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Old 04-22-2013, 10:05 PM   #26
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Aftermarket, used car warranties, from ANYWHERE but a factory are junk. They will fight you 100% of the way on any claim you make. They almost all have coverage limits that are well below the cost of the repair. They use junk parts or used parts as a matter of policy, not exception. Read the fine print and you'll find out.

Look at it this way: these companies that offer these warranties have to be making money right? How? I can assure you it's not by paying out for every broken 10+ year old POS car they "cover". Warrantying a 10+ year old car is a straight up money losing proposition (if they actually pay). I am not wrong in this.

Short story: I went to school with a guy who fell in love with a 2000 Mustang GT and bought it in 2007. He bought an aftermarket warranty for something like $2000 (in payments with the car, of course). He took a road trip from MI to WV and while down there, the motor blew on it. Catastrophic failure, entire motor was toast. First they wouldn't cover towing to a nearby shop. After he paid that, they fought over cause of the failure and true cost of the repair (is a new motor REALLY needed?). Then they argued over the shop the car was at. Meanwhile he had to RENT A CAR with his own money to finish the trip and drive back to Michigan. Then he got to pay to ship the car back to MI. And the best part? They paid $2000 towards the motor and he paid the rest. Nice. So basically he paid $2000 into a "savings account" but the warranty company got to make the interest on his money. Sweet. Good deal.
which is why tomorrow Im having more test done on the car at FAT. I rather have them overlook it last and make sure its good. If not then it goes straight back to the dealership! I hope it gets a clean bill also. The car drives phenomenally and has no stutter or issues in any gear, but the motor, tranny, clutch all are around 20k miles. So thats probably why. IDK I will let everyone know if its a keeper or a crapper tomorrow.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:12 PM   #27
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Be careful the car has some history to it, but at the end of the day you will make the decision. Best of luck
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:14 PM   #28
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This is not a great idea. This car will likely be nothing but trouble. Why in hell would you have the dealer pull the motor, tear it down, and replace the head gaskets for no reason? I'll bet my paycheck that they will screw something up along the way leaving you with more headache. Any it will be awesome if they end up using some ****ty aftermarket headgasket. Because those work great in these cars.
Or they may do nothing and hold the car for a day and send you on your way. Used car sales places are the worst. They prey on guys JUST LIKE YOU. In love with a car and desperate for financing.

Also, there's nothing like adding financing charges to an overpriced car. One that has a spotty past, is in questionable condition, and was admittedly a trouble for the previous owner.

But yeah, good luck. We may all be wrong. But I personally would be VERY sure you're not talking yourself into this thing. I would make sure you have enough money set aside for SIGNIFICANT repairs when they come (think $2K+). I hope you talked them down to $8000 or so. Tops. And you better learn to do repairs on your own. These cars, especially with that past and age, will need it.
i edited my post. My mind was scattered at work and I didnt mean to write i tlaked them into the gaskets..my bad. Definitely was working, talking to a buddy who works on these daily and typing this on my lunch break...sorry about that.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:17 PM   #29
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Just for reference, I just bought an 05 LGT from out of state. Subaru dealer there did inspection and they said it was a great car. Checked all green boxes on every line on the paper. Car gets here and I have my local oil change peeps take a look. Turns out needs a CV boot(could have happened in the 200miles I put on it), an alternator belt, and the control arm bushings are shot. That and a retune, $971 later I should be good.

All I'm saying is the car prob has some other issues that hopefully FAT can find. Not every shop will always find every little thing, so like others have said be ready to fix something pretty soon and hope the warranty covers it.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:51 PM   #30
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good luck with the car. if you're in love with the car then you're in love with the car, nothing wrong with loving a car but be smart and walk away if it's not the one, don't let people screw you just because you like a car. at the end of the day they go home and you go home, except you're in the hole a couple extra grand and for what? impatience? Just be smart is all we're saying. Don't take this as negativity, we all just want the best for one another.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:32 AM   #31
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Well I took the car back. Long hard thinking and its back at the dealership. My credit is awesome and I rather wait. There is one that I saw on cl for cheaper. Less miles and needs little things.

I really want to sincerely thank all of you for your valuable input. It was my favorite color and year but I rather get one for less.

I'm looking for a bugeye, so anyone start recommending them and pm me links.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:05 AM   #32
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oh and better yet..when I returned the car they wouldnt give me a ride back to my house which was 1.5 miles away..so I used my good ol' two feet and walked my happy a** home lol
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:24 AM   #33
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Sounds like a real quality dealer that wanted to earn your business on a different car... Not.

