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Old 05-05-2013, 07:17 PM   #1
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I have gone several times to test drive a 2013 Impreza Limited hatchback with CVT, moonroof and nav package. I have gotten a price of $23,200 + TTL. My main concerns are road noise and front seat comfort. I have read that the main problem with the road noise are the tires. Also, the insulation is pretty light to save weight so you can get the MPGs. The seats seem fairly flat and no lumbar support or even much of a bolster to keep you in place. I really want to like the Impreza. The value for the money is really there for a fully loaded hatchback with AWD and good MPG. I want a hatchback for versatility. I cross shopped VW GTI...premium gas and being redesigned, Mazda3...being redesigned, and Ford Focus...it's pretty nice, but pretty expensive loaded.

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Old 05-05-2013, 07:34 PM   #2
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The GTI is a hot hatch, it's fast, very fast. You are not cross shopping when you look at it. The mazda and ford are comparable. I like the subaru in manual form better than either of the other two. Of course, you have to upgrade the sway bar and shifter bushings, but once you do it pretty much outperforms the other two in every aspect except acceleration. The ford I prefer in auto to the subaru, better feel to the transmission, but I'm a performance driving kind of guy. The subaru is very efficient and works great, so if you don't care for performance, I wouldn't worry about it. The seats on the subaru are supposed to be super comfortable, and I did find them to be better than the mazda, though not superior to the ford. It's also AWD, which you should decide if you need or not. The subaru will be more reliable than the ford, in theory, though it will be about the same as the mazda. Really depends on what you want. The impreza is one of the best small hatches on the market in it's class right now. I want to trade in for a focus st or brz, but I would never consider it against the focus or mazda 3 at this point. Essentially those are the top three in their class, and each brings a different set of pros and cons to the table. Try them all and buy the one you like.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:46 PM   #3
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Get the impreza for awd and safety, if you dont need awd go with golf/gti/mazda/focus/fit. The selling point of impreza is the all wheel drive.

Its a great car but at 20k, its not gonna be perfect.

I love my car and Im sure you would too, as most owners have no regrets.

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:07 PM   #4
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I really want to like the Impreza, but maybe it isn't the car for me. I don't need AWD right now, but might make a move to Seattle or back to Chicago. I had only FWD cars in Chicago and did fine, but having AWD would make life easier. The GTI is fast and that German driving experience is like no other. But, it comes at a price. I don't want a car that uses premium gas. I was looking at the Focus ST, but I am not sure I want to deal with a manual. I had a Honda Civic SI for a couple months in 2007. I quickly sold that since it was my first manual car and hated it driving back and forth from work in traffic. The Mazda is nice, but the interior is kind of dated and I don't want to buy a car when it will be redesigned next year. There just aren't a lot of hatchbacks to choose from here in the states.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:51 PM   #5
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I have the 2013 sport premium, and planned on the limited but the only day I had avail to pick one up left me arguing with the dealer and leaving to go to the next one. They only had the sport premium. I know a Subaru service manager and in the past ( before I decided on the Subaru) I asked him about the Mazda vs Subaru as his lot sells both. He said he gets lots of mazdas in for warranty repair, 10 to 1 compared with impreza. He said they have a few issues that affects most all of the cars. Subaru didn't have any certain issue across the board like Mazda did. That and the awd sold me. I needed awd and Subaru has the best awd in my opinion period.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:22 AM   #6
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If you're not someone too interested in the AWD aspect of the impreza, i'd personally recommend against it. It's not going to have the performance of most of the cars you're comparing it to, then again, none of those cars will be as safe.

If you're looking for the performance side, again (and you understand the safety aspects too), go vw. Remember, it'll cost you more in the future though ;D

Can't tell you much about the mazda though, but it doesn't look to be worth the $$

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Old 05-06-2013, 05:38 AM   #7
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If you decide to go with the Impreza be aware that mpg in stop and go traffic will suck. Great on highway if you keep the speed to or below 70.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:54 AM   #8
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I love this image from Consumer Reports:

