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Old 04-24-2013, 03:15 PM   #1
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Question Yet another "what performance brake pads to get?" thread.

Ok gang,

I've read the faqs, done some searching, but there is so much to dig through that hards to make sense of it.

I fried my pads and fluid doing a trackday on my stock '13 WRX. I already changed the fluid for Motul RBF, but the pads still have got to go.

I'm looking for a pad that will tolerate the occasionaly track day better than stock but not be a terrible pad on the street. I can put up with some dust, but am hoping not to get something too noisy. I can even live with a little warm up before they reach optimum bite.

Seems like Carbotech gets a lot of love here, though I'm not quite sure what compound I should be using.

Any suggestions regarding those pads or a different brand from those that occasionaly track their cars and do things like rail canyons would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time!
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:22 PM   #2
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I switched to stoptech street performance for occasional track days. I tried them first mainly because they are inexpensive and not a "track only" pad. I have yet to overheat them after using them on 3 track days, but the initial bite is pretty strong causing my abs to kick in if I'm not careful with the brake. However, I've notices a lot of people don't use stoptech and use hawk pads instead, which they seem happy with.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:27 PM   #3
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Trip out, I didn't even know stoptech has their own pads.

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hawk pads
Wonder what Hawks they are using, because I don't like the HPS on the track and this was on a 2000lb VW Scirocco. I can't imagine them being better in a 3200lb WRX.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:31 PM   #4
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I believe the Bobcat is the least aggressive Carbotech pad, followed by the AX6. The Bobcat is billed as a street pad and the AX6 as an "autocross" compound, but I can't comment on their friction compared to other high performance street/hybrid pads (Ferodo DS2500, Porterfield R4S, Hawk HP+). I loved my DS2500 pads, but I knew they were gonna be dusty; noise was manageable.

My suggestion is NOT Hawk HP+. You will be severely disappointed if you want a low dust, low noise compound. I also hated mine compared to my DS2500 and R4S.

Talk to Ken at KNS Brakes, he knows his stuff.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:06 PM   #5
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WRX are heavy enough and have enough power that track day + street pads don't exist without major compromises.

Either you get a pad like HP+ or XP8 or XP10 that makes noise on the street and is sub par bite until warmed up, or you get a pad like HPS or Stoptech street performance that WILL fade on the track and probably get destroyed in one day.

The WRX rotor size is already marginal for track use. The pads will get hot. Serious tracking will go through rotors quick too.

Get track pads and plan on potentially needing a set of cheapy rotors afterwards. Swap back to stock pads when you change the rotors back.

Brakes are an issue for people driving WRX/STi hard. Especially the WRX sized rotors. People turn Brembos brown with the heat produced on stock STi power... the smaller and thinner WRX rotors don't have a chance. There are no corners to cut here. A dedicated set of track pads and rotors is the budget solution.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:14 PM   #6
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WRX are heavy enough and have enough power that track day + street pads don't exist without major compromises.

Either you get a pad like HP+ or XP8 or XP10 that makes noise on the street and is sub par bite until warmed up, or you get a pad like HPS or Stoptech street performance that WILL fade on the track and probably get destroyed in one day.

The WRX rotor size is already marginal for track use. The pads will get hot. Serious tracking will go through rotors quick too.

Get track pads and plan on potentially needing a set of cheapy rotors afterwards. Swap back to stock pads when you change the rotors back.

Brakes are an issue for people driving WRX/STi hard. Especially the WRX sized rotors. People turn Brembos brown with the heat produced on stock STi power... the smaller and thinner WRX rotors don't have a chance. There are no corners to cut here. A dedicated set of track pads and rotors is the budget solution.
Thanks for that great info.

I do know ultimately I will upgrade the brake system all together with different calipers, larger rotors and use dedicated pads for track use.

This pad swap is just a stop gap measure specifically to address the fried pads I have for right now. In that respect I'm more willing to have to deal with dust/noise/warm up than a pad that simply won't hack it on the track.

I'm looking forward to more responses but it does seem like carbotechs are the way to go so far.
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:47 AM   #7
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I just got a set of ebc bluestuff, I think they are concidered track pads but I havent had noise or dust with them. I havent taken them to a track but I did get them smokin' with some spirited driving without any fade.
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