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Old 04-30-2013, 11:31 AM   #26
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The only ones lasting 100k are taken care of by a professional mechanic who owns it, or are unmolested and driven by pansies who never open it up. in that case I would shell out decent money for one.


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Right there shows how little you know. I'm not a 'professional mechanic' and my 08 STi lasted 115k hard-ish miles (stage 2) before I pulled the perfectly good running motor to replace with a built block. Compresion on all 4 cylinders was well within spec.

My 04 WRX was stage 2 for 110k miles before I sold it. I believe the current owner is still on the stock long block.
What does your STi have to do with an RX-7?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:35 AM   #27
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i probably should have also pointed out the FD3s, horribly unreliable but iconic and has the reputation of being one of the purest sports cars in the world and holds its value so well that finding a pristine one would cost you almost retail price.

Last I checked they go for 12-40k still depending on condition and mileage. That backs up my assertion that reliability don't mean a damn thing on the value of the vehicle, its supply and demand. Each facelift for the GD only had 2 years running with small changes here and there which also bumps up the value.

The only ones lasting 100k are taken care of by a professional mechanic who owns it, or are unmolested and driven by pansies who never open it up. in that case I would shell out decent money for one.
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What does your STi have to do with an RX-7?

Lrn2Corner. If you were referring to an RX-7 and 100K reliability, massive apologies. I thought you jumped back to STIs with that statement.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:54 AM   #28
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Simple. Don't let it idle for a long time and avoid cruise control for the first 1000ish miles.
Ah, ok. Didn't realize it was for break-in, which makes sense. I thought it was a suggestion for the life of the car, which I'd never heard before. Most of the time I'll let the car warm up for about 2 minutes, then keep it out of boost as much as possible and under 3k until it's at operating temp. I used to let it warm up to operating temp every day when I bought the car (winter).
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #29
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First I've heard of this, could you explain?
Cold starts with cold oil followed by idling causes wear on the engine. Ideally, you want to reduce the time it takes for your oil to get up to temp to minimize the length of time your motor is being lubricated by cold oil.

Idling the car heats up the engine (note, not trans, differentials, tires, etc.), but it does it slowly. Starting the car, setting your music, putting on your seatbelt, etc. then easily driving away (read as: not going over 3,000 rpm) will warm up the engine (AND trans, differentials, tires, etc.) FASTER than if you were to just idle the car to operating temp. Thus reducing the window of time your motor is lubricated by cold oil.

This is not to say you should turn on your car and romp it onto the highway. Don't do that. Ideally, you should have an oil temperature gauge that will tell you when your oil is up to temp. DO NOT go by your coolant temperature gauge... Your oil will heat up at a different rate than your coolant.
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #30
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The only ones lasting 100k are taken care of by a professional mechanic who owns it, or are unmolested and driven by pansies who never open it up. in that case I would shell out decent money for one.




What does your STi have to do with an RX-7?
Uhhhhh we're talking about STi's?
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:17 PM   #31
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Ah, ok. Didn't realize it was for break-in, which makes sense. I thought it was a suggestion for the life of the car, which I'd never heard before. Most of the time I'll let the car warm up for about 2 minutes, then keep it out of boost as much as possible and under 3k until it's at operating temp. I used to let it warm up to operating temp every day when I bought the car (winter).
It's not just for break-in.
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:42 PM   #32
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The only ones lasting 100k are taken care of by a professional mechanic who owns it, or are unmolested and driven by pansies who never open it up. in that case I would shell out decent money for one.




What does your STi have to do with an RX-7?
ROfl are you for real? I've had mine since it had 12 miles on the odometer and I run it hard quite a bit. I don't drive like an asshat but the thing sees boost every day. That being said, it's been the most reliable car I've owned and is right at 112k. I did lose my head gasket recently and had to replace it, but I chalk that up to running at stage 2+ for 80,000 trouble free miles. Replaced head gasket and the car runs like new once more.

These things are very reliable fun power with proper maintenance and a good driver. Anyone that says otherwise went cheap on mods, can't drive, or didn't tune their car properly. (or a combination of all three)

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Old 04-30-2013, 01:11 PM   #33
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Cold starts with cold oil followed by idling causes wear on the engine. Ideally, you want to reduce the time it takes for your oil to get up to temp to minimize the length of time your motor is being lubricated by cold oil.

