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Old 06-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #251
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:11 PM   #252
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You can't hand over the keys of a 300hp AWD turbo car to a 16 year old and expect them to drive it slow and safely all the time. Hell, I don't expect anyone with a 300hp AWD turbo car to drive it slow and safely all the time. Even a WRX is asking a 16 year old to wreck it. I'd buy my kid a nice light manual <200hp RWD car, great to learn on and if he wants to put money into it to make it faster, go for it. But you're payin for your speeding tickets
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:18 PM   #253
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i'd say go for it ...be the coolest kid on the block
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:23 PM   #254
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i'd say go for it ...be the coolest kid to crash into the block
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:47 PM   #255
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You guys are silly .. acting like a car with under 300hp is this crazy machine that is too much for anyone but the most experienced driver. Give me a break ... When I was in high school we laughed at 265hp.

I'm 36, and my first car was a 69 Chevelle with a modded 400 small block and muncie 4spd. I bought this on a loan from my dad, and paid him back with my meager part time job earnings. The car came with no power steering or power breaks (was an option back then). This car was just over 400hp, and had 4.11 gears ... It was fast.

My point? Well, the world did not end because I was 16 and owned a fast car .. and I'm still here to talk about it. All my little buddies had old muscle cars also and none blew up from the amazing power. Some of you are way too over protective and dramatic ... Its no wonder the young guys nowdays are so clueless.

My son is not yet driving age, but when he is I will allow him to get any dang car he wants and can afford. That's how a love, respect, and desire to work on performance cars starts ... Not by telling them a sub 300 hp econobox is too much to handle lol.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:51 PM   #256
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They aren't your kids and if they crash its not anyone else problem but the teen behind the wheel..
Oh, neat.

I had no idea only the driver was injured in car wrecks.

Good to know that being the passenger in the car, passenger in another car or walking down the side walk makes me impervious to vehicles and the idiot children driving them..

Weird, could have sworn it wasn't that way.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:06 AM   #257
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My point? Well, the world did not end because I was 16 and owned a fast car .. and I'm still here to talk about it. All my little buddies had old muscle cars also and none blew up from the amazing power. Some of you are way too over protective and dramatic ... Its no wonder the young guys nowdays are so clueless.
I guess it's all about perspective. We had 4 kids die in my high school street racing all with turboed/supercharged something or others. If you grow up respecting the car then when you turn 16 you don't do something stupid.....if your parents wait until your 16 and buy you a STI without the introduction to car culture then it's dumb. We had a kid in a GTI crash into a pole at 120MPH and fly through the front into oncoming traffic. He had obviously not been brought up to respect cars or the potential for tragedy. For lack of a better analogy, it's like guns. If you grow up with guns in a controlled environment then you learn how to use them safely. If someone gives you a RPG at 16 it's going to be bad.

I had a 83 HP Ford Escort I bought from my dad at 16 and was stoked I didn't have to have a bike. My kid won't have something where he has the option to be dumb. If he wants that, he can pay for it. No high school kid needs anything over 130HP.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:58 AM   #258
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I guess people didn't get my point but then again its the internet. People just come here to argue over dumb ****. Nothing is going to change but I'm sure everyone will realize that one day..

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Old 06-20-2013, 02:29 AM   #259
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Why does it matter? They aren't your kids and if they crash its not anyone else problem but the teen behind the wheel. If he got an STi as young kid then he's a lucky kid. People on here worry about the wrong things. Let these kids enjoy their lives. Everyone sounds like old farts and angry on here. What everyone should do is educate these kids about the cars so they don't f*ck them up. Kids will be kids and a thread or everyone bashing through the internet isn't going to change any of that.
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Wow you're dense.
I concur. Irresponsible, reckless, and dangerous drivers come in all ages, sex, race, etc; but they don't pose a danger only to themselves.

When most people hear or read "victim of drunk driving," they generally think of the person who died as a result of their encounter with a drunk driver rather than the drunk driver him or herself.

It's not uncommon for repeat offender DUI/DWI. They can go to AA, rehab, take whatever classes they're forced to by a judge, but many continue the same irresponsible behavior.

I'm sure many of us did really dumb things in their cars when they were younger. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time, it was fun and regardless how many tickets or how many lectures, you still did what you wanted to do.

Bottom line, if you're concerned that an STi is too much car for your child, then don't buy them an STi.
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:38 AM   #260
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Starsky: "It's my mother, she always used to say that I... that this was too much car for me to handle."
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:48 AM   #261
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^^^^Fortunate? You're an idiot. It has to do with not wanting my kid to kill him/herself and others due to lack of experience. I don't care how smart or responsible you think you are at 16. You're not.