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I really want to like the Impreza, but maybe it isn't the car for me. I don't need AWD right now, but might make a move to Seattle or back to Chicago. I had only FWD cars in Chicago and did fine, but having AWD would make life easier. The GTI is fast and that German driving experience is like no other. But, it comes at a price. I don't want a car that uses premium gas. I was looking at the Focus ST, but I am not sure I want to deal with a manual. I had a Honda Civic SI for a couple months in 2007. I quickly sold that since it was my first manual car and hated it driving back and forth from work in traffic. The Mazda is nice, but the interior is kind of dated and I don't want to buy a car when it will be redesigned next year. There just aren't a lot of hatchbacks to choose from here in the states.
An automatic GTI, and the same goes for a Civic SI, is like sacrilege. It's just plain wrong. Defeats the entire purpose of the vehicle. Test out the Ford Focus SE. It has a really nice transmission and is amazingly fuel efficient with nice handling.
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An automatic GTI, and the same goes for a Civic SI, is like sacrilege. It's just plain wrong. Defeats the entire purpose of the vehicle. Test out the Ford Focus SE. It has a really nice transmission and is amazingly fuel efficient with nice handling.
It's well known on this forum how much I distrust VW products (which is why I posted that graphic a few posts earlier). However, if you just don't like shifting (regardless of whether it's because you don't enjoy the process, or you're in city traffic, or you have a bad left knee, or whatever), then the VW DSG tranny is about as nice as it gets.

I agree that I would never own a GTI/SI/BRZ/Focus ST/etc. with anything but a stick and clutch. But the VW DSG tranny is a nice compromise.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:21 AM   #11
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What I am looking at is all over the place. I am coming from driving hybrids in various forums for 8 years...Prius regular and plug in version, CT hybrid, Escape hybrid, Civic hybrid. I thought about getting another and might. But, I always wanted to get a GTI and was about to 2 weeks ago. But, the redesign and the premium to drive one just isn't something I want to pay for. Especially coming from a hybrid. If the redesign was here now I might have...wait I would have bought it.

I currently have a Focus with manual transmission a dealer put me in. I wanted to see if I wanted to drive manual again. If I was going to get a Focus it would be the ST. That's the main reason for the manual Focus I am in right now. I was never really good at it and don't want to make the mistake like I did when I got my Civic SI. I drove it to work and traffic was light. I was hoping for bad traffic to see if I could drive a manual to work and not be stressed out. Hopefully the commute home will be worse. If I feel that a manual is something I can live with then I will more than likely be getting a Focus ST. For some reason the regular Focus doesn't appeal to be in the regular form unless I get the ST. I guess it's the same for the Golf and GTI. Otherwise the Impreza is what I am thinking as 2nd choice.

For work it is mainly highway, but light to moderate traffic both ways. I do some city driving, but I will have to check fuelly for stats of the Impreza. Decent MPG is on the top of my list since I am coming from a hybrid. I like the way the Impreza looks, I has decent pickup. The CVT isn't the best, but I have been driving them for the longest time in hybrids.
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If decent MPGs is on the top of your list, then you're looking at the wrong cars. A GTI and a Focus ST, running on premium gas, will disappoint you. An Impreza with its AWD system will disappoint you.

I'd suggest that you buy another hybrid. You won't have to deal with the stick that seems to concern you, and you'll be happier with the fuel economy. Perhaps you should add the Camry Hybrid and Fusion Hybrid to your list of contenders.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:36 PM   #13
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I'd personally say that $23,300 is kinda high. I got my 2012 Sport Limited with Moonroof non-nav for $21,370 + TTL. There's no way that the integrated navigation is worth ~$2500($500, Sport vs. Non-sport included).

Out of your choices, I'd personally eliminate the VW and the Ford due to reliability issues. If you are living down south where they never get more than 1" of snow then the decision will be more difficult. But if you live or even have the possibility of getting relocated to an area with heavy snowfall then it is a no-brainer, go for the Subaru.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:40 PM   #14
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If decent MPGs is on the top of your list, then you're looking at the wrong cars. A GTI and a Focus ST, running on premium gas, will disappoint you. An Impreza with its AWD system will disappoint you.