Idling the car heats up the engine (note, not trans, differentials, tires, etc.), but it does it slowly. Starting the car, setting your music, putting on your seatbelt, etc. then easily driving away (read as: not going over 3,000 rpm) will warm up the engine (AND trans, differentials, tires, etc.) FASTER than if you were to just idle the car to operating temp. Thus reducing the window of time your motor is lubricated by cold oil.

This is not to say you should turn on your car and romp it onto the highway. Don't do that. Ideally, you should have an oil temperature gauge that will tell you when your oil is up to temp. DO NOT go by your coolant temperature gauge... Your oil will heat up at a different rate than your coolant.
Awesome, learned something new today. Thanks!
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:35 PM   #34
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Lrn2Corner. If you were referring to an RX-7 and 100K reliability, massive apologies. I thought you jumped back to STIs with that statement.
Bingo on the rx7 thing. Apex seals of win lol.
My point being reliability has no bearing on resale value. Also to anyone saying they are stage 2 for x miles tell me how often you track or autox the car. Betting its a dd for most of you and the only stress they go through is from highway pulls or some spirited back roads trips.

The guys blowing sti motors are beating them beyond typical public road driving or they have a bad tune or race without a good aos/oil catch can. 100k hard miles doesn't mean anything unless you're beating the snot out of the engine every gear and are driving like an asshat.

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Old 04-30-2013, 01:49 PM   #35
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Starting the car, setting your music, putting on your seatbelt, etc. then easily driving away (read as: not going over 3,000 rpm) will warm up the engine (AND trans, differentials, tires, etc.) FASTER than if you were to just idle the car to operating temp. Thus reducing the window of time your motor is lubricated by cold oil.
This is what I've done every day since I drove my car home from the dealership with 6 miles on the ODO. I'm in So Cal and I don't have to deal with the cold temps a lot of you deal with, but I'm still very careful to let my engine and transmission warm up fully before driving in a "spirited" manner. No problems whatsoever with my car, so far.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:45 PM   #36
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Bingo on the rx7 thing. Apex seals of win lol.
My point being reliability has no bearing on resale value. Also to anyone saying they are stage 2 for x miles tell me how often you track or autox the car. Betting its a dd for most of you and the only stress they go through is from highway pulls or some spirited back roads trips.

The guys blowing sti motors are beating them beyond typical public road driving or they have a bad tune or race without a good aos/oil catch can. 100k hard miles doesn't mean anything unless you're beating the snot out of the engine every gear and are driving like an asshat.

Now that is incorrect though. Subaru has a reputation for reliability. Toyota and Honda do as well. That is definitely one factor of a resale value. Is it the only one? Obviously not, but someone looking for a used vehicle most certainly considers if it is known to be a reliable car... and if it is, it would be a more sought after car, making it more valuable.
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This is what I've done every day since I drove my car home from the dealership with 6 miles on the ODO. I'm in So Cal and I don't have to deal with the cold temps a lot of you deal with, but I'm still very careful to let my engine and transmission warm up fully before driving in a "spirited" manner. No problems whatsoever with my car, so far.
I am the same way. I live in PA so we can see temps around 0 on occasion, but I do the same thing... even in summertime. I only have approximately 17,000 miles on my WRX, but I haven't had any major failures yet.
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Lot's of misinformation in this thread. All used cars have risks and I wouldn't consider a 2011 STI reliable compared to say a Civic or Camry. It's higher maintenance and more things can go wrong. The engine is the weakest part of the car (IMO amongst the weakest turbocharged engines on the market period) and I advise you to join iwsti.com for a less biased take on the cars. You will see in the engine section that lots of engines don't make it to 50,000 miles before failing and there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the failures. Some are stock, some stage 1, some stage 2, etc. Don't listen to fanboys. Do the research yourself and make your own educated decision.
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Lot's of misinformation in this thread. All used cars have risks and I wouldn't consider a 2011 STI reliable compared to say a Civic or Camry. It's higher maintenance and more things can go wrong. The engine is the weakest part of the car (IMO amongst the weakest turbocharged engines on the market period) and I advise you to join iwsti.com for a less biased take on the cars. You will see in the engine section that lots of engines don't make it to 50,000 miles before failing and there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the failures. Some are stock, some stage 1, some stage 2, etc. Don't listen to fanboys. Do the research yourself and make your own educated decision.

I agree with your second statement. Wasn't comparing.

