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Old 07-01-2013, 05:50 PM   #26
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Awesome event guys. I had a blast! Can't wait till the next one!


On a side note, can't wait till the T-shirts are done also. I'm excited to get one.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:11 PM   #27
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Going to start with this: Take our survey!

moving on:

Thanks to everyone who showed up, the badlands, RSD Performance - and hopefully you all enjoyed yourselves - and maybe have started the process of getting your car clean.

not going to lie - between the weather and the added work dealing with the other UMC events going on (specifically at our race site) ended up making this event one of the most stressful to host yet. So hearing all the positive feedback so far is very encouraging.

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1. I really did appreciate the patience that everyone showed. The rain REEALLY slowed things down, and several people had to bow out as a result. But everyone stuck in there and made the most of a ****ty situation. So thank you.

2. I more than just about anyone else understand the desire to hoon in and out of the race site, especially after the adrenaline rush of finishing a timed lap. We need to keep it in check though. We had one competitor who caused a significant amount of crop damage while drifting and doing donuts on Brier Rd. That property owner has filed a police report. That CANNOT happen again, I can't stress that enough.

3. Please take our survey - we really are trying to improve things continually. We did a lot of things that were the direct result of responses from the last survey, we really want to know what worked, what didnt. (minus the weather, lol)

4. Results will be up soon - keep posted. Also, if you have pictures or video make sure you share them with us. I'll be compiling links to all the galleries and videos and putting them on the facebook page or website. The pictures do a great job of getting new people interested in the sport.


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Old 07-02-2013, 08:48 PM   #28
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Looks great. Coming out of the woods passing old finish and instead just blasting downhill into the old first corner sideways is going to be amazing!

Lets just hope for no mud
You jinxed us!
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:57 AM   #29
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2. I more than just about anyone else understand the desire to hoon in and out of the race site, especially after the adrenaline rush of finishing a timed lap. We need to keep it in check though. We had one competitor who caused a significant amount of crop damage while drifting and doing donuts on Brier Rd. That property owner has filed a police report. That CANNOT happen again, I can't stress that enough.



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That is disgusting. That is a great way to wear out our welcome and ruin it for everyone. I am pretty sure we know it was, I hope it is somehow communicated to them that they just about ruined our chance to come back. They don't realize how fragile the sport is and any negative press will greatly hinder your guys' progress and efforts to generate more interest.

That said, well done you guys on running the event. For how difficult Mother Nature was to deal with you all did a great job on keeping the event running and adjusting to the ever changing conditions. Press on!

Survey completed. Again, thanks guys, well done!
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:10 AM   #30
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A few pics from the event











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Old 07-03-2013, 12:15 PM   #31
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You jinxed us!
What do you base your claim on sir?
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That is disgusting. That is a great way to wear out our welcome and ruin it for everyone. I am pretty sure we know it was, I hope it is somehow communicated to them that they just about ruined our chance to come back. They don't realize how fragile the sport is and any negative press will greatly hinder your guys' progress and efforts to generate more interest.

That said, well done you guys on running the event. For how difficult Mother Nature was to deal with you all did a great job on keeping the event running and adjusting to the ever changing conditions. Press on!

Survey completed. Again, thanks guys, well done!
If that was the person I'm thinking of, he was crazy on the backroads all day. I hope he understands that he didn't look cool but stupid.
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A few pics from the event











Those look great,have some Group A Suby 555 ones?
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:18 PM   #32
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What do you base your claim on sir?


He was crazy on the backroads all day. I hope he understands that he didn't look cool but stupid.


Those look great,have some Group A Suby 555 ones?
Thank ya!

Unfortunately I do not, as I was running in A as well

Grp A and 555 go so well together.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:26 PM   #33
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What number did you have? How did you do? Unfortunately it started raining heavily again during our 3rd run so we just went home without finishing.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:47 PM   #34
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Here's a quick vid (that I forgot to have the mic turned on for..) that shows 555 taking the start of the parade lap. Not sure who's driving, but you're in there too Elliott (or Ken?).


And might as well put this here too. Glad I remembered to turn the mic on, and thank you to whoever helped me get it plugged back in to the gopro when it was stuck to my head.


We left early too, I was running on about 1 hour of sleep that night (which is why I groaned when I got out of the car...it was a re-run after the timing failed on #2 which was great..extra run! but damn I was exhausted), which made for maybe double digits of zzzzz's for the whole week. Yay. The thought of cleaning all that mud off... kind of sad I didn't just race, but I was dead tired and had to drive back up here that night. I have a plan for next time and I'll be there all weekend!
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:54 PM   #35
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What number did you have? How did you do? Unfortunately it started raining heavily again during our 3rd run so we just went home without finishing.
I was #17. I posted a 185 & 188 in the dry with the entire course, but only got 2 runs in, in the afternoon. Ended up out of podium, as I think I was given a bogey time. Not sure though.

