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Old 03-05-2011, 11:24 AM   #1
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Default E85 availibility??????

What the hell is going to take to get some stations here in the kitsap, pierce, king counties? Do I need to buy the friggen staions in order to get it brought in? I am at a loss as I need to travel an hour in order to find it and I will need to keep 2, 55 gallon drums in my garage? Can we start a petition or maybe even get the military bases to open up thier pumps to the public? Any suggestions??? C'mon lets start buying american made renewable, resources and higher octane
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Old 03-05-2011, 12:01 PM   #2
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Buy this man a Miller!
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Old 03-05-2011, 12:18 PM   #3
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This is exciting if it all works out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_829057.html
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Old 03-05-2011, 01:43 PM   #4
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I'm with you on this one!! The only one I know if is in smokey point and south of there you have to go over an hour to find another one. If the 100 octane at the shell by my house was the same price I wouldnt bitch lol
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:30 PM   #5
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I'm with you!

If we had E85 here in Tualatin, which is walking distance to Surgeline Tuning, life would be wonderful and I'm sure it would be frequented by nearly everyone from Surgeline...
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:37 AM   #6
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Only one I know on the Eastside is the Shell in Snoqualmie Ridge (a newer station). I agree, this is pretty sad!
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:46 AM   #7
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What the hell is going to take to get some stations here in the kitsap, pierce, king counties? Do I need to buy the friggen staions in order to get it brought in? I am at a loss as I need to travel an hour in order to find it and I will need to keep 2, 55 gallon drums in my garage? Can we start a petition or maybe even get the military bases to open up thier pumps to the public? Any suggestions??? C'mon lets start buying american made renewable, resources and higher octane

You're joking right? You do realize that ethanol production takes more energy and wastes more farm land and resources than anything the tree hugging retards have ever come up with right?

You are have been mislead.
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:58 AM   #8
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using food to make fuel doesnt make sence to me....

(PS) there is a E85 station less then 1 mile from my house...
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:25 AM   #9
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You're joking right? You do realize that ethanol production takes more energy and wastes more farm land and resources than anything the tree hugging retards have ever come up with right?

You are have been mislead.
Why are you in the NWIC now?

They don't want E85 to save polar bears, they want it to make more power.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:56 AM   #10
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You're joking right? You do realize that ethanol production takes more energy and wastes more farm land and resources than anything the tree hugging retards have ever come up with right?

You are have been mislead.

This is a discussion about wanting it not how its made but I will humor you for a moment. Corn is NOT the only way it is made, grasses, and large algea plants are far more effective. Farm land you say? Why does the fedral goverment pay farmers to NOT grow and tens of thousands of acres sit. Its proven there are celulose grasses that can be harvested many times over a year and produces many more gallons of ethanol than corn as well. If my statements are false (which they are not) why has big oil like exxon built huge algea facilities to try to refine the science of it?

Dont get me wrong YES it will be expensive, Yes it is somewhat difficult now to produce, but any new large product will be until the demand and processes are refined. It is NOT the long term answer but mearly a step to one. For christ sake you say impossible? Then how does Brazil do it? The run on ethanol and sell us they're crude oil.

My reasons for wanting E85 are two fold, FIRST we need to be American made and American bought. End this China, Middle east dependance. Heck we have more crude in Alaska that has not been touched and is part of our reserves than most Americans can imagine.

Second, I want it for performance reasons. No need to go further on this one. If you knew me you would obviously see I am very far from being a tree hugger. I am mearly a realist and a patriotic individual that wishes to see America pull its head out of its arse...
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:45 PM   #11
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I'm with you!

If we had E85 here in Tualatin, which is walking distance to Surgeline Tuning, life would be wonderful and I'm sure it would be frequented by nearly everyone from Surgeline...
+1 for Tualatin
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Old 03-06-2011, 03:29 PM   #12
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This is a discussion about wanting it not how its made but I will humor you for a moment. Corn is NOT the only way it is made, grasses, and large algea plants are far more effective. Farm land you say? Why does the fedral goverment pay farmers to NOT grow and tens of thousands of acres sit. Its proven there are celulose grasses that can be harvested many times over a year and produces many more gallons of ethanol than corn as well. If my statements are false (which they are not) why has big oil like exxon built huge algea facilities to try to refine the science of it?

Dont get me wrong YES it will be expensive, Yes it is somewhat difficult now to produce, but any new large product will be until the demand and processes are refined. It is NOT the long term answer but mearly a step to one. For christ sake you say impossible? Then how does Brazil do it? The run on ethanol and sell us they're crude oil.

My reasons for wanting E85 are two fold, FIRST we need to be American made and American bought. End this China, Middle east dependance. Heck we have more crude in Alaska that has not been touched and is part of our reserves than most Americans can imagine.

Second, I want it for performance reasons. No need to go further on this one. If you knew me you would obviously see I am very far from being a tree hugger. I am mearly a realist and a patriotic individual that wishes to see America pull its head out of its arse...
Yes...yes....aaaaand yes.
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Old 03-06-2011, 04:52 PM   #13
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If you guys read the link I posted you would see that a company called Joule Unlimited claims they can produce mass amounts of diesel and ethanol without using biomass. All they need is sun, water and Co2.