I'd suggest that you buy another hybrid. You won't have to deal with the stick that seems to concern you, and you'll be happier with the fuel economy. Perhaps you should add the Camry Hybrid and Fusion Hybrid to your list of contenders.
I had a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid for two years before giving it to my parents and that thing is amazing. It easily beat the EPA estimates and would average in the upper 40's to low 50's on my 32 mile commute. It was very well balanced and was a rocket in the snow. Only downside was the lack of fold down seats and the tiny trunk. If I didn't get a Great Dane I'd probably still be driving it.
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I'm just now reading the June 2013 issue of Motor Trend. There's a nice article in there comparing the Dodge Dart, Honda Civic, Kia Forte, Mazda3, and Nissan Sentra.

Based upon your desire for fuel economy and sportiness, I'd suggest that you consider the Kia Forte (1st place in this comparison), and reconsider the Mazda3 (2nd place). Both got good reviews for acceleration, handling, fuel economy, and other factors.
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It's well known on this forum how much I distrust VW products (which is why I posted that graphic a few posts earlier). However, if you just don't like shifting (regardless of whether it's because you don't enjoy the process, or you're in city traffic, or you have a bad left knee, or whatever), then the VW DSG tranny is about as nice as it gets.

I agree that I would never own a GTI/SI/BRZ/Focus ST/etc. with anything but a stick and clutch. But the VW DSG tranny is a nice compromise.
I'm sure it is. My point was an auto in any sports car short of a supercar is a really bad decision, it defeats the whole purpose of the car (and yes, we are going to go with the impression that the GTI and ST are sports cars, yes I know they aren't "really" sports cars).
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What I am looking at is all over the place. I am coming from driving hybrids in various forums for 8 years...Prius regular and plug in version, CT hybrid, Escape hybrid, Civic hybrid. I thought about getting another and might. But, I always wanted to get a GTI and was about to 2 weeks ago. But, the redesign and the premium to drive one just isn't something I want to pay for. Especially coming from a hybrid. If the redesign was here now I might have...wait I would have bought it.

I currently have a Focus with manual transmission a dealer put me in. I wanted to see if I wanted to drive manual again. If I was going to get a Focus it would be the ST. That's the main reason for the manual Focus I am in right now. I was never really good at it and don't want to make the mistake like I did when I got my Civic SI. I drove it to work and traffic was light. I was hoping for bad traffic to see if I could drive a manual to work and not be stressed out. Hopefully the commute home will be worse. If I feel that a manual is something I can live with then I will more than likely be getting a Focus ST. For some reason the regular Focus doesn't appeal to be in the regular form unless I get the ST. I guess it's the same for the Golf and GTI. Otherwise the Impreza is what I am thinking as 2nd choice.

For work it is mainly highway, but light to moderate traffic both ways. I do some city driving, but I will have to check fuelly for stats of the Impreza. Decent MPG is on the top of my list since I am coming from a hybrid. I like the way the Impreza looks, I has decent pickup. The CVT isn't the best, but I have been driving them for the longest time in hybrids.
It gets easier. I've been driving manual for about 5 months. I still make minor mistakes here and there, and there is a lot to learn, but it's no longer difficult at all to drive it in heavy traffic. I still prefer it, and every drive you do a bit better it seems.
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FWIW, I had a 5 speed as my previous car (2000 Impreza, certainly no speed demon). I was surprised at the CVT when I test drove; it had really good acceleration, more so than my old car. Having owned my car for about a year now, do I miss driving a manual? Here and there, but I don't regret my purchase at all.
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I have gone several times to test drive a 2013 Impreza Limited hatchback with CVT, moonroof and nav package. I have gotten a price of $23,200 + TTL. My main concerns are road noise and front seat comfort. I have read that the main problem with the road noise are the tires. Also, the insulation is pretty light to save weight so you can get the MPGs. The seats seem fairly flat and no lumbar support or even much of a bolster to keep you in place. I really want to like the Impreza. The value for the money is really there for a fully loaded hatchback with AWD and good MPG. I want a hatchback for versatility. I cross shopped VW GTI...premium gas and being redesigned, Mazda3...being redesigned, and Ford Focus...it's pretty nice, but pretty expensive loaded.