Never.
I might have to disagree with you as my buddy had a volvo turbo and now owns an sti and never once was in trouble. The kinda nerdy kid that left the party at 7:30 to be home for 8:30 to reach home at 8 that kinda 16, you just maybe didn't give a **** nor still do lol apple won't fall far from the tree
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:23 AM   #262
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I might have to disagree with you as my buddy had a volvo turbo and now owns an sti and never once was in trouble. The kinda nerdy kid that left the party at 7:30 to be home for 8:30 to reach home at 8 that kinda 16, you just maybe didn't give a **** nor still do lol apple won't fall far from the tree
statistical outlier... your buddy was an exception and doesn't fall near the mean of the bell curve.

I see this argument all the time on motorcycle forums when some guy is trying to convince a new rider to get a larger displacement bike from the get go because it worked for him. You don't hear about all the people it didn't work for because... well, you know... they fell closer to the mean of the bell curve.

Though using outliers to support an argument doesn't make much sense, it sure is a lot of fun. Whenever someone says anything derogatory about Black and/or African Americans, I say, "I disagree as my buddy, President Obama, is Black, and he got his BA from Columbia, JD at Harvard Law, became President of the United States, and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."

Let's all just raise our kids the way we want and go about our lives the way we see fit. We all have different reasons why we think it's a good idea, bad idea, or just don't give a damned.

Why can't we just have just another plain ol' WRX vs STi thread?
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:18 AM   #263
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I see so many young kids whose parents bought them their car. Any thoughts on this ??
I personally wouldn't think even for a second about buying either one of my children a high performance sports car as their first vehicle. I would prefer buying a new cheap car with great gas mileage and a wonderful warranty to back it up.

I teach my children that while it is nice to have nice things, they must work for them. They understand the meaning of needs vs. desires.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:27 AM   #264
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You guys are silly .. acting like a car with under 300hp is this crazy machine that is too much for anyone but the most experienced driver. Give me a break ... When I was in high school we laughed at 265hp.

I'm 36, and my first car was a 69 Chevelle with a modded 400 small block and muncie 4spd. I bought this on a loan from my dad, and paid him back with my meager part time job earnings. The car came with no power steering or power breaks (was an option back then). This car was just over 400hp, and had 4.11 gears ... It was fast.

My point? Well, the world did not end because I was 16 and owned a fast car .. and I'm still here to talk about it. All my little buddies had old muscle cars also and none blew up from the amazing power. Some of you are way too over protective and dramatic ... Its no wonder the young guys nowdays are so clueless.

My son is not yet driving age, but when he is I will allow him to get any dang car he wants and can afford. That's how a love, respect, and desire to work on performance cars starts ... Not by telling them a sub 300 hp econobox is too much to handle lol.
As if your personal experience is anything indicative of the population as a whole.

This is bad parenting right here.

I'm sure this kid's parent thought he was a perfect little angel too - until he killed four of his friends while high in his STi.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/i...OsbMsH23VZxQqM
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:28 PM   #266
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Everyone who says all teenagers are immature and inexperienced, you're wrong and you're a complete idiot. Teenagers aren't all irresponsible, we can make dumb choices and we can make smart choices. But if you give a teen a nice car, he will most likely take care of it. I know I would. My car which was given too me has not been totaled nor am I dead. I've also been driving for a few years and know that I'm very much more experienced than most people driving in my town. So when you say teenagers are immature and lack the experience shutup and reevaluate your life before you criticize someone else's just because of their age. Thanks
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Everyone who says all teenagers are immature and inexperienced, you're wrong and you're a complete idiot. Teenagers aren't all irresponsible, we can make dumb choices and we can make smart choices.
On the road, yes, you *all* are immature and inexperienced. You're not born with the instincts and the skills needed to safely pilot a 3k lb killing machine, sorry. I haven't met a teenager yet that didn't think they were a professional race car driver and you certainly aren't disproving that notion.

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But if you give a teen a nice car, he will most likely take care of it. I know I would. My car which was given too me has not been totaled nor am I dead. I've also been driving for a few years and know that I'm very much more experienced than most people driving in my town.
You are not everyone. Your experience does not apply to your entire age group as a whole. Again, everyone thinks they're a perfect little angel and the best driver in the world. Statistics prove that teenagers on a whole are the most dangerous group of drivers because of a lack of skill and an abundance of overconfidence. Again, you're not disproving that either.

