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Old 10-23-2013, 03:36 PM   #76
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did you not take it to a subaru dealership? I would find a different one and bring it back, obviously you have a problem
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:47 PM   #77
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Called SOA and sure enough, went back to dealer and told the service rep what SOA told me. Got it done. Except, there were no issues. Everything is with in specs.
Looking at that sheet, nothing was done. All they did was check it. The passenger side is very close to being out of range.

Also, with the front right tire @ -.09 (toe out) and the front left @.06 (toe in), the tires are pointing to the right instead of straight. Since the toe's are off, so is the trust angle, which be should be 0.00. That means your car is going down the road slightly crooked

I can't believe they didn't adjust your car. I see your sheet shows Dallas and my iPhone map shows five Subaru dealerships in the area. I'd go to one of the other four and have them look at it.
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Old 10-23-2013, 06:18 PM   #78
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Well yeah I didn't mean AWD. I'm just saying he shouldn't rotate his almost certainly directional tires like that.
Nobody said they were rotating directional tires. I was comparing two different rotation patterns...one which has the tires in their original location every other rotation that someone said is "the best way" and the way I suggested which has each of the four tires at each of the 4 corners after four rotations.
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Old 10-23-2013, 06:32 PM   #79
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Looking at that sheet, nothing was done. All they did was check it. The passenger side is very close to being out of range. Also, with the front right tire @ -.09 (toe out) and the front left @.06 (toe in), the tires are pointing to the right instead of straight. Since the toe's are off, so is the trust angle, which be should be 0.00. That means your car is going down the road slightly crooked I can't believe they didn't adjust your car. I see your sheet shows Dallas and my iPhone map shows five Subaru dealerships in the area. I'd go to one of the other four and have them look at it.
Assuming the technician locked the steering wheel at the straight ahead and level position you would be correct. However, seeing those numbers and having done MANY MANY alignments and being certified by Hunter, I would bet a week's pay that he had the wheel ever so slightly turned to the right, hence, one side positive one negative and total toe is only -0.03. That being said, if you straightened the wheel, your front would still be on the edge if not over spec. Regardless, a GOOD AND HONEST tech, would have seen those numbers, adjusted rear toe, and then adjusted front like he should have done. CLL_OBP is right...they didn't do an alignment, they "checked" it and called it good enough.

However, I can tell you this also, the car is not going down the road slightly crooked, not with those numbers. That little bit of thrust angle is NOTHING. I've seen cars with much worse that track straight and true.
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Old 10-23-2013, 06:34 PM   #80
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after they did mine they set the rear toe to 0.11 and it tracks so much nicer.
How do you mean? Elaborate?
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:03 PM   #81
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How do you mean? Elaborate?
the toe was out, they pretty much just centered it up, and the car tracks much nicer now
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:08 PM   #82
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the toe was out, they pretty much just centered it up, and the car tracks much nicer now
That's basically the same thing you said before...can you elaborate on how exactly it tracks better? What was it doing before and how is it better now?
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:41 PM   #83
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That's basically the same thing you said before...can you elaborate on how exactly it tracks better? What was it doing before and how is it better now?
tracks straighter? steering feels more neutral? i don't know it just drives nicer
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:09 PM   #84
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tracks straighter? steering feels more neutral? i don't know it just drives nicer
I think that's the placebo effect...what little bit of toe was adjusted would not have that kind of handling affect.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:06 AM   #85
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Assuming the technician locked the steering wheel at the straight ahead and level position you would be correct. However, seeing those numbers and having done MANY MANY alignments and being certified by Hunter, I would bet a week's pay that he had the wheel ever so slightly turned to the right, hence, one side positive one negative and total toe is only -0.03. That being said, if you straightened the wheel, your front would still be on the edge if not over spec. Regardless, a GOOD AND HONEST tech, would have seen those numbers, adjusted rear toe, and then adjusted front like he should have done. CLL_OBP is right...they didn't do an alignment, they "checked" it and called it good enough.

However, I can tell you this also, the car is not going down the road slightly crooked, not with those numbers. That little bit of thrust angle is NOTHING. I've seen cars with much worse that track straight and true.
So you are or were an alignment specialist? When someone comes in for an alignment, wouldn't you examine the condition of the tires first? If the tires are wore out on the inside, obviously some adjustments need to be made.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:47 AM   #86
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If the tires are wore out on the inside, obviously some adjustments need to be made.
This is what I dont understand. If everything is within spec, what is up with the wear? I guess my best bet is to get a second opinion.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:26 PM   #87
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So you are or were an alignment specialist? When someone comes in for an alignment, wouldn't you examine the condition of the tires first? If the tires are wore out on the inside, obviously some adjustments need to be made.
Yes I am. Also ASE certified in steering and suspension. First I'd do a road test because a lot of people say their car pulls when it really doesn't. Second, yes I would absolutely do a tire inspection/suspension inspection. That being said, it is absolutely possible and common for tires to show signs of wear but have alignment angles within spec. Lack of rotation is very common for tire wear. I can tell you this, no matter what your owners manual tells you, tire manufacturers (many) will tell you to rotate 5-7k miles. Pushing it to 7500+ every time will definitely give you inner edge wear, especially when you have a car like ours and many many others that come with some negative camber from the factory. Remember, roads are crowned for drainage and manufacturers know that and set their vehicles up to handle best on the roads they will most likely be driving on.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:02 PM   #88
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Thanks jsteg! This has been very informative. I will definately rotate more often.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:20 PM   #89
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Hey guys, happy I found this thread. I have exactly the same issue, and the tires were totally slick on the inner edge of all 4 tires. I have a good alignment done in April last year and just replaced the tires now with Continental PureContact High Performance All Season 205/50R17XL tires. So I have 2 good wheel alignments by 2 different shops about 1 year apart with both doing nothing because it was in spec and still have massive inner wear on all tires. I followed rotation at 7500 by dealership. Anybody else have the same issue on a second set of tires when replaced with a different brand? If I only get 25k out of a set of tires its going to get really expensive? Basic question is here with a alignment in spec why did the AVIDS wear out like that? I wish I could post pics as I have all 4 tires and the alignment sheets.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:31 PM   #90
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Something is probably wrong. One lady has a set with 75k+ on them and they rolled out of the factory on the car. I may dislike aspects of the car, but my two sets of yokos have been wonderful in terms of wear.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:55 PM   #91
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Hey guys, happy I found this thread. I have exactly the same issue, and the tires were totally slick on the inner edge of all 4 tires. I have a good alignment done in April last year and just replaced the tires now with Continental PureContact High Performance All Season 205/50R17XL tires. So I have 2 good wheel alignments by 2 different shops about 1 year apart with both doing nothing because it was in spec and still have massive inner wear on all tires. I followed rotation at 7500 by dealership. Anybody else have the same issue on a second set of tires when replaced with a different brand? If I only get 25k out of a set of tires its going to get really expensive? Basic question is here with a alignment in spec why did the AVIDS wear out like that? I wish I could post pics as I have all 4 tires and the alignment sheets.
Wish I could tell you what the issues is but I had the same exact problem. I also had two alignments done because of how bad my stock yokos were wearing. Luckily I only had to pay for one alignment. Personally, I feel like the stock AVIDS were some of the worst tires I have ever had on a vehicle.