Now. In that "lots of engines don't make it to 50,000", what is the percentage compared to how many are actually sold and DO make it past 50,000. My argument has always been that this problem is not as big as these forums make them out to be. One is because I firmly believe a lot of folks get on here and misrepresent how they treat their cars or what they have done to them. Not saying every "failure" was modded, just that it's not as big a problem as made out to be.
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Lot's of misinformation in this thread. All used cars have risks and I wouldn't consider a 2011 STI reliable compared to say a Civic or Camry. It's higher maintenance and more things can go wrong. The engine is the weakest part of the car (IMO amongst the weakest turbocharged engines on the market period) and I advise you to join iwsti.com for a less biased take on the cars. You will see in the engine section that lots of engines don't make it to 50,000 miles before failing and there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the failures. Some are stock, some stage 1, some stage 2, etc. Don't listen to fanboys. Do the research yourself and make your own educated decision.
I agree with this. IWSTI has some good threads on engine failures. I would also advise OP to look through the following the thread for a bit.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...240471&page=49

That will give you some background on what fails on 08+ cars. This may begin to scare you, but just remember these are dedicated threads of failures. No one has an accurate percentage of how many cars fail. No one creates threads to say, "yup running fine." Where as someone has an engine failure and first response is to create a thread and say every car in the model year is doomed.

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I agree with your second statement. Wasn't comparing.

Now. In that "lots of engines don't make it to 50,000", what is the percentage compared to how many are actually sold and DO make it past 50,000. My argument has always been that this problem is not as big as these forums make them out to be. One is because I firmly believe a lot of folks get on here and misrepresent how they treat their cars or what they have done to them. Not saying every "failure" was modded, just that it's not as big a problem as made out to be.
This is what I was getting at. Thank you.
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Well, at least it doesn't have one of these.
I wish we had spinning Doritos of failure.
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The most irritating thing about this place or iWSTi is you have vocal MINORITY of people that insist on trolling boards 24/7 with how bad THEIR ONE OFF experience was and touting it as a chronic issue with the entire lineup of cars. This is in contrast to the huge base of people that drive and enjoy all manner of Subaru's including the STi/WRX without issues and for many many many miles.

My car STILL runs like new with 112k on the clock of spirited driving. I've never had such a reliable, fun, and practical car in my whole life.
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Thank you again for the replies guys,its appreciated. But just so I am understanding this correctly, it is common that guys are paying 35k for a car that can't make it to 50,000 mi on a stock car? That is down right troubling if thats the case, and something that does not happen in the Audi world. I looked through the mx schedule of the sti and i see nothing different than any other turbo-charged performance car. I have no interest in buying a car if the block wont take 150k on it on a stock car.
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Thank you again for the replies guys,its appreciated. But just so I am understanding this correctly, it is common that guys are paying 35k for a car that can't make it to 50,000 mi on a stock car? That is down right troubling if thats the case, and something that does not happen in the Audi world. I looked through the mx schedule of the sti and i see nothing different than any other turbo-charged performance car. I have no interest in buying a car if the block wont take 150k on it on a stock car.
No it's not common. The people in this thread who say it is have absolutely no proof to back their misinformation with. There are far more people driving WRX/STIs out there with no failures than there are that have experienced failures. Those who do not experience failures do not post that they've had no failures. Doing so would be silly and fill this forum with worthless posts.

If you want us to guarantee the car you purchase will go 150K miles with no failures, you're being extremely naive. Cars are mechanical. They break eventually. It's going to happen. Whether it's at 1K, 10K or 150K is unknown. Subarus are not notorious for breaking early. Just as Toyotas, Hondas, etc, etc are not. Assuming they are all properly maintained.

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I work in the business of complaints, and people don't complain when things are normal. That being said, the handful of people with bad experiences are going to talk about it while the vast majority who aren't having problems simply don't say anything.

It doesn't rule out that what happened to them cannot happen to you. It's still a possibility, but the odds are very uncertain.
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The most irritating thing about this place or iWSTi is you have vocal MINORITY of people that insist on trolling boards 24/7 with how bad THEIR ONE OFF experience was and touting it as a chronic issue with the entire lineup of cars. This is in contrast to the huge base of people that drive and enjoy all manner of Subaru's including the STi/WRX without issues and for many many many miles.

My car STILL runs like new with 112k on the clock of spirited driving. I've never had such a reliable, fun, and practical car in my whole life.
Agreed! My 115K mile '08 STi is the best car I have ever owned.
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I love my 13 Sti. Only 920 miles so far but by far the best car I've owned, and I've had alot!
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Prepare yourself!!!! You ringland is going to fail at 924 miles!!!
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