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Ok, kiddo. The statistics don't lie - statistically, YOU ARE THE WORST, MOST DANGEROUS GROUP OF DRIVERS. But like most teens, you obviously can't be told anything because you already knew it, amiright?
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:27 PM   #268
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I raced shifter-karts and a young age and that fueled me to get into "fast cars", My parents never bought me a car, I just worked for everything I really wanted. So at age 17 I bought a Geo Metro and swapped it, drove fast on the back roads and what not but I never was one to put any lives in danger like all my peers at the time.
Then at 19 I bought my wrx, that was already built to 340awhp. And I never drive it like I stole it unless it's a gravel/ dirt road. Maybe the on-ramps. But It's always my friends that try to entice me to drive fast. I never fall for it though..
To answer the question though i'd never buy my kid a nice car, but help them by giving them work then they can buy what they want.
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:45 PM   #269
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I'm 18 and drive a vf39 wrx with other mods. I do understand both sides of the arguement. When people get in my car I never go fast or do anything that can put lives In danger more than they are by entering a car. With just me on a back road I will open it up, around town I usually don't speed around town with the occasional pull to put a smile on my face. But that's with no one around, on a bigger street, and no cars near.
Just my experience as a driver and what happens to me.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:25 PM   #270
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I was the proud owner of the biggest hooptie in the Guilford High parking lot. What was this beauty you might ask. Hold on I'll get there. This Fire breather had 3 polished American racing rims, a hand rolled. Sun faded Barn red paint job. 1.5 Furious liters under the hood and 4 on the floor. Yeah my 83' Datsun sentra was pretty bad. In every sense of the word, But kids should start out in similar junk boxes. Perhaps something a bit safer though huh? I'll tell ya I certainly learned something about humility and how to be attentive to the signals my rolling scrap heap were sending me. All and all I think those parents who just buy away for their kids should get used to the trend they're setting. Something nicer as a reward for constant hard work in and out of school is fine in my eyes it justifies hard work for kids who just like the rest of us. Just wanna screw off. Hopefully if they've earned it through working their butt off they would treat it as such.

I was a wildman that the police were familiar with and an abuser of anything mechanized. If it operated by internal combustion. I could be seen wringing it out with gusto into a smoldering pile. If you like your kid. get him an 83'datsun hell up the bar get him 91 escort GT
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I guess it's all about perspective. We had 4 kids die in my high school street racing all with turboed/supercharged something or others. If you grow up respecting the car then when you turn 16 you don't do something stupid.....if your parents wait until your 16 and buy you a STI without the introduction to car culture then it's dumb. We had a kid in a GTI crash into a pole at 120MPH and fly through the front into oncoming traffic. He had obviously not been brought up to respect cars or the potential for tragedy. For lack of a better analogy, it's like guns. If you grow up with guns in a controlled environment then you learn how to use them safely. If someone gives you a RPG at 16 it's going to be bad.

I had a 83 HP Ford Escort I bought from my dad at 16 and was stoked I didn't have to have a bike. My kid won't have something where he has the option to be dumb. If he wants that, he can pay for it. No high school kid needs anything over 130HP.
Completely agree with this. I myself started with a '95 Impreza, then 'upgraded' to a '98. No real power increase... '95 was hit from behind.

Now with my WRX and stage 2, I respect the power, even though to some it might seem like nothing. Truth is, if you gave a stage 2 WRX to a 16 year old, he'd surely get speeding tickets or have other issues.

Plus, you as the owner don't respect the car. I want to start small and continue to upgrade all my life... or at least not go backward. Qucik story, my buddy in HS had a Roush stage 2 Mustang, black, quick car. He used it through HS and college. Now after graduating, he's downgraded to a Pontiac Vibe.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:40 PM   #273
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I think everybody is wayyy over thinking this. I bought my WRX at 17, yes!! With MY hard earned money, not mommy and daddy's!! And maybe it's because I spent all of my money on this car that I drive so carefully. 300hp is not too much for a new driver that has common sense. Unless you're child is a complete moron than why would you not let them have an sti? Help them learn how to handle the power and make sure they know how the car responds in certain situations before you send them off on there own and they should be just fine.
Good point. It might be less about the power and younger kids going nuts on it.

If you buy a 2000 NA Legacy with your hard earned money at 17, you'll probably respect it due to the time and effort put into acquiring it. If you are given that same Legacy, chances are you'll beat the hell of it and do stupid things... it's value is less to you.

Same goes for a WRX/STI. Make that 17 year old work for that WRX and he'll sure as hell not do anything stupid with it for fear of losing it.

Sometimes, although very rarely, even at 25, I need a reality check in mine. I've never had a speeding ticket, but I went 100MPH through a tunnel at 2am once. Did the same with my 135HP OBS up to 90MPH on the highway late at night.

Fun, but I do realize even those times I was being a dumbass.
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Not to poke fun at death, but this line from this article made me laugh:

First of all, who the f*ck says that? Secondly, I would bet it's stock or at the very most stage 2 since it still has stock wheels. F*cking journalists...
Reporters are morons...
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