At the end of last fall I installed 4 brand-new snow tires. So far I have put about 8000 miles on them and they seem to be wearing evenly as far as I can tell. I plan to inspect them really well for inconsistent wear when I remove them in the spring. I'm also rotating them more often than the recommended 7500 miles. Someone has suggested that rotating every 5000 miles may help.
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Wish I could tell you what the issues is but I had the same exact problem. I also had two alignments done because of how bad my stock yokos were wearing. Luckily I only had to pay for one alignment. Personally, I feel like the stock AVIDS were some of the worst tires I have ever had on a vehicle.

At the end of last fall I installed 4 brand-new snow tires. So far I have put about 8000 miles on them and they seem to be wearing evenly as far as I can tell. I plan to inspect them really well for inconsistent wear when I remove them in the spring. I'm also rotating them more often than the recommended 7500 miles. Someone has suggested that rotating every 5000 miles may help.
Appreciate the response. It's looking like it's the tires. Easy fix and not something more serious.
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Wish I could tell you what the issues is but I had the same exact problem. I also had two alignments done because of how bad my stock yokos were wearing. Luckily I only had to pay for one alignment. Personally, I feel like the stock AVIDS were some of the worst tires I have ever had on a vehicle.

At the end of last fall I installed 4 brand-new snow tires. So far I have put about 8000 miles on them and they seem to be wearing evenly as far as I can tell. I plan to inspect them really well for inconsistent wear when I remove them in the spring. I'm also rotating them more often than the recommended 7500 miles. Someone has suggested that rotating every 5000 miles may help.
I agree. It is also ny opinion that subaru's 7500mi service interval for tires and oil is very optimistic.
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I agree. It is also ny opinion that subaru's 7500mi service interval for tires and oil is very optimistic.
I agree on the tires, but how do you figure on the oil?? We're talking about synthetic here, which some OEM's go as high as 10,000 between oil changes.
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I agree on the tires, but how do you figure on the oil?? We're talking about synthetic here, which some OEM's go as high as 10,000 between oil changes.
i know- my friends tundra will go 10,000 miles on its 0w20 without nannying or top offs. Not the Subaru.
They should have put the service interval at 5k.
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i know- my friends tundra will go 10,000 miles on its 0w20 without nannying or top offs. Not the Subaru.
They should have put the service interval at 5k.
Have you seen any Used Oil Analyses from current Subaru engines showing that the oil is providing inadequate lubrication at 5k miles?
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Tires, ya, I do 5k rotations, 2k on my snows because they're unidirection (I don't know if this is correct, but more rotation can't hurt right?).

Oil, YMMV!

My short commute trashes my oil. I get out on the highway 1-2 times a week, but otherwise it's very short trips all the time. I havent' done a UOA yet from commuting, I will at the end of the spring, but I don't really want to push more than 4-5k from the oil. 4-5k commuting for me gets me more than 6 months.

On a road trip, 4k miles, of which maybe 1k is in the mountains, I'm probably easily ok to go to 7-8k, probably even further on the oil.

If someone was doing 50 miles one way 2x a day in easy/no traffic, they can probably easily pull 10k and more on an oil change.
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Have you seen any Used Oil Analyses from current Subaru engines showing that the oil is providing inadequate lubrication at 5k miles?
Nope- but if you have burned a quart or more in that 5000, wouldnt it be safer just to do the oil and tires every 5000?
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Nope- but if you have burned a quart or more in that 5000, wouldnt it be safer just to do the oil and tires every 5000?
That's my point. I can't answer that question without data from a UOA. To answer that question in any other way would be mere speculation.

One could easily argue that by adding fresh oil between oil changes, you're "refreshing" some of the oil's lubricating properties, and therefore you can extend your OCI even further. But again, that's just speculation.
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Nope- but if you have burned a quart or more in that 5000, wouldnt it be safer just to do the oil and tires every 5000?
Yeah but not everyone does. I've got 36k on my 2012 sedan and have NEVER had an oil light or had to top off a single drop and I've been following the 7500 since day 1.
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