to compensate for their driving style or chassis handicap....

Now ppl believe mods are a requirement for just showing up at a track day.

Congrats on having fun out there
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:02 PM   #4
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Bone stock is plenty car for any track day.

Once upon a time, mods were something skilled drivers did to compensate for their driving style or chassis handicap....

Now ppl believe mods are a requirement for just showing up at a track day.

Congrats on having fun out there
Word to that! Some people have mod lists already set up for cars they don't yet own, smh...

It's a great track car, I had a bit of roll with the sedan and some sway bars maybe coming in the next few months - keep on keepin on!
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:14 PM   #5
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Well... this follows Uncle Scotty's break in procedure. Lol. I agree with you about the brakes as well.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:25 PM   #6
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Nice break in! Doing it the right way will pay off in the long run. Invest in a good turbo blanket and a good 40 wt oil for all your track time.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:18 AM   #7
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Whoa! Someone is actually driving their car and enjoying it without worrying about what carbon fiber door handles or super dope wheels will make their car the most awesomest! A refreshing thread in a sea of :facepalms:. Congrats on the new car.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #8
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Sounds like you had fun. Indeed, the car is far less important than the driver out there. Yah, I shake my head too, hearing n00bs talk about this sway bar and those coilovers and rolling the fenders to get monster tires in there. Then the guy with the stock 99 Miata is 10 seconds a lap faster because they listen to their instructor.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:48 AM   #9
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I did 2 track days in my basically stock 2008 WRX, I had a stage 1 AP and better brake pads on it. I had a blast both times.The first year I was in the novice group, with a bunch of drivers scared of wrecking their cars or they sucked. Because of that, I drove away from a Lotus, caught a Vette, and passed a Ferrari. The second year, I was put into the intermediate group, which had a bunch of modded cars and a few unmodded, and was put in my place by almost everyone on the track, except for the unmodded cars with which I held my own. Like any driving situation, you can't outdrive your vehicle, but you can have a hell of a lot of fun!


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Old 04-15-2013, 08:09 AM   #10
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i wouldnt track a totally stock car

it would be dangerous.....and the brakes and tires would be destroyed even if you took it easy

i would LOVE to track a lightly prepared wrx with proper brake pads/fluid and alignmentso the tires wouldnt die a horrible death
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:12 AM   #11
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very nice op, i did a track event in my 2012 last year with 2000 miles on her. i did change the pads and fluid though, and flashed a stage 1 map, just for safety..lol
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:59 AM   #12
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Very refreshing thread... That's all I have to say. Just a man out enjoying his Subie the way it was built for.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:54 AM   #13
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Thanks for the reality check, OP. I think many of us, even myself, get all caught up on mods, JDM crap, and what the cool kids are doing. Nothing wrong with modding, but I know sometimes I get too caught up in it.

At autocross yesterday, there were FRS there with just upgraded summer tires. They were blowing the socks off most everyone! They were getting times down with a R35 GTR. Very impressive and simple. Shows you don't need mods if you have skill, a good chassis, and tires.

They were getting about 29-30 sec runs. I was getting 35 with a stage 2 WRX. lolz.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:17 AM   #14
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Glad to see the car in use the right way, do you have any videos?
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:21 AM   #15
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:01 PM   #16
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Happy to see this thread. I'm doing a time trial on Saturday in my '13 WRX. I haven't even hit the 1,000 mile mark yet, so I've been trying to rack up some miles before I change over to 10w40. I'll also be upgrading pads and fluid for the event and that'll be it. If I can figure out a way to rig my camera mount between now and then I'll have some video.
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:28 PM   #17
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Glad you had a great time at your track day!

1,200 miles??? yikes

regarding stockness, cool beans! I've had my sti for almost 10 years and just starting to mod it a bit

I'd strongly recommend stainless brake lines, brake fluid, shifter bushing, and some good tires/brake pads for close future upgrades and a camera mounted somewhere
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:24 PM   #18
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For those of you that do this frequently, have any of you had to pay big bills to fix something that broke relating to track events? I know you'll go through tires and brakes faster but I cringe at the thought of having to replace something expensive like my clutch at low mileage because of this.
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Old 04-15-2013, 05:01 PM   #19
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It was very fun to track my STi, I was very surprised how well it handled! The RE070's hooked up beautifully!
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Old 04-15-2013, 05:09 PM   #20
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Lol you too? Tracked my Legacy with 1200 miles on it, I had the track bug and my MR2 was down for my V6 swap. Except I only have a 2.5i, and the OEM tires were craptastic. Still had tons of fun.

I'm also in the break it in hard camp. I revved the crap out of it driving home from the dealership and changed the oil as soon as I got home. 90K on the car and UOAs are awesome.



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Old 04-15-2013, 05:30 PM   #21
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Thanks for the kind words guys. Some really good posts here, I enjoyed reading of some of your exepriences on track with your stock or near stock cars.

