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Old 06-05-2013, 10:05 AM   #26
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I would rather have an ATS at that price.
Even though it is slower and smaller. This thing seems to be CTS in size.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:06 AM   #27
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:23 PM   #28
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Well that begs the question.

How much does it actually weight

Certain cars are good at hiding their weight. (EVO and GTR come to mind)
MT estimating at an even 4k on the Curb Weight
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:06 PM   #29
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I would rather have an ATS at that price.
Even though it is slower and smaller. This thing seems to be CTS in size.
A cheaper chevy version of the ATS with a 3.6 with a 6 speed would be awesome. Not gonna happen, but that would be nice...
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:52 PM   #30
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The problem with this car is that it is built in Australia. Australia's car industry is proper ****ed right now with out-of-control costs. Now throw in the fact that this car is being exported to the US, a market that is super competitive with low cost cars. GM simply can't afford to make a cheaper version at a higher volume. They are likely just barely in the black on these $44k versions as is. A cheaper version would mean increased volume and they would probably have to invest in people and hardware to make the additional units. This car was probably dreamed up as 5,000 or 10,000 units to help keep the assembly lines running in Australia so they didn't have to completely pull out of the country for manufacturing. Ford already said **** it, I'm out. Toyota is asking for incentives from the Australian government to keep their manufacturing operations open there. It isn't a matter of what GM wants to offer. They simply have to sell a high margin version in order to have any hope of breaking even.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:02 PM   #31
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I'd rather do gently used V2 CTS-V for that money. Or E92 M3. Or IS-F. Or C6 Z06, if I'm feeling a two door.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:11 PM   #32
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^^ or wait and do a gently used SS V8 for low $20s in a couple years.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:22 PM   #33
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If one were to pay sticker for this car, finance it for 5 years at 2% financing (with 6% Maryland sales tax), you're looking at around $830/month with no down payment..... for a Chevy sedan

methinks this car is only built to be a showroom floor queen.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:58 PM   #34
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I hate that this is branded as a Chevy. It immediately taints it in my mind as garbage. Hell, i'd probably like it more as a Hummer or a Saturn.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:30 PM   #35
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If one were to pay sticker for this car, finance it for 5 years at 2% financing (with 6% Maryland sales tax), you're looking at around $830/month with no down payment..... for a Chevy sedan

methinks this car is only built to be a showroom floor queen.
And consider the initial dealer markup at the dealers that will actually get one or two to display. I think the idea is to bring people in but push Impala and Malibu sales for the 4 door crowd or push Camaro and Corvette sales for more focused performance buyers.

While the SS does look good, IMO, it doesn't have the presence or unique looks the G8 had or what the Charger or 300 have or obviously the nameplate to compete against luxury brands. It blends in too much with the rest of the Chevy car lineup to be considered as a halo sports sedan. I still feel the Holden Commodor sedan lineup should have been the Impala lineup for the US.

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Old 06-06-2013, 06:34 PM   #36
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People are missing the point on the SS. It's going to be a very low volume trim for the car enthusiasts.

The sales of the SS trim is very small fraction of the total Caprices being sold.

People who want that car will buy that car.

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Old 06-07-2013, 11:45 AM   #37
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People are missing the point on the SS. It's going to be a very low volume trim for the car enthusiasts.

The sales of the SS trim is very small fraction of the total Caprices being sold.

People who want that car will buy that car.
I think it is understood that it will be a low volume limited production car, but this is GM/Chevy stepping up finally (since the short run G8) to compete with the established Chrysler/Dodge sport/luxury sedans and even the Taurus with some aspirations to go against Euro brands. It's a tough task in itself but GM has also decided to call it solely "SS" which holds a lot of weight to the Chevy performance world which it better hold up to.

The SS/Commodore is a shorter wheelbase of the Caprice that is not sold to the US public so in itself it's only a stand alone model which doesn't bode well when looking at direct sales figures.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:01 PM   #38
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This SS is a test. If the reception is good, Chevy has said it would build a completely redesigned SS on the Alpha platform in a few years.

