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Old 05-03-2001, 07:11 AM   #1
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Post Why is subaru doing so bad in the WRC?

I just checked the standings, subaru is behind hyundai! What's going on, is it the new car?

If you go to www.subaru.co.uk and click the racing flag you can see the standings.

Don't go there if you want to be suprised, Speedvision appears to be 2 races behind.

I guess there just not spending the money,
that's what these racing things are about anyway.

Too bad, I really hoped they'd pull through after the recent slump.

Please don't flame me, mabye there is somthing I don't know?

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Old 05-03-2001, 07:21 AM   #2
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Well, it's a new car they're not familiar with and they'll need time to work out the kinks. Also, the drivers aren't near as familiar with it as they had been w/ the old model. And, personally, I think they took a step back w/ the new car. It's stiffer, but is that really neccessary? W/ the full roll cage and seam welding that's already done to the car anyway, does it make that much difference? It really just adds a couple hundred pounds, which I think they could do without...
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Old 05-03-2001, 07:28 AM   #3
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Bah, the weight has nothing to do with it. I'll bet you the Impreza WRC exactly meets the minimum weight requirement. It's just teething problems with the new car, and Richard not getting out of the car to help hump it out of a snowbank.

Oh, and if you want to follow what's actually going on in rally, when it happens, go to www.rally-live.com . Don't wait for Speedvision to let you know what's up.

Mr. Burns should have a good shot at winning both Argentina and the Safari Rally, as long as the car holds together. There's a lot of racing yet to be done, so don't count us out!

Edit: stupid auto-url shouldn't grab periods...

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Old 05-03-2001, 07:31 AM   #4
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it's a new car...
they are working feverishly to right the wrongs and make a winning product...

more info and the SWRT newsletter: http://www.swrt.com/newsletter6

i think things will turn around... starting now... but i am a positive thinker!!

there's tons of events left... nobody has won anything yet...

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Old 05-03-2001, 07:51 AM   #5
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how about the original impreza, when did it start rallying? It won '95 '96 '97(IIRC), but it started years before. it is extremely rare to win the first year out.
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Old 05-03-2001, 07:53 AM   #6
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They're doing poorly because the new car is so damn ugly. I just can't get used to those headlight cover things. Even the less-than-beautiful stock Impreza looks better than the WRC car.
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Old 05-03-2001, 07:56 AM   #7
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If you want up to the minute/day coverage, you should subscribe to the world rally championship email list. It's at http://www.worldrallychampionship.com . They send out emails before, during, and after the event and it's very in depth. I have been a subscriber for the last two years and have always been ahead of the pack as far as WRC knowledge and scores and whatnot. It's really a very good service for those of us that LOVE the WRC. I'm surprised no one's mentioned this before. Oh well, happy rallying.

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Old 05-03-2001, 07:57 AM   #8
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i dunno about that... that's pretty bad arse lookin!!!!

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Old 05-03-2001, 08:02 AM   #9
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New car= new setups...they will get everything figured out...I havent lost hope
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Old 05-03-2001, 08:06 AM   #10
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i've been getting those wrc emails for a year or two
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Old 05-03-2001, 08:21 AM   #11
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can anybody explain why rally-live.com shows burns in first place in ss04, but that stage isn't supposed to be run until tomorrow? is that the starting position?

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Old 05-03-2001, 09:12 AM   #12
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hmmmm new car new setup...is that why subaru is behind?
well... what about the mitsu? i thought they are running a new car too with tommi?
how come they have a pretty good result so far?
subaru need to get their act together... and get back on the winning track like they did from 95-97....
just my 2 cent..and then some..
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Old 05-03-2001, 09:23 AM   #13
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New car new setup. bah.
Subaru is behind because they are not finishing races. period. hyundai is beating subaru because they ARE finishing races. The subaru guys need to have some sense knocked into them so they will realize that first place finishes are not needed to win a championship, but finishes are. the team that comes in the top 5 on every rally of the season will beat the team that comes in first half of the time and DNF's the rest of the time. They're trying too hard.
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Old 05-03-2001, 09:34 AM   #14
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I'm not going to bash Burns on this one.

He's a great driver.

(Everyone else just seems to be better this year)

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Old 05-03-2001, 10:51 AM   #15
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When watching the last rally the subaru which got stuck in the snow bank. Posted consistent 2nd and 1st fastest times. It wasn't enough to make up for the 13mins lost though.

I don't think it's the car, maybe bad luck?

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Old 05-03-2001, 04:43 PM   #16
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I'm not sure it's the cars fault.. I think it's just been a rash of bad luck. Burns got stuck in the snow for about 20 mins in one leg and that pretty much finished him in Sweden. During several points in several of the other races, he was actually quickest on several of the stages, and makeing up time like a madman. I think desperation gets the best of you sometimes when you race.

From what I've seen of the new car, it seems like it's competitive. The drivers may not be used to it, but I think it's just normal racing on the edge. Mistakes are bound to happen sometimes. And with a new car the pressure is on them more.
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Old 05-03-2001, 06:06 PM   #17
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I'll also join trying too hard. It is WAY mo betta to finish in the top five (a given if they actualy do finish) than to be beating all the time checks, and them have a mishap in the final part of the stage and not finish.
not that I am a rally expert, but being a professional road cyclist for two years, I under stand GC races and point series!!!
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Old 05-03-2001, 06:48 PM   #18
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"to finish first..you have to first finish"

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Old 05-03-2001, 09:24 PM   #19
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Tommy Makkinen is whooping everyones ass! The subie drivers don't seem to have the talent he does. plus i believe that they weren't finishing races due to crashes, but finished well when they completed the races.
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Old 05-04-2001, 04:21 AM   #20
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It's a combination of driver error and car reliablity. You can call driver error bad luck but I think both Burns and Petter are going too fast through the corners....thus banging up their cars. Both drivers are driving like Colin McRae - fast and dangerous.

Juha Kankunen, now he was consistent. Not the fastest but at least he finished a lot of the races. The Japanese driver, Toshiro Arai(sp?), will be a Subaru points driver at Argentina I think. He's pretty consistent too. Not as fast as Burns though.

I think Subaru will win Argentina. Three seasons ago, Subaru was way behind inf points like this season. That is until they took 1st and 2nd in the Rally of Argentina.
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Old 05-04-2001, 04:38 AM   #21
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"Why is Subaru doing so badly" (IMO) may be due to the new car, that was said previously. I watched a couple of rally races, so I'm no expert. It looks as if the weight of the Subie is shifting early especially in left bends and turns. They may be fighting understreer in those situations when you brake late, the weight shifts, and there isn't enough time to point it or get the rear around fast enough. It's just an observation from 2 races, so don't make me get the asbestos suit out!!
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Old 05-04-2001, 05:13 AM   #22
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Juha is the man. He actually likes rally cars. Some of the other drivers just race them. To them it's just a job. Juha actually collects rally cars, and likes it.
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