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Old 05-07-2013, 02:30 PM   #26
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The fact that you think they are "bad decisions" shows that you like to play into stereotypes.
They exist because they are statistically significant. As ignorant as it is to assume everyone is like the stereotype without giving them a chance first, if I were asked to guess one way or another, I'd choose the one with the most likelihood.

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A larger percentage of convertible buyers are women, but not the 99% that you think.
It's not about convertible one way or another. It's about people buying what looks like a sporty car and has a drop top versus an actually sporty car that happens to be a vert because someone likes verts. I still don't approve of convertibles, because race car reasons, and I hate the fact that mine is.

It's along the same lines as people who think any of the new eclipses are true sports cars. They're garbage cars that look sporty, not sports cars. Women just happen to be okay with this on a much higher average than men.

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I've seen plenty of men driving down the road in convertibles. And i know several that are perfectly straight, but love their convertibles.
Completely beside my point, which is

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Man, for $30k you are so close to buying an STI or EVO X. Or you can just buy a fully loaded WRX. Or spend much less and buy a Fiat Abarth, FRS, BRZ or something else. Why would someone want to buy one of these for $30k???
Because some women will love it irregardless of that and will buy it for <insert stupid reason>.


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I find it ironic that you own an S2000 yet still believe the stereotype.
I hate convertibles. I hate my convertible. I love everything else about the car enough to see past it, because the fact that it is a convertible doesn't hinder it like it would most other cars, though every single day I wonder how much better it would have been if offered as a true hard-top. Sad we'll never know because it never was .

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I want a 1969 Alfa Duetto..

Guess that makes me a girl.
Was that car offered hard top? Plus, you wouldn't dilute yourself about the car being something it's not, having been duped by marketing and a salesman who convinced you that the car is an awesome performance machine, which is how I envision every v6 stang getting sold. I only afford you this because I know you're a true enthusiast, despite your latest transgressions of being ok with an auto
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:03 PM   #27
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What is with your hate on the V6 mustang? For what it is, with the performance pack, and at its price, it is a decent performer. Not perfect by any means and hefty, it does have some impressive numbers, except weight.

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Old 05-07-2013, 03:48 PM   #28
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What is with your hate on the V6 mustang? For what it is, with the performance pack, and at its price, it is a decent performer. Not perfect by any means and hefty, it does have some impressive numbers, except weight.
Oh my goodness. I would have been better just saying women buyers. People are inferring all kinds of things I didn't say. I have no problems with v6 + track pack. It's a fine car for its price. The v6 vert stang is entirely missing the point of a sports car and is more along the lines of people who just want looks and things that have nothing to do with performance. Essentially, they think it's cool, but have no idea why. Like my mom buying a smart phone, she knows nothing about it and won't ever use anything over maybe 10% of it's functionality, but she was sure as hell she needed one because it's cool. Exactly the opposite mentality of any enthusiast, and exactly the kind of mentality I THINK should die. It exists, and it's not going anywhere, but then again every. Single. DAY. I have to deal with some idiot that doesn't understand the concept of an on-ramp and how you better damn well be going the speed limit by the time you get to the merge point of the interstate, and they all happen to be different people, which is even more frustrating.

Stupidity exists and people will sell you anything you want to buy. Hence this car will exist and probably sell just fine, despite being an obviously horrible choice for what they want people to view it as.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:10 PM   #29
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What is with your hate on the V6 mustang? For what it is, with the performance pack, and at its price, it is a decent performer. Not perfect by any means and hefty, it does have some impressive numbers, except weight.
As opposed to the Camaro convertible, or the Challenger in general?

Mustang is not significantly heavier than most other coupes it's size... and lighter than some, especially when Infiniti, Audi, Caddy CTS coupe, and others, start adding the luxury options. Not even all that different from mid-size or larger coupes from the 90s... like 300ZX 2+2, Supra, or SC300/400.

BRZ is lighter, and necessarily smaller than Mustang. Miata, Mini, Beetle, and others are also.

Mustang has a bit more visual bulk than I would like, but in real world terms, it is about average weight for a rear-drive 2+2 coupe that is larger than a compact car.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:24 PM   #30
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Exactly the opposite mentality of any enthusiast,
Well, I don't necessarily agree with this statement as being an "enthusiast" has a wide definition. I personally would like to drive a 49 Roadmaster vert or 65 Mustang vert or 2013 Corvette just to cruise around in. No need for me to prove any performance here, I just think they look cool. Nothing wrong with driving around in a car that looks cool, especially when most drivers won't get anywhere near their max performance. I think you need to not worry about what other people do.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:38 PM   #31
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As opposed to the Camaro convertible, or the Challenger in general?

Mustang is not significantly heavier than most other coupes it's size... and lighter than some, especially when Infiniti, Audi, Caddy CTS coupe, and others, start adding the luxury options. Not even all that different from mid-size or larger coupes from the 90s... like 300ZX 2+2, Supra, or SC300/400.

BRZ is lighter, and necessarily smaller than Mustang. Miata, Mini, Beetle, and others are also.

Mustang has a bit more visual bulk than I would like, but in real world terms, it is about average weight for a rear-drive 2+2 coupe that is larger than a compact car.
I'm not comparing it to anything in particular. I would like a loss of 200 lbs or so to remove some that hefty feel.
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