That's what I'm talking about.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:44 PM   #14
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At the rate the premium petroleum fuel prices are going, alternative fuels (e85) seem like the way to go even if they are expensive technologies. Im all ready paying 4.00$/gal for ****ty ass 92 octane.
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:46 PM   #15
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Yeah...I know of a couple stations in lacey and tumwater that have e85. I might make the switch soon.
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:57 PM   #16
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Please tell me where these stations are. I thought the closest one was puyallup
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:09 PM   #17
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I get my e85 at snoqualmie... Right now it is 45 cents cheaper than 92oct!
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:15 PM   #18
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I'm concerned with the ones in tumwater
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I've been using the Shell in Snoqualmie Ridge for about 3 years...no problems there.
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:27 PM   #20
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This is a discussion about wanting it not how its made but I will humor you for a moment. Corn is NOT the only way it is made, grasses, and large algea plants are far more effective. Farm land you say? Why does the fedral goverment pay farmers to NOT grow and tens of thousands of acres sit. Its proven there are celulose grasses that can be harvested many times over a year and produces many more gallons of ethanol than corn as well. If my statements are false (which they are not) why has big oil like exxon built huge algea facilities to try to refine the science of it?

Dont get me wrong YES it will be expensive, Yes it is somewhat difficult now to produce, but any new large product will be until the demand and processes are refined. It is NOT the long term answer but mearly a step to one. For christ sake you say impossible? Then how does Brazil do it? The run on ethanol and sell us they're crude oil.

My reasons for wanting E85 are two fold, FIRST we need to be American made and American bought. End this China, Middle east dependance. Heck we have more crude in Alaska that has not been touched and is part of our reserves than most Americans can imagine.

Second, I want it for performance reasons. No need to go further on this one. If you knew me you would obviously see I am very far from being a tree hugger. I am mearly a realist and a patriotic individual that wishes to see America pull its head out of its arse...
It's pathetic that these points about farmland use, dependence on Arabian sources and heads in arses aren't obvious to everyone.

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Old 03-07-2011, 02:34 PM   #21
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Blinders man, if Americans dont have a issue staring them right in thier face and effecting thier next five mins of planning thier day out they dont care. Either we figure this out and understand our creature comforts can end in the near future or we will be scavanging food just to survive when another nation walks over the top of us. Dont laugh it is more a reality than you can ever imagine.

Personnaly, end the picketing of fallin soldiers funerals or arrest them for treason. Get back to basics and keep us on the top of innovation. Become self resourcefull for our daily needs.

Oh ya I want E85 for more powa!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:38 PM   #22
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the one in tumwater is down the street from the dairy queen...and the lacey one was at the shell by dq and taco time on pacific. they had e85 last summer. should still have it.
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This is a discussion about wanting it not how its made but I will humor you for a moment. Corn is NOT the only way it is made, grasses, and large algea plants are far more effective. Farm land you say? Why does the fedral goverment pay farmers to NOT grow and tens of thousands of acres sit. Its proven there are celulose grasses that can be harvested many times over a year and produces many more gallons of ethanol than corn as well. If my statements are false (which they are not) why has big oil like exxon built huge algea facilities to try to refine the science of it?

Dont get me wrong YES it will be expensive, Yes it is somewhat difficult now to produce, but any new large product will be until the demand and processes are refined. It is NOT the long term answer but mearly a step to one. For christ sake you say impossible? Then how does Brazil do it? The run on ethanol and sell us they're crude oil.

My reasons for wanting E85 are two fold, FIRST we need to be American made and American bought. End this China, Middle east dependance. Heck we have more crude in Alaska that has not been touched and is part of our reserves than most Americans can imagine.

Second, I want it for performance reasons. No need to go further on this one. If you knew me you would obviously see I am very far from being a tree hugger. I am mearly a realist and a patriotic individual that wishes to see America pull its head out of its arse...
Agreed on all accounts. Not to mention, E85 can be made by cane sugar which ironically, the US does happen to produce a little bit of the stuff.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:51 PM   #24
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This is a discussion about wanting it not how its made but I will humor you for a moment. Corn is NOT the only way it is made, grasses, and large algea plants are far more effective. Farm land you say? Why does the fedral goverment pay farmers to NOT grow and tens of thousands of acres sit. Its proven there are celulose grasses that can be harvested many times over a year and produces many more gallons of ethanol than corn as well. If my statements are false (which they are not) why has big oil like exxon built huge algea facilities to try to refine the science of it?

Dont get me wrong YES it will be expensive, Yes it is somewhat difficult now to produce, but any new large product will be until the demand and processes are refined. It is NOT the long term answer but mearly a step to one. For christ sake you say impossible? Then how does Brazil do it? The run on ethanol and sell us they're crude oil.

My reasons for wanting E85 are two fold, FIRST we need to be American made and American bought. End this China, Middle east dependance. Heck we have more crude in Alaska that has not been touched and is part of our reserves than most Americans can imagine.

Second, I want it for performance reasons. No need to go further on this one. If you knew me you would obviously see I am very far from being a tree hugger. I am mearly a realist and a patriotic individual that wishes to see America pull its head out of its arse...

Fair enough, I misunderstood the reasoning's behind the OP. You have a valid argument, but in the mean time we're suffering because the farmers are switching to growing corn because of .gov subsidies and producing less domestic food = higher prices for us .
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Fair enough, I misunderstood the reasoning's behind the OP. You have a valid argument, but in the mean time we're suffering because the farmers are switching to growing corn because of .gov subsidies and producing less domestic food = higher prices for us .
You're right. Let's buy foreign oil, thus giving money to people like Kadhafi and Ahmadinejad instead

The not-farming subsidy was meant to artificially inflate the price of corn. If we just got rid of that, then we could have cheaper food and our own source of fuel.

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