A few people made the same decision you did. Dangit Mother Nature, quit raining on our parade!

Gabe - Ken was driving on the parade laps.

That course was absolutely awesome. Loved it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:13 PM   #36
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great times, if the course would stay dry all day you could win that. Well maybe get second as the white Evo was crazy fast that day.

What's your setup? suspension,tires,tire pressure,sways?

And btw I didn't get any sleep a month ago for the first even so I understand how much it sucks with concentration and all.

and yes, I loved the course layout this time also.
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great times, if the course would stay dry all day you could win that. Well maybe get second as the white Evo was crazy fast that day.

What's your setup? suspension,tires,tire pressure,sways?

And btw I didn't get any sleep a month ago for the first even so I understand how much it sucks with concentration and all.

and yes, I loved the course layout this time also.
The white Evo was crazy fast, I do agree! I wanted so badly to catch him, he ran a 178 and 185 in the morning I believe. I stayed in 2nd gear the entire course, 1st is hard to find. The car belongs to a friend of mine. He runs Cobb sway bars (I think 25mm?), lowering springs, and a 2.1L stroker I believe on the stock TD04. If he sees this, he can clarify. Definitely not set up for dirt, but he's working on it, I think he is hooked

We ran my 15" Dunlop Graspic DS-2 snow tires, at 40psi in the front and 38psi in the rear.

What about you guys?

Gabe - I forgot to try that perspective, damnit! Love it!
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:43 PM   #38
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Why did they put you in A class with TD04 and not even rally tires?? You should run B

I run Michelin FB80's ,stock suspension(totally blown rear,massively clunking front tophats), stock front sway, 20mm rear, 45psi. I slapped on my TD04 with 18psi of boost for the event as my 18g was spooling too slow for the course.
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I think because his interior is stripped as well? I'm not sure. I also told Nate, Group A during tech, just thinking towards SCCA RX rules. It was a good challenge!

You ran 45psi in gravels? Holy smokes, how did they handle? When we run stage rallies, we'll keep ours between 28-34psi at the most.

An 18g on that course would have been brutal on the spool, good call! You looked pretty damn quick out there.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:00 PM   #40
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haha I had no idea what i was doing. First time on rally tires. I've read about people running 40psi on street's so I thought with rally ones I can run even more.

Last time I ran on half-bold all seasons with stock front suspension and slammed rear on coils(no time to swap) so anything would be better this time and I though they handled great.

I was deep into 3rd on most straights. I wonder where I lost so much time(192 best)

As far as stripped interior goes it doesn't help much just like power doesn't mean much on this course. Tires are far more important.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:10 PM   #41
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I just want to say the folks at Indiana Rallycross did a great job keeping the event safe and fun. I loved the layout of the course and I can't wait for next month's event!! I would like to take up a collection though - for new cones. Lol. Especially when it started raining, the muddy cones blended in a bit too well!

I'm sad to hear that someone in the crowd damaged crops in the neighboring field. I saw the tracks going through the corn when I left.



Here are my videos, posted more for entertainment value than anything else. I am new and slow... My boyfriend had a good time calling me Cone Killer the rest of the weekend.


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haha I had no idea what i was doing. First time on rally tires. I've read about people running 40psi on street's so I thought with rally ones I can run even more.

Last time I ran on half-bold all seasons with stock front suspension and slammed rear on coils(no time to swap) so anything would be better this time and I though they handled great.

I was deep into 3rd on most straights. I wonder where I lost so much time(192 best)

As far as stripped interior goes it doesn't help much just like power doesn't mean much on this course. Tires are far more important.
Ahh gotchya. Yeah, maybe try taking them down quite a bit? They are definitely a huge improvement over AS's or snows, that is for sure. But at those pressures, they'd be slick as snot! No doubt your car had to feel worlds better over the 1st event. Tires definitely make the biggest difference over anything else. Aside from the nut behind the wheel, that is

I agree on the stripped interior, again I'm not sure why Group A aside from that is what I chose haha. No biggie, I like the competition! I've been out of the driver's seat for quite some time.


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I slipped that I was a stage 2 wrx at tech which is why I was in A. Had I kept my mouth shut I would have been in B. Although I thought even a stage 2 wrx with just a turboback and tune was under 300hp and the website says that's class B. Whatevs. It was fun.