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1,200 miles??? yikes

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i wouldnt track a totally stock car

it would be dangerous.....and the brakes and tires would be destroyed even if you took it easy
I broke the car in. Kept it under 4k rpms most of the time the first 1000 miles and changed the oil and filter myself after that. No lugging it a low rpm, no droning at highway speeds. Constantly varying rpm and load. Always allowed the car to warm up before getting on it, and always allow it to cool down after before shutting it off.

As for it being dangerous, I don't agree. The car like any other, stock or modified has limitations and you simply have to drive within those limitations.

The tires were not "destroyed" though I kept an eye on cold vs hot pressures and made sure they weren't ending up with too much air in them. The left front got cupped a little bit but no big deal. They are stock tires anyways and they are there to be worn out. 17x9s and 255/40/17s are in my future.

The brake pads held up fine, but the fluid got cooked and I'm changing out the fluid for race brake fluid tomorrow.

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I'd strongly recommend stainless brake lines, brake fluid, shifter bushing, and some good tires/brake pads for close future upgrades and a camera mounted somewhere
I notice stainless lines on my motorcycles, but really anything I had on 4 wheels with power brakes it was negligible difference to me personally. Fluid/pads/tires I completely agree though. My car already came with the STi short shift. I had that AND the Kartboy shifter/bushings in my '98 2.5RS turbo, but I'm ok with the way this car shifts now in terms of feel and throw.

Camera is not that big a deal for me. I'd do a whole lot of mods to my car, motorcycle, and bicycles first before I'd ever buy one of those.

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At autocross yesterday, there were FRS there with just upgraded summer tires. They were blowing the socks off most everyone! They were getting times down with a R35 GTR. Very impressive and simple. Shows you don't need mods if you have skill, a good chassis, and tires.

They were getting about 29-30 sec runs. I was getting 35 with a stage 2 WRX. lolz.
There were a ton of Scionaru FRZs out at the track yesterday! They were having time attack challenge. They actually do come with crap tires stock compared to the WRX, and you are right once upgraded (along with brakes), they are really quick.

I actually test drove a BRZ when I test drove the WRX and the STI when I was car shopping. Ultimately I'm a rally car type of guy at heart and a boost junky that loves to camp, ski and ride bicycles and so the WRX hatch is the perfect fit.

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Happy to see this thread. I'm doing a time trial on Saturday in my '13 WRX. I haven't even hit the 1,000 mile mark yet, so I've been trying to rack up some miles before I change over to 10w40. I'll also be upgrading pads and fluid for the event and that'll be it.
Good call. If I were to do it over again at the miniumum I would have changed the brake fluid, but I'm prepared to change it after the fact so it's no big deal. As is the car still stops ok and is safe for normal driving, just the pedal is a bit mushier.I don't think the pads are as necessary but they certainly wouldn't hurt, at least in terms of intial bite and improved modulation.

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I know you'll go through tires and brakes faster but I cringe at the thought of having to replace something expensive like my clutch at low mileage because of this.
This really comes down to driving hard versus driving abusively. If you're just driving the car hard and go fast relatively smoothly, I just don't see anything beyond wear and tear items being an issue. You start doing things like clutch drops, rushing the gearbox, overev downshifts or money shift (shifting to 3rd by mistake instead of 5th), e-brake turns, slamming over track curbing, etc, then it's obviously going to increase the chance that you're actually going to brake something.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:20 PM   #22
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At autocross yesterday, there were FRS there with just upgraded summer tires. They were blowing the socks off most everyone! They were getting times down with a R35 GTR. Very impressive and simple. Shows you don't need mods if you have skill, a good chassis, and tires.

They were getting about 29-30 sec runs. I was getting 35 with a stage 2 WRX. lolz.
Always great to watch good handling cars (e.g. Miatas) destroy much more powerful cars on an autox course.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:52 PM   #23
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Stock dunlops are great? Man you need to try autocross. They SUCK!
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:05 PM   #24
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Stock dunlops are great? Man you need to try autocross. They SUCK!
Heh, I've done more than try auto-x, I've won at it. That said I'm done blowing a whole day just to run around picking up cones some no talent ass clown knocks over and only spend 3 minutes actually driving my car during which time I never get out of second gear.

Look, they're no Hankook RS3, but for street tires at a track day they worked awesome. They held up very well for 5 20 minute sessions and never lost grip as the session wore on or got greasy. Really nice tires for stock, and not what I'd expect from a sporty car at the price point.

They are certainly better than the old OE Bridgestone Potenza RE92s Subarus used to come with!
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:29 PM   #25
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Heh, I've done more than try auto-x, I've won at it. That said I'm done blowing a whole day just to run around picking up cones some no talent ass clown knocks over and only spend 3 minutes actually driving my car during which time I never get out of second gear.

Look, they're no Hankook RS3, but for street tires at a track day they worked awesome. They held up very well for 5 20 minute sessions and never lost grip as the session wore on or got greasy. Really nice tires for stock, and not what I'd expect from a sporty car at the price point.

They are certainly better than the old OE Bridgestone Potenza RE92s Subarus used to come with!
I too was impressed with the oem tires more than I expected actually esp coming from an 02 wrx back in the day.
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