This is a great thing. My ATS is an Alpha platform car. You'd be hard pressed to find a tighter chassis in a current production model.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:02 PM   #39
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I was waiting on the GXP 6 speed, but before I could even go look, they went out of business. Not sure if I would have liked it or not, I did as you know love the GTO though. Holden-Australia really knows what they are doing, it will be a fairly decent car, but don't expect much performance out of it without some work, and with that price tag its going to get expensive. This formula basically reminds me of the mid 90's Chevy Caprice SS.
My pops has a GXP 6, pretty impressive car. More of a vicious limousine than a sports car though. I'd like to throw it around a road course and see how it fairs. But, in the straight, it's quite enjoyable. I could see it with a few mods. .
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:51 PM   #40
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I just don't understand a car like this.....it could have been so much more, even a DCT would have made more sense. I just don't see this thing selling that many units; GM will then stop making it and blame it on lack of consumer appeal.
This technology is still in the works for GM. Not in any current production vehicles at this point, but a friend of mine at one of their facilities is working with DCT technology.

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I will hold out judgement for the reviews of how it handles. Not expecting much.
If it makes you any happier GM did bring the Aussies up to northern Michigan for winter test to help with testing, calibration, and validation.

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I would rather have an ATS at that price.
Even though it is slower and smaller. This thing seems to be CTS in size.
Duh? It's a full-size Chevy sedan with a V8. It's not a small or mid-size sedan. It's not a luxury car. It's a car for those who care more for grunt and sound than leather and air conditioned seats. If that's not you then I think they expect you aren't going to love the car.

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I hate that this is branded as a Chevy. It immediately taints it in my mind as garbage. Hell, i'd probably like it more as a Hummer or a Saturn.
This is perhaps a lot of what GM is hoping to change. Chevy has long been the lowest of GM's brands. With the elimination of Saturn, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile GM needs to ramp up some portions of Chevy to bring customers back to a new GM brand. If they are to survive Chevy can't be the cheap-o brand. They have to create some models in the lineup that show more excitement and more refinement.

I think they've done a great job with this vehicle. If you want a manual transmission, 50/50 weight balance, great handling, V8, RWD, and all the fancy creature comforts go spend double the money on an M3. You'll get a much better car...for twice the money.

For ****s sake...an STi is $40k these days. At least the SS has leg room in the rear seats and a trunk large enough to hold something.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:38 PM   #41
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For ****s sake...an STi is $40k these days. At least the SS has leg room in the rear seats and a trunk large enough to hold something.
$35K after destination, but okay...

And the trunk is pretty large on the 4-door WRX/STi. Not compared to a full-size sedan but then again, the WRX/STi is not a full-size sedan.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:48 PM   #42
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$35K after destination, but okay...

And the trunk is pretty large on the 4-door WRX/STi. Not compared to a full-size sedan but then again, the WRX/STi is not a full-size sedan.
A fully loaded Limited was $40,000 when I went looking, which is nuts for a beer can with a turbo 4 cyl attached, ended up with a WRX Limited instead.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:57 PM   #43
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For ****s sake...an STi is $40k these days. At least the SS has leg room in the rear seats and a trunk large enough to hold something.
Yeah a completely decked out STi, this car is STARTING AT 44,000 with a sun roof and a nav and what ever they will require you to get with that and your already looking at 46-48+.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:21 PM   #44
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Yeah a completely decked out STi, this car is STARTING AT 44,000 with a sun roof and a nav and what ever they will require you to get with that and your already looking at 46-48+.
It starts at $45.5k with destination, and you need to actually read the OP. There are only 2 options, and you've gotten them wrong.

Hint: nav is standard.

I think this is a fat turd with a slush box, but at least read the article.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:27 PM   #45
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^^+1 you owned him

The SS is gonna be a fantastic car. American 4 door muscle.

I won't be purchasing one, but still cool that Chevy can offer it.

Maybe an SS ZC-1 will be on horizon. ZR-1, ZL-1, and Z?-1 would be sweet.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:31 PM   #46
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about time Chevy improved their interior!!!
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:57 PM   #47
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Duh? It's a full-size Chevy sedan with a V8. It's not a small or mid-size sedan.
It's a mid-sized.

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Old 06-09-2013, 06:43 PM   #48
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It's a mid-sized.

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Uh, no? It's full-size.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:12 PM   #49
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Uh, no? It's full-size.
Interior space is probably same or less than most C segment [midsize] cars. Interior space is the compromise that comes with RWD and classic sport sedan proportions.

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Old 06-09-2013, 07:28 PM   #50
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Interior space is probably same or less than most C segment [midsize] cars. Interior space is the compromise that comes with RWD and classic sport sedan proportions.
That doesn't change what I said though.
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