El, YES. Helmet cam is the way to go. ...I want to see your hands on the wheel.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:45 PM   #44
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Man I really missed out on this one. Wife and I ended up going to Devil's Lake Wisconsin instead. Was nice, but I bet that mud was really fun.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:37 PM   #45
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The white Evo was crazy fast, I do agree! I wanted so badly to catch him, he ran a 178 and 185 in the morning I believe. I stayed in 2nd gear the entire course, 1st is hard to find. The car belongs to a friend of mine. He runs Cobb sway bars (I think 25mm?), lowering springs, and a 2.1L stroker I believe on the stock TD04. If he sees this, he can clarify. Definitely not set up for dirt, but he's working on it, I think he is hooked

We ran my 15" Dunlop Graspic DS-2 snow tires, at 40psi in the front and 38psi in the rear.

What about you guys?

Gabe - I forgot to try that perspective, damnit! Love it!
Lets see... The car since I owned it hates first gear. It locks it out until an almost complete stop. Yes it does have the stock turbo. Nothing fancy. No special tuning. (Tuned for safety, not for full potential.) it came with an adjustable rear sway bar. We believe it to be close to stock and Cobb. I'm on very old KYB GR2's and Tein-S lowering springs. No where near where it needs to be for dirt in the least. Heck I haven't been able to leave an event with the rear bumper still attached to the car. I fully intended on doing road racing with it till I got to play in dirt. Now I'm going full out. The at us fun as is. Wish it had a little more power but what I have is fine.
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And for the record... Only a few times was I able to really get into 3rd. I have no idea my times. I would actually LOVE to see the results board
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If you were stage 2 at all it was group A. That's cool. I didn't mind. As for sleep for the week.. I was on like 4 hrs for the week when that morning came. No sleep that night before. (It's cool I had a great time I really needed) and had jaw surgery earlier in the week. And I'm not sure who it was but someone mentioned blown rear struts? Ha! It sounds like a marching band with Tourette's lighting off fireworks in my car on pavement. Imagine dirt
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Those times are messy..

I got "awarded" 2 cones when I'm pretty sure I didn't get any while my brother didn't get any on the run when he tripped at least 3 haha. But that's great that you now say how many cone penalties were added,that helps.

And I only ran one lap during the afternoon.The other two laps were not completed because I had to wait for someone in front of me stuck in the mud(we went home after that as it started raining again)

Please Danny leave my(555) two first laps blank so people don't think I was that slow

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Those times are messy..

I got "awarded" 2 cones when I'm pretty sure I didn't get any while my brother didn't get any on the run when he tripped at least 3 haha. But that's great that you now say how many cone penalties were added,that helps.

And I only ran one lap during the afternoon.The other two laps were not completed because I had to wait for someone in front of me stuck in the mud(we went home after that as it started raining again)

Please Danny leave my(555) two first laps blank so people don't think I was that slow

The weak point in the scoring is unfortunately the cone penalties -and we've learned that timing and scoring on a course that's 4x as large as your typical rallycross course is very hard, especially without increasing the number of workers. We can only record what gets called in - and there are bound to be errors when workers either don't see, or mis-call the penalties.

We're still figuring out how to set it up the best possible - and design the course in such a way that the cones really aren't needed as much to eliminate cone calls as much as possible.

And as we all get used to this style of rally a little more things will get smoother and run better. In the mean time my main hope is that everyone had a good time - regardless of their score. (obviously the rain messed things up on multiple levels this time around also )


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on a side note - I'll explain why we class the way we do- and would love to hear your feedback:


In the SCCA you have 3 classes per drivetrain - stock/prepared/and modified.
My RS ended up in the modified class, competing against fully tuned WRX's with anti-lag, and stage 2 STi's with gravel tires. We also had several FWD and RWD cars that could very easily keep up with their AWD counterparts.

So our thought was to class cars together as close as possible based on the cars capability - and then let it be as much of a drivers match as possible. (Like a very very toned down version of Autocross classing)

The problems with that are:
1. We don't have enough competitors to really really match everyone evenly. We arbitrarily decided on 4 classes because the numbers work out very well to keep things even and make every class have a good number of people. This does mean you still get some disparity between cars.

2. Weather - a 2WD car in the rain and mud has a much larger handicap than an AWD car in the rain/mud

3. Identifying which classes to put cars in is not as concrete as It could be, and I understand why there is some confusion. Currently we leave final classing up to the person running tech inspection in the morning, with the goal of trying to evenly place cars in the 4 classes as much as possible. We have general guidelines that we aim to follow - but sometimes we may take some liberties based on individual cars. After this series we will re-evaluate how we do classing.


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