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Old 08-22-2013, 02:13 PM   #1
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Contrary to previous reports, Cadillacís high-performance ATS-V based on its award-winning ATS sedan will forgo a V-8 in favor of the brandís new twin-turbocharged 3.6-liter V-6. The move will help differentiate the ATS-V from the CTS-V, whose second generation is expected to stick with a supercharged V-8. Weíve also seen a supercharged V-6 fitted to the Audi S4, and BMWís next-generation M3 is expected to feature a twin-turbo straight-six engine, so Cadillacís ATS-V equipped with a twin-turbo V-6 will fit right in with the competition.
The latest information was reported by Car and Driver, which also claims the ATS-V will offer the option of a manual transmission.
Cadillacís new twin-turbo V-6, which is already available in the CTS and XTS sedans, is a brilliant unit. It is one of the most powerful V-6 engines on the market, delivering upwards of 420 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque; itís producing the same power and even more torque than Audiís twin-turbo V-8 fitted to the latest S6 and S7.
Itís not clear whether output will be dialed up further for the ATS-V, though it certainly is a possibility. Thatís because the engine is running strengthened internals and an all-new fuel injection system.
Rated at 420 horsepower, the engine can spirit the CTS to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds and onto a top speed of 170 mph. Packaged in the smaller and more nimble ATS chassis, paired with a manual transmission, with V-grade suspension, aero, and interior upgrades, the engine is likely to make the ATS-V our next attainable lust object.
A launch date for the ATS-V remains uncertain; Cadillac has a lot of new product in the pipeline including a redesigned Escalade due later this year as well as an ATS Coupe due next year.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:33 PM   #2
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This should make this car a riot.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:38 PM   #3
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ATS-V Coupe is gone be nice with a stick. Un zip Yeah Baby!!!
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:24 PM   #4
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Oh baby, nice work Caddy. Wagon version of this please!
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Oh baby, nice work Caddy. Wagon version of this please!
Buyers ****ed them last time, we're not going to get sticks or wagons...
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:06 PM   #6
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Hmmmm....

This goes against what I saw last week. Unless what I saw is in fact a CTS-V. Either that or it's something which gets delivered to Pratt & Miller and fitted with a roll cage for racing duty. Regardless, it had 8 cylinders under the hood, and looked a lot like a Caddy under all the camo. I just thought it a bit short to be a CTS. Rear door looked the same as an ATS.


I'd prefer a V8 in the ATS-V myself. I want the sound and the torque more than I want the turbos or supposed fuel economy. I'd look at the C7 'vette, but having a x-cab pickup and a Mini doesn't leave much space for shuttling people around. I figured an ATS-V lets me have some fun, provides better fuel economy than the truck, and provides "some" space for rear passengers . But probably 2 years before I can realistically afford to look at one.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:19 PM   #7
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ballpark price?
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:52 PM   #8
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ballpark price?
Looking at pricing structure for CTS vs. CTS-V I think the ATS-V will be in the neighborhood of $55k starting price. That makes it a $10k-15k upgrade over a standard ATS pending options and keeps the ATS-V a bit under the current CTS-V.

In other words...the same range as a C7 Corvette, but with more luxury, more space, and more weight.
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Hopefully this first gen ATS-V doesn't suffer with horrid dif cracking wheel hop like my first gen CTS-V did.
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:25 PM   #10
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Hopefully this first gen ATS-V doesn't suffer with horrid dif cracking wheel hop like my first gen CTS-V did.
Wheel hop? Ever feel the shifter of your car in the rain or when launching? SO MUCH HOP can be felt through the shifter...just not enough power to crack diffs.
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Oh it cracked one of my 4 factory covered (thank you GMPP) replacement difs


And that was before I supercharged it
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Bump...

Saw an ATS 2.0T running around, but there is no way a 2.0T 4-cylinder was making that exhaust note. Sounds like GM stuffed the ATS-V powertrain into a couple standard ATS's to get them out and about on public roads without having to worry about spy shots of the body. The more I hear it the more I'm OK with the V6TT instead of a V8.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:58 PM   #14
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Why don't they just incorporate that V6 turbo tech into V8?


something......something....no replacement for displacement, bisches!
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I'd prefer a V8 in the ATS-V myself. I want the sound and the torque more than I want the turbos or supposed fuel economy.
A twin turbo 6 of decent displacement can make the low-end power that a V8 can, more even. It can simply move more air. What you can't get is the throttle response, and the sound.

I'm with you, and would prefer a V8...but output could swing in the TTs favor, especially on a tune. (my 3.0l N54 makes ~400/400, all stock, just a piggy).
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wished it had the awd option, would have been my next car.
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wished it had the awd option, would have been my next car.
As much as we Subaru nerds love AWD it isn't needed in the V model. It's a Caddy and already loaded up with heavy seats and sound insulation. It doesn't need the added weight of an AWD system. It would add 300-400lbs and unbalance the car. When you learn how to modulate the throttle RWD is a great platform. If you're buying a $60k+ high powered sports sedan to be your year-round daily driver through snowy winters you aren't the target market.

