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Old 08-15-2013, 11:17 AM   #151
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If I really try hard to max my MPGs (90% highway 10% city driving, mile wise not time wise) I can get 48mpg going 55 or lower on the freeway and accelerating as slowly as possible without pissing too many people off.
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:02 AM   #152
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looks like consumer reports was correct about the cmax
http://automotivediscovery.com/ford-...mises/9217761/


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Old 08-16-2013, 10:51 AM   #153
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Oh no you di'nt

47mpg down 10% to 43mpg
That's a pretty big difference.
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:30 AM   #154
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For the record, finally got my ECM reprogrammed a couple days ago.

Prior: 28.5 mpg

Since: 33.3 mpg

Same driving style, routes, and characteristics. '12 Hatchback CVT
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:58 PM   #155
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Oh no you di'nt

47mpg down 10% to 43mpg
That's a pretty big difference.
I looked at buying Cmax awd for business cars. Dang, bout same price as a BMW. The impreza seemed like a much better value to me, with less chances of electronics failing
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Old 08-16-2013, 03:41 PM   #156
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For the record, finally got my ECM reprogrammed a couple days ago.

Prior: 28.5 mpg

Since: 33.3 mpg

Same driving style, routes, and characteristics. '12 Hatchback CVT
Interesting. ECM was reprogrammed due to recall or your request?

I think youre the first person whos reported better numbers after a reflash.
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Old 08-16-2013, 04:20 PM   #157
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what i find hillarious was how ford was all up in arms when consumer reports said their cmax and other vehicles weren't getting the mpg and ford was vehment that they were correct. Hmmm i see flashbacks of kia hyundai
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:40 AM   #158
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Interesting. ECM was reprogrammed due to recall or your request?

I think youre the first person whos reported better numbers after a reflash.
Recall. I have an early '12.

That is interesting. Hopefully the trend continues!
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:21 PM   #159
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So I just did a stretch of highway/thruway and did a little testing (using center console numbers, and a reset tripometer, AC was off and on throughout).

Driving between 65-70mph I was exceeding the EPA HWY MPG estimates for a CVT, even though I was driving my 5 speed.

At 80mph, I was getting between 6-8mpg less than at 68mph.

As I drove home, I90 through Albany, where the speed limit is 55, I was at 65mph, and a nice (and attractive) young woman passed me in a silver Sport (no idea what transmission she had, but she did splurge for the aero splash guards), she was driving at least 80mph.

I thought, nice that the car can drive comfortably at either speed, but I hope she does not appear on the forums complaining that her car does not deliver the EPA HWY numbers...

Cause, well you know...
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:39 PM   #160
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So I just did a stretch of highway/thruway and did a little testing (using center console numbers, and a reset tripometer, AC was off and on throughout).

Driving between 65-70mph I was exceeding the EPA HWY MPG estimates for a CVT, even though I was driving my 5 speed.

At 80mph, I was getting between 6-8mpg less than at 68mph.

As I drove home, I90 through Albany, where the speed limit is 55, I was at 65mph, and a nice (and attractive) young woman passed me in a silver Sport (no idea what transmission she had, but she did splurge for the aero splash guards), she was driving at least 80mph.

I thought, nice that the car can drive comfortably at either speed, but I hope she does not appear on the forums complaining that her car does not deliver the EPA HWY numbers...

Cause, well you know...
.......that Subaru should cut you a $4000 check if you drive 80 in a CVT? ;-)
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:25 AM   #161
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.......that Subaru should cut you a $4000 check if you drive 80 in a CVT? ;-)
Discovered: The other half of Zeeper's wit!
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:12 AM   #162
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Discovered: The other half of Zeeper's wit!
This is a thread for people that love their mpg's, since you don't love your mpg's, should you even comment here?

But while you are here, look over what happened when I increased my cruise controlled speed on the highway from my usual sub 70mph to 80mph, see how common it is for mpg's to take a dive, even with the magical 5 speed?

Who could have predicted that?

LOL
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:39 AM   #163
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Discovered: The other half of Zeeper's wit!
How sad a world would be without a little cheer! :-)
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Old 08-25-2013, 08:25 PM   #164
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This is a thread for people that love their mpg's, since you don't love your mpg's, should you even comment here?

But while you are here, look over what happened when I increased my cruise controlled speed on the highway from my usual sub 70mph to 80mph, see how common it is for mpg's to take a dive, even with the magical 5 speed?