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i can attest that the seats on the subaru impreza 2.0 suck balls. i hate the way the seats were made and they are decent seats but ive sat in better seats in cheaper cars. they definitely did not spend much time on designing and making the seats. i have a wierd pop on the back (towards the right shoulder) when i sit back from time to time....ive had the squeaking issues (fixed) but the seat just dont feel like its sturdy at all. i feel like i will need to replace the cushion soon and with my luck after the warranty period.
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I drive 9 hrs most weekend and i find the leather seats to be pretty good.
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I drive 9 hrs most weekend and i find the leather seats to be pretty good.
should have gotten leather....smh. maybe i can find a set from a yard.
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The leather seats in my 2013 Impreza Limited are pretty comfy.
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:08 PM   #23
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Road noise I can probably tolerate, since once the tires go I can get quieter ones. The seats is one that is not easily fixed. It would probably cost some money to get it padded the way I want. I don't know what Subaru was doing when they designed the seats. I feel there is not support on the upper part.

I love the DSG transmission in the GTI. It's a clutchless manual and can change gears faster than a person. It really is a great transmission. I am going to have to put the GTI out though as much as I love the hatchback.

The Ford Focus ST is really appeal since you can get a fully loaded one with HID, Recaro leather seats, and navi for $26,000. The only thing holding me back is that it is offered in a manual. I have gone back 3 times to look and test drive it. I am able to drive a manual and not stall, even up hill. I just need to practice getting into first smoothly and rev matching. The manual on the ST has a creep feature that basically doesn't let it stall. You just have to let the clutch out slowly and it grabs. It also has hill hold. I thought Focus was a pretty reliable car. The resale value is really bad since they have rebates and such. So, that is why I want to make sure I want this car and not regret getting it and selling it 6 months-1 year down the road.

I think I am just a hybrid person not matter how much I want to get back into a conventional car. I have really tried hard...believe me. I'll just have to rent a couple more weeks. My Prius I had listed sold quicker than I thought it would at my asking price. One thing for sure is that the Prius definitely hold their value.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:43 AM   #24
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You know, I think the seats on the Ltds must be completely different. I have a 2012 Ltd hatch. I also have a disaster area for a lower back. I've driven cars with all kinds of seat adjustments and never found one that was comfortable for long - until this car. I drove from upstate NY to South Carolina and back with virtually no discomfort. No sign of squeaks or flimsiness either, after 20,000 miles.

Otherwise, the thing is, these are unique cars. The boxer engine, AWD, and CVT add up to a different kind of driving experience. You can't get a stick with the Ltd, and this is the first non-stick car I've had in decades; but I have to drive in NYC and environs a few times a month, and I swear, not having a clutch at those times is going to add years to my life! And the CVT is really pretty cool - not like a conventional automatic trans. It has its peculiarities for sure; why, for instance, is there a lag at the accelerator and not at the paddles - can somebody tell me? I wouldn't get one in this car without the paddles. But with them, the car is totally controllable: Not only can you get lag-less shifts with them, you can defeat the automatic downhill downshift, and, most importantly in these cars, get into the torque band (around 4000 RPM) virtually at will. Then, along with the car's very sporty handling, you can really have a lot of fun with it. As I say, it's different; you have to get used to it.

One thing I didn't expect was how comfortable the ride is. There's a tad of body lean that seems to be the price for that, but I agree with most reviews that it doesn't hurt the handling - and man, it's nice!

I live in the northern Catskills - serious hills; and I drive about 250 miles RT to NJ frequently, at 75-80 mph on the Thruway. Average gas mileage - 31 in the summer, 29 in the winter with snow tires. On flat terrain with normal suburban and local highway driving at around 60 mph, the car can get 38 mpg or better.

I do hate the road noise, and find it incredible that they let these cars out this way. The OEM tires really do make the worst of it - my Michelin X3 snows are much quieter (!) - but still. (Bet they correct this for 2014.) And there's a variety of little things I'm not nuts about (until I figured out how to defeat the radio eq presets and control lockouts, I was really pissed). And yeah, I wish it had just a little more power. But if you would like to have AWD, and don't want the expense of a high performance car, this thing simply kills for the money. The back seats are totally comfy for tall adults, and the cargo capacity in the hatch is fantastic - it's a Swiss army knife of a car. I'm really happy with it.

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^^You can fix the body lean by installing a 19mm rear stabilizer bar for approximately $100. This mod doesn't harm the ride.

I find the non-leather seats in my Sport Premium to be quite comfortable. But I'm a 155-lb, 5' 8" guy, so maybe I just fit them better than some others.
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