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Old 06-10-2013, 01:29 PM   #26
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Reasons I know stikilla is a dumbass:

He has STi in his username.

He has killa in there too.

He thinks age and maturity don't go hand in hand.

He's obviously too young, or stupid, or a combo of both to realize that.

He keeps saying fortunate when it has nothing to do with the fact that nobody with half a brain would throw their kid behind the wheel of an STi as a starter car.

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Old 06-10-2013, 01:30 PM   #27
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I'm glad my parents waited until I was 18 to buy me my STI. I feel more responsible, and it makes me mad when I see kids driving around in them.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #28
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Reasons I know stikilla is a dumbass:

He has STi in his username.

He has killa in there too.

He thinks age and maturity don't go hand in hand.

He's obviously too young, or stupid, or a combo of both to realize that.

He keeps saying fortunate when it has nothing to do with the fact that nobody with half a brain would throw their kid behind the wheel of an STi as a starter car.

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Agreed as a starter car but as long as the kid is trust worthy I would. I'm 17 had a wrx for a year paid for by me an I have never got in an accident or gotten a ticket.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #29
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I'm going to assume it's safe to say that statistics PROVE that kids are uneducated (not using the dumb, idiot, retarded names) and very irresponsible(general speaking and doesn't apply to all but may 99% :-p ). If these statistics weren't true, our insurance rates would not be astronomical and accidents would be reduced by something like 70% or something ballpark like that IF kids were to drive more responsibly and were properly educated. But that's not just on them......
I agree with what you are saying here (although my insurance rates are pretty low, I'm alway amazed at the rates thrown around in those insurance threads). The point im trying to make is none of that is car make and model dependent.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:33 PM   #30
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I hate that people on NASIOC in particular are such haters on fortunate people. I bought my own 03 bugeye and now my 11 STI, but if someone wanted to buy either for me there is no chance I would have said "no, id like to spend my own money on it, but thanks".

Nothing like bashing people who happen to be fortunate. Just a bunch of bitter people who wish someone had given them an STI. For those who say you wouldn't take a free STI tell your lies somewhere else.

Who cares how anyone got their cars on this website. We all have the same/similar passions for subarus or we wouldnt frequent NASIOC.

a search would have yielded all the people who already gripe about this on a regular basis.
So there are two issues at work here:

The OP didn't ask if anyone wanted to have an STi bought for them at a young age, of course we all would have said yes.

The OP asked if buying an STi for a young person was a good idea. Two different topics.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:34 PM   #31
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I would start with a lesser car if you're going to buy someone an ownership experience. Which is what you are doing.

The whole upkeep and cost of ownership thing should be included. Because that is independence. Your judgment as a parent should be without question.
If it isn't then don't proceed or compromise until such time.

This should be an emotion free decision.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:34 PM   #32
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I got a wrx at 17. 50k miles for graduation. Im now 19 and it has 100k miles with 350hp. Still in one piece, no speeding tickets. Never did any illegal racing on the streets. If the kid is responsible than why not?
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:35 PM   #33
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So there are two issues at work here:

The OP didn't ask if anyone wanted to have an STi bought for them at a young age, of course we all would have said yes.

The OP asked if buying an STi for a young person was a good idea. Two different topics.
Ehhh... He ain't the brightest.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:35 PM   #34
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and to add on, maybe not an STI, a wrx is a better fit, it's not as fast, it's safe and it's still fun
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:36 PM   #35
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Just bought my daughter a 2003 Forester -- she's a straight-A student and a competitive skier. We feel her job is school, and she helps out with her car (especially since she runs errands for us and drives her little sister places).

But the way she likes to put her foot into it, I'd never buy her an STi. Way too much ski racer in her.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:37 PM   #36
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wrx is a better fit, it's not as fast, it's safe
This is news to me.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:40 PM   #37
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This is news to me.
I thought the wrx stock was pretty slow. (I mean it's still quick for what it is but nothing special) All wheel drive, great safety ratings. It is also a great way to gain experience driving in my opinion. But that's just how I took it
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:40 PM   #38
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badler. you are funny.

my name has sti in it because this is a subaru forum and like many members on here I chose to add something subaru related to my name.

ill agree the name is silly. I was a dumb kid when i first joined this forum and thought it was cool since i owned a bugeye that was pretty quick. never felt the need to make a new one or change it. its just a handle. who cares.

yes age and maturity go hand in hand, this is obvious. but this forum just makes the assumption that all teenagers are morons when this is not the case what so ever. Plenty are plenty arent.

i only used fortunate to describe a fiscal situation.

If you were to read the original post you would all see that we arent talking about a FIRST car. The question was just posed about parents buying their kid an sti. Maybe they had a civic for a few years first and then mommy and daddy bought them a performance vehicle.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:44 PM   #39
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Probably not. I will have a kid that will drive in 3 years and I think the sti will still be too expensive to buy for a kid then. I'll probably get her an RS or something maybe a bugeye wrx, they will be a $2-3k car then. I'm buying one car, wreck it the next one is on you.

Would I trust my kid to drive an STI? Probably, she's already good at driving around the property and has always been responsible.