Good luck with your search. I have been looking for scoobys since November. Was outbid for the first one I found (which in hindsight was one of if not the nicest I found), passed on one that had a bad compression test, passed on 3 other without even getting an inspection, found an awesome LgT wagon I bought and then was totaled 58 days later by some idiot turning left into me in an intersection, then passed on 3-4 more before I found the one I have now all the way in New Jersey. The search is half the fun to a point, be patient, the right car will pop up, and you may have to go out of state. I found a bunch in Colorado and Seattle but there is a premium for Subaru in both those areas which led me to NJ where they are actually slightly undervalued in comparison.

Good luck and keep us posted, we are here to help!
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:03 AM   #34
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most definitely. Ive been searching for awhile now. Lived in WA and had my GC8 that I sold up there, then had my 05 sti i soild here in AZ, along with both my s2000's and some more fun cars in the past few years. Ill keep ya posted and now searching all around for the right one but less then half of the banana lol
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:18 AM   #35
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Last edited by Steye05; 04-24-2013 at 01:46 AM. Reason: deleted post so there is no further confusion to what car I'm referring to as the new one I found on 4.23.13
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:09 AM   #36
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oh and better yet..when I returned the car they wouldnt give me a ride back to my house which was 1.5 miles away..so I used my good ol' two feet and walked my happy a** home lol
B*st*rds. I learned a lot from this thread (thanks!) and I'll keep an eye out for ya.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:49 PM   #37
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Saw this one today and went to go check it out. Obviously talked them down. The car is ONE OWNER, clean title, no accidents, all matching VIN, 122,059 miles.

Here is what I saw the car had (it was currently getting a front drivers wheel bearing and seal replaced since it was not top shape) that I noticed when they let me inspect the car on the lift.

Helix down pipe ($250)
Helix uppipe (?)
full tanabe super medallion exhaust ($660) ugly fart can look but id take it off
Full Tein adjustable coilovers ($1100)
Radiator is new
New radiator hoses
The dealership fixed the valve cover leak (it was slightly leaking)
All new brake pads from subaru they put on while i was there
New Rotors
Tires had at least 90% left on them
No paint blemishes
Stock Motor
No rust
NO ACCIDENTS
New tint

I got them down to $9500 end of deal. It books for $8550. The doc fee, state and local tax, and license added up to $1,539. My payment would be $75 less then the Sonic yellow monthly and this car is in way better shape. Over all this car looked in damn good shape compared to the other 10+ ive seen and looked at.

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK??????


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Old 04-23-2013, 10:05 PM   #38
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Looks nice from the 3 pics and sounds like a better deal since you're looking for a bugeye.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:16 PM   #39
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Looks nice from the 3 pics and sounds like a better deal since you're looking for a bugeye.
The pics are crap. The car is super clean and detailed nicely. The pics don't do justice because when I saw them online the it looks crappy but when I went in person I was shocked on the condition. No rips in any seat. No carpet wear. Lol not a big deal but I look into everything.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:17 PM   #40
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I need opinions brothers and sisters from on here
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:25 PM   #41
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A dealership can not legally sell that car without cats in the factory locations, and it doesn't sounds like this has all of them, if any. If they are still willing to sell it though, it does raise questions about if the car is tuned for the mods AND what else the dealership has done 'under the table' that they won't tell you. While it is cool that it has Teins, how are the seals? New radiator, hoses, and fixed valve cover leak tells me it may have had a pretty serious over-heat. So, the car *might* be worth the 8,xxx that it books out at, but you are paying $9500. It sounds to me like you are getting antsy to get into a new car and pushing aside some logic to feel good about it. While I completely understand the desire to do so, if you can wait longer, i would. Not a flame, just my .02.

BTW, it is only worth $8,5xx if the condition is as you say AND it has most service records (especially major ones like the timing belt).

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Old 04-23-2013, 10:39 PM   #42
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I'd feel comfortable getting that car if it passed a leakdown/compression test.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:58 PM   #43
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A dealership can not legally sell that car without cats in the factory locations, and it doesn't sounds like this has all of them, if any. If they are still willing to sell it though, it does raise questions about if the car is tuned for the mods AND what else the dealership has done 'under the table' that they won't tell you. While it is cool that it has Teins, how are the seals? New radiator, hoses, and fixed valve cover leak tells me it may have had a pretty serious over-heat. So, the car *might* be worth the 8,xxx that it books out at, but you are paying $9500. It sounds to me like you are getting antsy to get into a new car and pushing aside some logic to feel good about it. While I completely understand the desire to do so, if you can wait longer, i would. Not a flame, just my .02.

