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Old 06-11-2013, 10:28 AM   #126
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The answer is definitely no. I've been driving on and off for a couple years, just bought myself my own bugeye at 20, and still, no. The power that subaru's have is completely too much for anyone my age or younger. I totally have a new respect for those who drive these monsters around, as I'm slowly learning better the ropes of the car. If my child did however express interest in subaru, I would probably get them an older stock forrester/stock impreza that was manual, and once they drove that for a few years, I MAY let them drive dad's car occasionally. Once they do that often enough without KAPLSOFJDKFDSJGKJ'ing it, maybe, maybe then, with a slim, slim chance, might I say, "Let's start looking for an old '14 sti for you sonny."
I bought my own. Make them pay for it on their own.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:59 AM   #127
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So are you saying you can't have both of those at 16/17? It's a very small percentage but yes you can!
Those small exceptions prove the rule.

Don't take the fact that some can handle it & say that that disproves what we're saying, b/c it doesn't. It does the opposite.

Remember, Initial D was just an anime, a piece of fiction. Kids at 18 aren't genius drivers able to handle powerful cars unless they're cool headed, mature, and trained from a younger age than the vast majority of kids.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:01 AM   #128
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When I was a kid, I was told, "Son, we're not going to get you a car when you're 16 when we can let you drive ours. But don't worry; when you need a car, we'll make sure you have one."

They defined what "need" was. And when I decided to stay in my college town for the summer after my junior year of college, that met the definition of "need." They got me a 2005 Forester new (b/c they couldn't find one used) but kept the title & were paying maintenance & insurance. I had to pay for gas. When I graduated college, they handed the title over to me but kept helping with insurance & maintenance until I became established in my career.

Imo, that's how it ought to go. You teach your kids the value of the thing that way but also help them out in the areas they need help in.

Not to mention I wasn't spoiled. I wasn't given my first car till I was 21 & I was given it because I really did need my own transportation.
^^^this^^^

I'm in the same boat. My parents let me drive their outback when I went out of state for school. I was 21 when I transfered out of state. I bought my own legacy in HS but it died after it was stolen. I had to pay for gas and general maintenance. I was handed the title after school but I had to pay for my own insurance and everything. Now I have a thriving career in the film industry as a best boy. That made me appreciate it. Now I'm driving a bugeye that I paid for with my own money. I eventually plan to get a Sti as well.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:10 AM   #129
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Those small exceptions prove the rule.

Don't take the fact that some can handle it & say that that disproves what we're saying, b/c it doesn't. It does the opposite.

Remember, Initial D was just an anime, a piece of fiction. Kids at 18 aren't genius drivers able to handle powerful cars unless they're cool headed, mature, and trained from a younger age than the vast majority of kids.

Yea but people at almost all ages are awful drivers. When im on the road I find that 90% of driver's don't know what the hell they are doing. They aren't aware of there surroundings and they can't read simple traffic what so ever. Im just pointing out that people shouldn't think because they've been driving for 10,20 or 30 years that they are any better of a driver than someone young. It's ignorant.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:25 AM   #130
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Yea but people at almost all ages are awful drivers. When im on the road I find that 90% of driver's don't know what the hell they are doing. They aren't aware of there surroundings and they can't read simple traffic what so ever. Im just pointing out that people shouldn't think because they've been driving for 10,20 or 30 years that they are any better of a driver than someone young. It's ignorant.
Understood.

But those 10, 20, 30 years of experience could be the difference between spinning off the road and a life saving recovery.

How many motorcycle riders start on R1's? It's usually an old Ninja 250 or 500.

The basics need to become second nature and that only comes with time/miles.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:53 AM   #131
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No. Parents should buy their kids cars that get them from point A to point B--economically, safely, and with just a little bit of a cool factor. That's why I asked my parents to trade in my Jeep for an OBS (I'm 17).

I'll have a WRX/STI when I'm older and can financially hold the title of a nice car.
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:12 PM   #132
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Understood.

But those 10, 20, 30 years of experience could be the difference between spinning off the road and a life saving recovery.

How many motorcycle riders start on R1's? It's usually an old Ninja 250 or 500.

The basics need to become second nature and that only comes with time/miles.
I agree. Also it's funny you mention it. I started on an R6. I use to take my mom's boyfriends bike when they were out of town and taught myself how to drive it. Don't worry I didn't go on any main streets or speed what so ever and I also driven atv's a couple times so I was somewhat familiar with shifting and what not.
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:59 PM   #133
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It doesn't matter whether you buy your kid an sti or a pinto, if they drive like ******** than they drive like ********. It just takes a smaller amount of time to reach ******* status in an sti.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:09 PM   #134
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Yeah, because you were a prime example of a male teenager back then. Don't flatter yourself. Just because it was too much for you to handle doesn't mean every other new driver is the same. Don't group us with the likes of you. I'm pretty sure some of us are much (or were for the rest of you) more capable than you at 16+ years old.
You don't even realize that you're proving a lot of peoples' point about young drivers here.

You're overconfident and too damn ignorant to realize how ignorant you really are. Hopefully you don't hurt yourself before you realize how little you actually know.

Hopefully.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:45 PM   #135
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Yeah, because you were a prime example of a male teenager back then. Don't flatter yourself. Just because it was too much for you to handle doesn't mean every other new driver is the same. Don't group us with the likes of you. I'm pretty sure some of us are much (or were for the rest of you) more capable than you at 16+ years old.
So.. What was your first car? How old are you? 18?
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:11 PM   #136
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How typical, young kids in the thread saying, "YOU DON'T KNOW ME FOO! I know how to drive!" and the mature adults saying "No way!"