Besides, an AWD ATS-V would be compared to the GT-R and that's just stupid. The ATS likely handles better, looks better, has more creature comforts, and isn't a ****ing Nissan. The more Carlos Ghosn opens his mouth the less I like Nissan as a brand.
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As much as we Subaru nerds love AWD it isn't needed in the V model. It's a Caddy and already loaded up with heavy seats and sound insulation. It doesn't need the added weight of an AWD system. It would add 300-400lbs and unbalance the car. When you learn how to modulate the throttle RWD is a great platform. If you're buying a $60k+ high powered sports sedan to be your year-round daily driver through snowy winters you aren't the target market.

Besides, an AWD ATS-V would be compared to the GT-R and that's just stupid. The ATS likely handles better, looks better, has more creature comforts, and isn't a ****ing Nissan. The more Carlos Ghosn opens his mouth the less I like Nissan as a brand.
Why not? Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche, Ferrari and others have AWD on their high powered performance luxury cars. People who have money for such cars don't drive them in track 99% of the time. They are used for trips to skiing resorts. Also, AWD is becoming must have for high performance luxury cars. They probably will make one for the CTS V though
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A great way to ruin a wonderfuly handling RWD car is to add AWD to it. NO thank you. The Chassis and feel fo the ATS has been getting great reviews. I would HATE to ruin it with AWD. RWD cars feel better when driven hard than AWD cars. My experiences with miata's, and my 240Z have solidified my belief that handling is totally different than grip.

While having cat on carpet grip can be fun, a well balanced chassis that acutally handles well is better. RWD is > than AWD for me, and both are marginally better than FWD. Although the engineering in a car is far more important than the drivetain configuration (see mini/focusST/fiestaST)
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The whole reason Jaguar stuffed in AWD for their XF and XJ mid cycle was to sell more cars. From Maryland to Maine you will see a lot more quattro, 4 matic and xdrive than you will FWD or RWD from those brands.

Benz sells most of their new AMG models only with AWD now.

I never understood having 400, 500, 600hp in a RWD car, its a waste as you can't put the power down. A good RWD biased AWD system would be much better IMO.
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Just to support your statement, the new C-class will have AWD standard!

And I am not saying AWD will not sell more cars, I am just saying take any RWD car like say the new Q50, and test it, then test the AWD version of the Q50. Guess which car will have worse steering, worse braking, slower acceleration.
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The people who purchase these cars could care less about the loss of little handling for an all around daily. They want a daily with more power and driver focused for there commute to their executive jobs. They probably have 911 and Ferraris in their garage for their precise driving pleasure.

The ATS will never be used in a track, so for good business, makes sense to add AWD. I think even though Cadillac is going for younger buyers, they are probably in the 40s to 50s.
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Why not? Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche, Ferrari and others have AWD on their high powered performance luxury cars. People who have money for such cars don't drive them in track 99% of the time. They are used for trips to skiing resorts. Also, AWD is becoming must have for high performance luxury cars. They probably will make one for the CTS V though
AWD is not a must-have. AWD is a safety feature. In a world where people are less and less capable of driving manufacturers are adding more and more safety features. Safety is a selling point. I do appreciate the advantages AWD can provide on low-mu surfaces, but it is far from a necessary feature on any automobile. The vast majority of sports cars, super cars, and race cars are still RWD.

Audi seldom makes a vehicle which is not AWD. It's part of their brand image. Subaru is very similar, though when they decided to make a great handling sports coupe they made it RWD. Mercedes seems to advertise and push all of their fancy active safety features. I'm not surprised most of their products are available with AWD. They still use RWD in racing applications. Ferrari's ONLY AWD model is the FF. The California, F12, and 458 are still RWD. The Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Corvette are RWD. The Chrysler SRT models are RWD. Porsche's top-tier models are still RWD. BMW M models are RWD.


CTS-V will be RWD with a V8.

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The people who purchase these cars couldn't care less about the loss of little handling for an all around daily. They want a daily with more power and driver focused for their commute to their executive jobs. They probably have 911 and Ferraris in their garage for their precise driving pleasure.

The ATS will never be used in a track, so for good business, makes sense to add AWD. I think even though Cadillac is going for younger buyers, they are probably in the 40s to 50s.
The overwhelming majority of every car sold will never see a race track. If that's your argument, why do we need any performance models? Why does anyone need a BMW M or M-B AMG? If they are just commuting to work or cruising down the interstate (all of which have speed limits) why does anyone need anything more than small diesel with just enough oomph reach the speed limit?

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If you want AWD, buy the non-V versions (both CTS and ATS have AWD versions currently and in the past with CTS). There's no reason to have AWD in the V's. On top of that, you'll have very big issues with packaging up front.

Those that want an AWD V8 Sedan are a ver small niche. (Which can be filled by the Dodge Charger).

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Whining that a high performance luxury sedan with a real transmission isn't AWD?

Some people.
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