BTW, it is only worth $8,5xx if the condition is as you say AND it has most service records (especially major ones like the timing belt).
I'm simply just posting what I am finding and telling you all about them to get your opinions. Not jumping or getting antsy..yet lol but I have a brand new car already so this wrx or any other would be fun car. All service records are there. It passed emissions already with what's on the car. Tomorrow ill test drive since today I couldn't. Ill reset the computer and see how it does. Then send it to my buddy rich at camelback Subaru and FAT.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:59 PM   #44
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I'd feel comfortable getting that car if it passed a leakdown/compression test.
Thanks for the honest opinion. Means a lot :-)
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:42 AM   #45
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I gotta ask, how bad was it wrecked? Why else would you have black fender, black hood, black bumper, and blue fender on the other side. I'm trying to figure out why you keep finding these wrecked cars and getting excited about them?

Not trying to be mean, just can't quite figure out why anyone would want a mispainted car?

Edit: just realized there was a 3rd link to a silver wagon. Much better. That blue one was a waste of time to even go look at IMO.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:16 AM   #46
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I gotta ask, how bad was it wrecked? Why else would you have black fender, black hood, black bumper, and blue fender on the other side. I'm trying to figure out why you keep finding these wrecked cars and getting excited about them?

Not trying to be mean, just can't quite figure out why anyone would want a mispainted car?

Edit: just realized there was a 3rd link to a silver wagon. Much better. That blue one was a waste of time to even go look at IMO.
Thanks for realizing you were talking about the wrong one lol and those were all reasons about that messed up blue one I didn't care for. The silver wagon seems pretty good but I never get my hopes up ya know. Just looking and picking what's good. With the help of you all.

Oh and the blue one drove to me
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:29 PM   #47
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glad you went with your head instead of your heart. I know it's hard to resist a new toy, but in the long run it's well worth finding the right one
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Just for everyone's FYI, unless you are doing special financing (like Mr. Ed, or " we finance anyone" at 20-30% short term) than most likely you can get financed at bank to buy a car private party.

Most of what a dealership does is look at your credit and decide the best bank to try to get a loan approved. That's why sometimes someone has to resign and maybe put more money down, because they bought the car when the banks are closed, then when the banks opened and, they ask for more money down.

I would recommend anyone purchasing a car to call credit unions, USAA, etc and try to get a loan straight through the bank.

Also if you goto a dealership and they say, " we got you approved at B of A" for example, you are all ready approved because the dealer all ready submitted your info, you should just be able to call B of A directly and get a loan for a private party car. Same with wells, desert schls fed, chase, etc etc.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:43 PM   #49
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Just for everyone's FYI, unless you are doing special financing (like Mr. Ed, or " we finance anyone" at 20-30% short term) than most likely you can get financed at bank to buy a car private party.

Most of what a dealership does is look at your credit and decide the best bank to try to get a loan approved. That's why sometimes someone has to resign and maybe put more money down, because they bought the car when the banks are closed, then when the banks opened and, they ask for more money down.

I would recommend anyone purchasing a car to call credit unions, USAA, etc and try to get a loan straight through the bank.

Also if you goto a dealership and they say, " we got you approved at B of A" for example, you are all ready approved because the dealer all ready submitted your info, you should just be able to call B of A directly and get a loan for a private party car. Same with wells, desert schls fed, chase, etc etc.
this is true, but yet why if I call USAA I cant get a loan, but when they did I could????hhmmmm interesting. I know what you're saying but somehow and sometimes it doesn't work that way. I have my insurance with USAA and had two auto loans before so it should be easier with them, but nope its not for some reason. Oh and my credit score is 728 now, back then when I got the other loans it was almost 100 points less. IDK its weird.
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They are lying to you, no dealership in town has agreements with USAA. If anyone had gotten a loan through a dealer, its because the finance guy went onto the site and applied online as a customer, versus using the dealer software just for dealers to submit deals.

Call USAA and tell them you got approved at a dealer, they will tell you they do not work with any of them.

Do you currently have an auto loan with USAA? They don't like to do two auto loans at all.
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