Who could have predicted that?

LOL
ZING!
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:18 PM   #165
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ZING!
Not. Just more BS.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:36 AM   #166
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Except his MT test mirrors my CVT. 65-70 gets EPA. Higher drops off considerably. Which is normal. And for the record I can post here because I'm "Happy" with my MPG.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:14 AM   #167
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Well, no...

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Driving between 65-70mph I was exceeding the EPA HWY MPG estimates for a CVT, even though I was driving my 5 speed.
What he did was confirm that his 5 speed gets the CVT highway mpg at 65-70. My CVT won't do that. That's just confirming that the 5 speed gets better mpg than the CVT - but then we know that, since the CVT gets the same highway mpg as 30 mpg cars. It all fits.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:10 AM   #168
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His 5 mt (with him driving it); your CVT (with you driving it).
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:13 AM   #169
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What he did was confirm that his 5 speed gets the CVT highway mpg at 65-70. My CVT won't do that.
You contradict yourself constantly...remember this?

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The point is not that the EPA estimate is achievable - it is. It's what is required compared to other cars in getting their EPA estimates. Other cars can get it going much faster - read "more efficiently". That is seen on all the comparative testing.
Any impreza CVT owner driving their car on the same road I was driving, who kept the cruise control set at the same speed I was driving (sub 70mph), would have seen HIGHER mpg's than I was seeing.

And when they accelerated to your normal 80mph speeds, they would have gotten much worse mpg's, just like I did when I drove 80mph.

Wanna bet that the young lady driving by me at 80mph, in an almost identical car, was getting much worse mpg's than I was? (insert dopeslap)

PEBSWADS

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Old 08-26-2013, 08:42 AM   #170
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Drove from RI to Mechanicsburg PA and back last week. Lots of hills through CT, NY and PA.

410 miles, non-stop each way, less than one tank of gas, 5-10 over the whole way (60-70mph), cruise control, windows down mostly. 32.8mpg out, 32.6mpg back in my Crosstrek XV 5MT.

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Old 08-26-2013, 10:49 AM   #171
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You contradict yourself constantly...remember this?



Any impreza CVT owner driving their car on the same road I was driving, who kept the cruise control set at the same speed I was driving (sub 70mph), would have seen HIGHER mpg's than I was seeing.

And when they accelerated to your normal 80mph speeds, they would have gotten much worse mpg's, just like I did when I drove 80mph.

Wanna bet that the young lady driving by me at 80mph, in an almost identical car, was getting much worse mpg's than I was? (insert dopeslap)

PEBSWADS
Yep, it's probably been mentioned before, but...

The CVT has a higher final gear ratio than the manual. I was browsing the service manual this weekend and came across the numbers. I don't have it in front of me now, but I'm sure someone will chime in.
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Does a CVT have a 'final gear ratio'?

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Old 08-26-2013, 12:35 PM   #173
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You contradict yourself constantly...remember this?
That is hardly a contradiction. I did not say at what speed. In fact several times I said that I can get much better - if I drive much slower.

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Any impreza CVT owner driving their car on the same road I was driving, who kept the cruise control set at the same speed I was driving (sub 70mph), would have seen HIGHER mpg's than I was seeing.
Not true - mine will not, so I suspect a good many others won't either.

How would you know anyway?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:40 PM   #174
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Not true - mine will not, so I suspect a good many others won't either. How would you know anyway?
Yours won't because you could not be bothered to drive on the highway with cruise control set at the speed I was driving: sub 70mph.

But as far as how I know?

First, in identical testing, the CVT returned higher HWY mpg's. That's the reason the EPA numbers printed on the window sticker are higher for the CVT than they are for the 5 Speed.

Second, in the Fuelly data, the cars returning the highest Combined MPG's are CVT's

And third, read the forums, if you read what people post you will see what I do: NASIOC members who post the highest highway mpg's are all CVT owners.

Three strikes, you're out. Swing and a miss, try another sport.

P.S. But that's all hearsay, cause we both realize at this point, they are all lying liars, Subaru salespeople, or post-purchase rationalizers...not regular NASIOC members like you...

PEBSWADS, LOL

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Does a CVT have a 'final gear ratio'?

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Yes, I'll look up the number when I'm home tonight unless someone charms in before me. 0.93 seems to stick in my head, or something around that number.
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