I had a 400 hp Chevy at 17 and was fine. Depends on the kid I guess.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:47 PM   #40
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I thought the wrx stock was pretty slow. (I mean it's still quick for what it is but nothing special) All wheel drive, great safety ratings. It is also a great way to gain experience driving in my opinion. But that's just how I took it
Not gonna turn this into a wrx vs sti thread, but the acceleration (in a straight line) is the same. If anything I'd think you be less safe in a wrx if your are going all it formula 1 in the streets and you overload the small brakes/end up in a gully.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:47 PM   #41
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I got a wrx at 17. 50k miles for graduation. Im now 19 and it has 100k miles with 350hp. Still in one piece, no speeding tickets. Never did any illegal racing on the streets. If the kid is responsible than why not?
That's what I'm saying I got a wrx at 17 too
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:48 PM   #42
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My first car was a motorcycle. That was 22 years ago and I still ride one as my primary transportation. Though having ridden dirt bikes since 6, by the time I was 16 I had way more experience riding motorcycles than I did driving cars. Putting me in something like an STi at that point would have probably been a bad idea.

If my children have any interest in performance cars by the time they can drive, I would likely put them in something that is rear wheel drive, manual transmission, handles very well, and has very little power. Something like an E30. I will teach them to drive the wheels off a car like that in a proper environment and when they are an adult they can buy whatever they want but at least then they'll know how to drive a lot better.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #43
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I had a vr4 galant at 18 and crashed it doin 110, then I had the fastest car I ever owned at 19 an Acura gsR b20b turbo the torque steer was way too dangerous and at 20 I got my wrx which Is pretty quick but judging by my own experience I would never until their atleast 20+ years old
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Not gonna turn this into a wrx vs sti thread, but the acceleration (in a straight line) is the same. If anything I'd think you be less safe in a wrx if your are going all it formula 1 in the streets and you overload the small brakes/end up in a gully.
I actually did not know that, or expect it since the wrx has 70 less hp. Well the 07 and down at least. You can always upgrade the breaks and get good grip tires, Still cheaper than an STI and save money on insurance
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:57 PM   #45
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I don't have kids, so I don't know if they can be trusted, but since I know first hand how retarded kids are and how irresponsible they are showing no respect for their cars, I would say NO WAY!

I have no idea how scary it was for my parents when I got my 2007 STi at 17. I am now 20 and my STi is in better shape than it was when I got it.

My dad bought it brand new in 2007, DD'd 100k miles, then I bought it off him when he bought his 2011 STi. I'm surprised they let me buy it, But I never act like a typical douche kid, trying to race everyone on the streets. I just cruise the speed limit, because I look cooler (in my eyes) driving a clean STi than one that I wrapped around a pole. Yes I admit, I like to bang gears maybe once or twice a week, but I know when to stop and slow down and I don't do it in densely populated areas, AZ has many roads with no one else around. I usually get my speed demon out on the race track not the neighborhood.

I have babied this car ever since I got it, I'm known in my neighborhood as the kid who is going to wash the paint off his car because I'm always washing, waxing, cleaning and maintaining my car. Its regular for me to have the car on jack stands cleaning the underside. (I am an OCD perfectionist) I love this car, some might find it weird, but I just say that the ones who find it odd are the ones that have never experienced the bond.

I am NOT most kids, I have yet to find a youngster like me who could be trusted with a car like mine. I know for a fact, in the time I had my car, I could've driven it into the ground if I didn't put the time, care and maintenance that I have into it.

Hard work, sweat and lots of money has gone into keeping my car as maintained as it is and I am nothing short of proud of myself.

Just because I am so damn proud of my car! (All mods are done by me, my dad left the car stock.)

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Best my kid(don't have any now, just saying) would be getting would be a WRX with a Valet tune(me keeping the AP)
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:01 PM   #47
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No. Never. i bought my first car for $1000 when i was 16 back in 2002. 1992 GS-T eclipse with a blown head gasket. I couldn't count on my parents for car insurance much less for a running car. They put a roof over my head and food on my plate. Anything else that i wanted i had to buy with my own money. I will raise my kid the same way. I will however provide car insurance.
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I actually did not know that, or expect it since the wrx has 70 less hp. Well the 07 and down at least. You can always upgrade the breaks and get good grip tires, Still cheaper than an STI and save money on insurance
I think the accleleration statment really applies to WRXs with the 2.5. The five speed only need one shift to get to 60, and the 6 speed in the STi needs two shifts.

So the time loss shifting is why the WRX is every so slightly faster than the STi (I've read as low as 4.8 vs 5.0 seconds respectively) in that situation even though the claimed output of the 2.5l equipped WRXs are down 40hp to the STi. Although I don't think the STis are actually putting down that much more power to the wheels when dyno'd.

Also the STi doesn't get it's full power unless you run 93 octane. So places like here in CA where we get a particularly poor for performance blend of 91 octane, the regular WRX is even closer in terms of power.
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Short answer - no.


Long answer - If my child expresses an urge to learn to drive at an early age like I did then I will test my child's abilities first with some form of go kart racing. If unavailable I will take my child to a safe place where they can get familiar with the physics of a car.

Even if I find at age 16 that my child has the potential to handle an Sti, this will not be my child's first car. His first car may well be a stock fwd beater.

I started with 3000gt, then eclipse gt, then s13 sr20det 240sx, then back to n\a s14 240, then to lancer Es for college before finally buying the wrx.

None of those cars were ever in an accident and I got to have fun in between with some older v12 jags (really just unreliable boats of cars). Including a Pontiac solstice.


My seat time with these cars combined with a father who knew to reinforce good driving habits allowed me a great start with cars.

These "fortunate" kids Have mom and dad buy new top model cars just to total them because no appreciation has been built up. Screw that.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:09 PM   #50
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Depends on the kid. I'm only 20 and I have plenty of younger friends. Some I would trust with the car and most I wouldn't. *edit* I would not buy them it for their first car though. Absolutely not.

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