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Old 05-16-2013, 11:26 PM   #1
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Event: E-tune
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Car: 06 impreza 2.5I manual tranny
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Mods: Raptor Supercharger, STI injectors, Walbro 255, Intercooled, few other things

I usually don't post a bunch because I don't have time but I thought this was different and worthy of a post. This tune has literally taken months due to the owner moving from usvi to the states. Plus had to work out a few issues that popped up while tuning. After all is said this tuned turned out better than I thought it would from when I started on this. Owner loves the car and says it pulls great. I wish the SC was smaller and would boost up sooner but it looks like a really fun N/A convert to pressure.

Thanks to airboy for correcting me on the gear ratios. Here is a revised couple of pulls. One is with 4 perams logged and one is with a few more perams added.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:44 PM   #2
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I'm sorry but no way is this making 270 on 5psi of boost. Especially when people with actual dyno graphs barely get into the 230s with 9 psi/intercooling.

What's your smoothing?
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:59 PM   #3
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Smoothing is 3. I used 06 wrx sedan in vd and changed the weight to 3015 since that's curb weight. Everything else is the same as wrx as far as gearing and frontal area. I did add 200lbs for driver. I wish I had a log from a bone stock 2.5I logging same perams. Its got a 9 psi pulley on it iirc so I'm really not even sure if the map readings are accurate or what the stock sensor will read accurately up to. A wrx map is being installed very soon so the map numbers may change?

Btw, I've seen some real dyno graphs from same supercharger and they go from 230 up to just over 300 depending on dyno and mods. Or 2.0 and 2.5. But its within the range of others posted

I do know stock 06 2.5 wrx on same settings but with a 3200 curb weight does around 230 or so so the car is def doing better than that because of the weight settings being less on this car. Add more weight on same settings and you get more hp. I've got numerous logs and all are within a few hp tq from the others but this was the final log so that's what I used.

Go hate on another thread, its def a far cry more than the stock hp and at 10 to 1 cr it has to be a pretty peppy and fun ass car to drive.

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Old 05-17-2013, 06:52 AM   #4
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Smoothing is 3. I used 06 wrx sedan in vd and changed the weight to 3015 since that's curb weight. Everything else is the same as wrx as far as gearing and frontal area. I did add 200lbs for driver. I wish I had a log from a bone stock 2.5I logging same perams. Its got a 9 psi pulley on it iirc so I'm really not even sure if the map readings are accurate or what the stock sensor will read accurately up to. A wrx map is being installed very soon so the map numbers may change?

Btw, I've seen some real dyno graphs from same supercharger and they go from 230 up to just over 300 depending on dyno and mods. Or 2.0 and 2.5. But its within the range of others posted

I do know stock 06 2.5 wrx on same settings but with a 3200 curb weight does around 230 or so so the car is def doing better than that because of the weight settings being less on this car. Add more weight on same settings and you get more hp. I've got numerous logs and all are within a few hp tq from the others but this was the final log so that's what I used.

Go hate on another thread, its def a far cry more than the stock hp and at 10 to 1 cr it has to be a pretty peppy and fun ass car to drive.
I will hate until there is an actual dyno run. Virtual dyno is screwy with the NA cars. You can enter the gearing, weight... etc. And its still off. Example: when I just had cams it was telling me I had 200whp consistently with a smoothing of 3. Got it dyno'd and it was at 155 (not a mustang). So just saying, virtual dyno is more than likely inflating it by 40 to 50 hp.

I know the car drives radically different than stock. So does mine with boost. But does that back up the close to 300whp virtual dyno... no.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:46 AM   #5
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Smoothing is 3. I used 06 wrx sedan in vd and changed the weight to 3015 since that's curb weight. Everything else is the same as wrx as far as gearing and frontal area.
Gearing (3rd) for the 2.5i is 1.448 with final drive of 3.9
Gearing (3rd) for the wrx is 1.366 with final drive of 3.7
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:39 PM   #6
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Gearing (3rd) for the 2.5i is 1.448 with final drive of 3.9
Gearing (3rd) for the wrx is 1.366 with final drive of 3.7
Thanks for those ratio's. First post is updated.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:46 PM   #7
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Nice update to the numbers. Looks right now. Seems like a fun like change from na. It's fun to see different builds that stray from the typical.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:12 AM   #8
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I'm sorry but no way is this making 270 on 5psi of boost. Especially when people with actual dyno graphs barely get into the 230s with 9 psi/intercooling.

What's your smoothing?
This may be true put MAP is reading 5.?? psi while the actual pulley is 9 psi pulley so if the flaw is in the MAP then very possible its still adding more boost than what is read. Either way bulls like a banshee and an awesome linear powerband. Once i get ahold of that MAP though we will see.

But thanks for your doubt haha
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:13 AM   #9
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Fast thats the same guy that was bashing raptor superchargers..ahh funny how he continues to tool in garden. haha. Dynos are toolsso if you live by your tool I guess you'll brag by it too.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:19 AM   #10
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I will hate until there is an actual dyno run. Virtual dyno is screwy with the NA cars. You can enter the gearing, weight... etc. And its still off. Example: when I just had cams it was telling me I had 200whp consistently with a smoothing of 3. Got it dyno'd and it was at 155 (not a mustang). So just saying, virtual dyno is more than likely inflating it by 40 to 50 hp.

