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Old 05-18-2013, 12:09 AM   #1
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Default Do I need to upgrade my swaybar for Daily driving?

I have a question and need some feed back. Do you guys thing it would be nessesary to get a sway bar for daily driving?
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:47 AM   #2
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:55 AM   #3
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No. I think you're confusing need with want.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:55 AM   #4
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:19 AM   #5
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The IQ levels I've been seeing lately, not just on here...
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:05 AM   #6
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:19 AM   #7
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Don't really know what you are trying to say but sways are a good suspension mod, depending on how much of an increase in size, that won't really have any ill side effects to ride quality......from that perspective they could be good for maintaining a respectable ride while increasing handling characteristics.

I little more information is needed and probably could be easily found by searching a bit, best of luck.
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:21 PM   #8
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Depends on what you want different from the car. The choice in upgrades depends on the owners want of the handling of the car. Stock has a certain behavior that Subaru deemed most suitable for the masses. However, individual preferences tend to deviate some from this middle ground setting. At this point, the owner has the choice to modify the suspension and change the behavior more towards his/her ideal.

Now what to change is dependent what needs to change.

You have three basic upgrades, although they're all linked.

Springs: changes overall stiffness of the car.

Note: Most "sport" springs are simply looks springs as in they lower the car for a more attractive stance. However, they are not firmer and throw away available bump travel. Less bump travel makes the car bottom out more and creates a less pleasant ride, but...it looks better. Any real sport spring will be stiffer, but this requires the damping also to be stiffer. Stock dampers are not adjustable, so they have to be swapped out for a stiffer or adjustable damper. There are direct swaps like KYB's AGX or Tokico's D-Spec, although I'm not sure if they produce variants for the new chassis yet. Koni and Feal have inserts that slip into a cut up strut (chop the tops off). Again, I'm not familiar with the new chassis rear end and what's available for those cars, research, research, research.

Dampers: modify the firmness of the ride and responsiveness of the handling, can be soft and compliant or firm and responsive. Dampers can control both the bump and rebound motions of the car, and there are a variety of damping profiles that generate different kinds of behaviors. Typically bump compression is low for compliance over bumps and rebound high to control the chassis well after bumps. It is the most common. You can get profiles that are more stiff in compression. It's rougher over bumps but improves handling responsiveness.

Note: damper rates follow spring rates. They go hand in hand and scale with each other. You can't do one without the other without making ride quality worse. The most common option is adjustable struts, preferably many adjustment points or infinitely adjustable to most exactly dial in the damping rate to any particular spring rate. Warning, if spring and damper don't match well, ride quality will suffer and can suffer quite moderately. It gets worse as you go stiffer in setups.

Swaybars: a spring system that binds the left and right wheels together. This adds stiffness side to side that helps resist body roll. Car ride can remain soft while feeling more planted and responsive. This can also be a useful tool for adjusting handling balance between understeer and oversteer.

The downside is this spring system is not damped, so it can make the car more twitchy in behavior. This can lead to snap oversteer situations if you're too aggressive with steering inputs. Side to side motions can become more sling shot than controlled movements. It also binds the left to the right side so the suspension is less independent. On rougher terrain, this can upset the car more and you can start lifting tires off the ground unnecessarily if you go too big.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:10 PM   #9
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The best place to start is tires and sways. I would ask yourself what you feel you are missing in the driving characteristics of your car.

A lot of people want to address the under-steering issues with the GR STI - thanks Jeremy Clarkson.... Unfortunately, as you push the GR models to the limits, what he said has a lot of truth to it (pre or post revisions).

the first thing you should do is make sure you have the right tires on there.

Otherwise, here is a link to check out.

http://www.wrxforums.com/forums/13-3...-endlinks.html

Sway bars are not necessarily going to solve all the problems - almost every mod has a give and take to it.
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:56 AM   #10
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Wording may be the issue, NEED no. I would like to increase the handling for daily driving, then it wouldn't be a bad improvement.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:16 PM   #11
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Lol Thanks guys. My bad for wording it bad.
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