It is a proven scientific fact that as a teenager you do not have the cognitive ability to make decisions as well as an adult, regardless of how mature you think you are.

You don't know what you don't know.

Research human brain development, here's a link for you:

http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_f...ecision_making

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Based on the stage of their brain development, adolescents are more likely to:

•act on impulse
•misread or misinterpret social cues and emotions
•get into accidents of all kinds
•get involved in fights
•engage in dangerous or risky behavior

Adolescents are less likely to:

•think before they act
•pause to consider the potential consequences of their actions
•modify their dangerous or inappropriate behaviors

And another clip:
"Scientists have identified a specific region of the brain called the amygdala which is responsible for instinctual reactions including fear and aggressive behavior. This region develops early. However, the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later. This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood."
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #137
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It's not a blind assumption since you said so yourself "300 hp is too much for a new driver [such as myself]."

The IRONY here is that you're the one making blind assumptions assuming "300 hp is too much for a new driver."



If you can't see that as a blind assumption maybe you're just blind to begin with. Do you even think before you type or speak? Seriously? Keep trying, moron. Maybe you might do another 180 with your life and actually think.
You sound a little insecure, sport.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:27 PM   #138
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I wish my parents had bought me a car, even it was a P.O.S. I bought all of my own cars and therefore couldnt afford a subie as my first car. Instead I went threw 3 other cars before being able to afford my first subie and even then couldnt afford an STi. I bought a WRx and eventually dropped an sti motor in it. I think kids should have to buy there own cars. It teaches them to be more responsible, to care more for the car since its there investment not there parents and makes them have to have a job and money to own 1. If your parents just hand you everything in life how are you ever gonna learn to be a responsible adult. Everything you have a problem, need something or want something you cant always just run to your parents thats bullshiz.
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You sound a little insecure, sport.
Oh, the irony.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:03 PM   #140
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Can someone please lock this thread. It's just stupid and this is going to go back and forward forever.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:08 PM   #141
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I make my kids pay for half of there first cars. If they could have payed half for an sti we would have bought one.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:08 PM   #142
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I just love how not matter what the subject on any forum an argument is the obvious end to every thread on this site lol. Some people must really have nothing going on in their lives.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:13 PM   #143
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I just love how not matter what the subject on any forum an argument is the obvious end to every thread on this site lol. Some people must really have nothing going on in their lives.
Seems to be the mentality here.. I don't see it other places..
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:23 PM   #144
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Oh, the irony.
That word doesn't mean what you think it does.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:24 PM   #145
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My parents did not buy me a car, but they let me use their car occasionally if they didn't need it and I was responsible. I worked my ass off to pay for school and buy my first car. Because of that, I learned at an early age, the value of money. Whatever the expense, whether its gas, tires, repairs, it came out of my pocket and I knew how hard I had to work to have the money for it.

Roll forward to today, I would want my kid to learn the value of money as well. I won't buy him a car. I might help him with a down payment but he's going to bear the cost of ownership.

My opinion is a kid that just recently got their drivers license should not be driving an STi or a WRX. They don't know what they're doing behind the wheel, don't have enough road experience to react correctly when something bad happens, and will just end up wrecking it. Send the kid off to a good performance driving school like Bob Bondurant's Advanced Teenage Driving or Skip Barber's Mazda Driving School and then I would be more agreeable to letting them have an STi or WRX.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:33 PM   #146
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At 48 years old, I've had my share of fast cars, luxury cars and ****ty cars. I originally bought a Scion tC for my son and then after a lot of discussions, decided to get something we could track together instead. I sold the Scion (only 3,000 miles on it) and picked up the STi. Besides working on the car together, I'll be teaching him how to properly maintain a car and drive it safely. When I feel his skill level is sufficient enough, we'll be going to VIR for some beginner HPDE's. This may take awhile and during this time I'll be driving the Subaru on track. I may have a spec Miata by the time we get to our first event. I'm lucky that I have two very well adjusted kids that are appreciative and respectful to me. They never ask for anything and understand VERY well that things can be taken away just as easily. My daughter gets her license in a couple weeks and she will end up with our 2011 Mazda3. Great car that we bought 2 years ago with the intention of it being hers when she got older. If all works out as planned, then my son will have the Subaru in a couple years. I'm a retired Navy nuclear submariner and have high expectations. If my kids stay smart.....they are good to go.

Would I normally buy a STi for my kids? No. But with all the training and expectations/requirements I have laid down for my son, I feel confident that he'll do just fine. He has 2 years to prove it.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:36 PM   #147
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Depends on how the kid was raised IMO
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:16 PM   #148
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Yea but people at almost all ages are awful drivers. When im on the road I find that 90% of driver's don't know what the hell they are doing. They aren't aware of there surroundings and they can't read simple traffic what so ever. Im just pointing out that people shouldn't think because they've been driving for 10,20 or 30 years that they are any better of a driver than someone young. It's ignorant.
But those years of driving badly teach them not to drive like they're racers, and they know it. They may suck, but they'll be more cautious (generally) than a young idiot in a powerful car.

It's the idiot quotient that is so bad.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:17 PM   #149
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I don't have kids just yet but they will have to work for their first car.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:39 PM   #150
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These threads always pop up from time to time and always go down the same path very quickly.

The general NASIOC consensus is that an STI (and to most so is the WRX) is too much car for a new driver.
This includes any other high powered vehicles.
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