I know the car drives radically different than stock. So does mine with boost. But does that back up the close to 300whp virtual dyno... no.
You do this while breathing whats new... hahaha and he's just being honest with settings once those settings where corrected. Who are you to say they are still wrong. Enjoy your Turbo I'll enjoy getting blown instead. lol

Go some place worth flaming haha. if you physically rode in car on a chassis dyno. You still wouldn't believe your own eyes haha
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:28 AM   #11
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Ohhh boy here comes the know it all known as VI. Sometimes you just need to know when to keep your mouth shut to not make yourself look like an idiot.

Hate to tell ya, I WAS RIGHT JACKASS. Those numbers look much better.

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:20 AM   #12
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we new something was off jackass but you running your mouth like a time square call girl. Is just that, used up and abused. LoL whats funny is those numbers are not to far away once I find proper cams, ported head and 3 angle with valves and springs. For this set up.

Again like stated before go run your mouth on your own bragging thread cause no one likes an unwiped crusty a$$ walking around. haha

Hey fast once I can save for Water to Air and MAP we'll take it from there. Maybe I can find someone to swap a brand new FPR with for one.
Yeah Slim I love that its linear so she just keeps screaming to the top of the RPM. Thinking of either Meth injection like someone mentioned to me to get some more out of it with some tuning from FastBlue see where this will take us. Car only has 28k on motor with compression in 174,174,175,173 ( not in any order think #4 is 75) so she's still nice and at par.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:14 PM   #13
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Really, you knew something was off even though your boy called me a hater when I called him out on those numbers?

And when did I ever mention anything bragging about my boosted setup?

You've taken stupid to a whole different level.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:11 PM   #14
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It's apparent that some of you don't understand superchargers.
Also, the na map will not read over 5 psi. It's making over 5psi.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:55 PM   #15
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In all honesty who cares what a dyno says, fastblue if you like it then rock on with your bad self. it's all how about what you want if the car pulls like a banshee but the dyno says 78 whp then awesome you have the best 78 hp car
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Old 05-18-2013, 02:24 PM   #16
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VD is not the most accurate but is a good indicator....im sure its pretty close to those numbers

i am making 320 ish on a 18g xt on a 2.0L 21 psi according to vd and that seems to be what people are making on real dynos... i can easily see this guy making 230whp if thats what vd says

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Old 05-18-2013, 04:57 PM   #17
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Nice power curve. The Raptor super charger seems to work really good at getting rid of the top end drop naturally in the NA. Plus you're always at positive pressure and making reasonable power.

I should note to people that question the output, this is as far as I'm aware a stock compression engine, aka 10:1, so torque will be higher and resulting HP will be higher for a given boost level versus the 8.5:1 and 8.2:1 turbo cars. I've done NA road dyno and real dyno tuning. Getting numbers correct is a matter of scaling. It's not so important the raw numbers as it is the curve shape. In comparison to my road and real dyno testing on a NA engine stock to reasonably modified, OP isn't really way out there. If we're talking worst case, he might be 20 to 30 ft-lbs and subsequently HP high. However, it's hard to compare because everyone's expecting massive torque peaks which isn't happening here. Instead, it's just light boost and hold all the way up. A TD04 will be peaky but drop way off on the top end. You'll put down 210 to 230 HP on a TD04, but you're down to 10psi or a little more on top, on a low static compression engine. The NA will make more power off less boost because of both the higher static compression and also higher dynamic compression (still using stock cams I would assume). At the end of the day, this car is still realistically making north of 200whp and likely pretty close to what a TD04 puts down, minus the gobs of midrange torque. My bolt on modified NA makes 145 wheel ft-lbs, conservatively with no boost, backed by more than one real dyno and scaled down to the most conservative one. An NA with 1psi positive pressure should not be hard to make north of 150 ft-lbs, which is around where he's at.
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In all honesty who cares what a dyno says, fastblue if you like it then rock on with your bad self. it's all how about what you want if the car pulls like a banshee but the dyno says 78 whp then awesome you have the best 78 hp car
HAHA I agree lmao I'm gona claim that number for now on hahaha more than likely they won't beleive that. if it is capped at only 5 psi guys then she probably is boosting higher. Gottah get on a used or new MAP sensor off a WRX yikes..but gottah deal with FASTBLUE first thats later. I cna't be any more grateful and FASTBLUE is a beast and as hell I'll be sending as much tunes and builds his way..Revin-it seriously your a waste of keyboard keys I'm done with you say what you want..plus we didn't need you to point out guano had that stated way before your hate. Man I love this SC on this EJ...wonder how it would fell on an H6
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The car is making more than 5psi.

Anybody that thinks that boost flat line is possible I'd love to hear the explanation.
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It's apparent that some of you don't understand superchargers.
Also, the na map will not read over 5 psi. It's making over 5psi.
So then how would one tune for this if you don't know what psi the car is seeing? You just shooting in the dark?
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So then how would one tune for this if you don't know what psi the car is seeing? You just shooting in the dark?
Gauge. Or a different map sensor.
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Gauge. Or a different map sensor.
Still confused as to how this car is tuned correctly if it can't read the true psi?
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Im not a big NA guy, but nothing tuning related on that car should be related to the MAP, only to airflow from the MAF. The MAP is just there for a few basic functions.
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Still confused as to how this car is tuned correctly if it can't read the true psi?
I didn't say it was tuned correctly or incorrectly.
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I have a stock STI MAP sensor if you need one. $30 ship cont. US address.
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