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Old 06-10-2013, 06:17 PM   #1
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The new Volkswagen Golf GTD, effectively a diesel-powered GTI. It joins the mk7 VW Golf range with more power than its forebear, a gamut of new technology and prices that start at £25,285.

Technical highlights?

They’re abundant. Similar suspension tweaks to the GTI (stiffer and 15mm lower than a regular Golf) are joined by its XDS+ electronic faux-diff, which can brake the inside wheels on both axles (even though the Golf is still front-wheel drive) to reduce understeer, while Progressive Steering is also standard. It’s more direct than a conventional, constant-ratio steering set-up, supposedly negating the need to move your hands around the wheel during tight corners while offering a better compromise between comfort and agility with its variable ratio.
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The engine is a 181bhp 2-litre four-cylinder turbodiesel, seen on the SEAT Leon FR and soon to sit in the front of the mk3 Skoda Octavia vRS. Here it combines a 7.5sec 0-62 time with 67.3mpg (claimed, of course) if you stick with the standard six-speed manual gearbox, the latter figure dropping if you spec the optional six-speed DSG twin-clutch transmission. An optional sound actuator attempts to boost the GTD’s soundtrack and downplay its frugal intentions.

What’s it like to drive?

The area of Munich where we tested the GTD was unfortunately bereft of properly challenging roads on which to test the mettle of XDS+ and Progressive Steering. But there were enough bumps to conclude that the ride of our ACC adaptive damper-equipped car was firm-edged yet controlled and forgiving in all of its modes, though perhaps not varied enough across them to justify spending £800 on the option.

The GTD’s engine is punchy in its powerband but not particularly fun to rev out – no surprise, perhaps – but you do end up driving it just like any other Golf TDI, surfing its abundant torque (with 280lb ft from a mere 1750rpm) without ever really engaging with it. The sound actuator is a bit silly, adding a burbling, petrol-like noise from the exhausts, which clashes with the very obviously diesel-sounding engine. It’s rorty to those outside the car, but if you’re paying to spec it, you ought to be the one relishing its noise.

Otherwise, this is a precise, polished and refined hatchback that rides with aplomb and shrugs off high speeds like a 5-series or E-class (it sat indicating its 143mph top speed for a lengthy open stretch of Autobahn). Much like the mk7 Golf GTI we drove recently, here’s a car that, on first acquaintance, impresses and flatters without ever really putting a grin on your face.

How does it compare?

The Golf GTD faces a bigger challenge than ever from its cheaper cousins, the SEAT Leon FR and Skoda Octavia vRS. We’ve not yet driven the latter, but the VW feels very similar to the SEAT, proving how samey cars on the oft-mentioned MQB VW Group architecture are starting to feel.

If you’re buying privately with little need to consider tax bands, the current crop of petrol hot hatches – mk7 Golf GTI and BMW M135i among them – offer more performance without completely binning fuel economy, our long-term test Beemer averaging north of 35mpg with little trouble.

Anything else I need to know?

Previously, the GTD has sold around four times as many units as the GTI in the UK. And while its underpinnings are essentially identical to its petrol-powered sibling, you won’t be seeing the GTI’s Performance Pack or its mechanical limited-slip differential on the GTD.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:22 PM   #2
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nice, now put it in an R.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:16 PM   #3
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If it comes to the U.S., I'm going to be very tempted.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:57 PM   #4
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:10 PM   #5
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You'd think it'd get to 62 a little quicker with all that torque...
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:13 PM   #6
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I can't wait to drive one of these.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:01 AM   #7
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I can't wait to drive one of these.

Secondeded. Please tell me this will come state side. Pretty sure I'm going to save a few more bucks and pass on the Fiesta ST for a GTI, may have to wait a tad longer and see if this shows up.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:35 AM   #8
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I would still want the free revving nature of the gas engine. Give the new GTI and R that interior, but make it burn 93 octane as God intended.
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Would buy one of these in a hot second if it came to the USDM.
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:19 PM   #10
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You'd think it'd get to 62 a little quicker with all that torque...
that's what mods are for. I bet stage 2 will bring low 6's all the while getting excellent MPG. Tempting for sure. GTI/GTD/R. Decisions, decisions.........
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #11
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You'd think it'd get to 62 a little quicker with all that torque...
you need at least two gear shifts to hit 62
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you need at least two gear shifts to hit 62
This. It probably redlines at 4500rpm.
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You'd think it'd get to 62 a little quicker with all that torque...
Numbers lie. Diesels get more TQ, but for shorter intervals than non-diesels.

0-62mph @ 7.5 is no slouch, and I wonder what the real world numbers are since the Germans love to underrate their cars.
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:37 PM   #14
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I'll take the Skoda Octavia vRS in estate trim, which so happens to be available with AWD starting this year I think.



This would make a nice JSW replacement.
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^^^ Wow... Pretty much the same profile as an Audi A4/A6 Avant but for waaaayyyy cheaper. Beautiful !
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You'd think it'd get to 62 a little quicker with all that torque...
If reverse was geared that high, I bet it would!
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Yea, but I bet it can still do that on a 15 degree incline.
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Sounds fun!

Since I have a Golf TDI, the chip or APR (whomever makes it) flash makes more sense. But having the DSG, that needs reprogrammed for a different shift pattern, this option is roughly $1,000. And then, it will still handle like a GOLF, not a GTD.
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Awesome. I would buy one if they sell them here.
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I just do not get the fascination.
I guess if you drive a lot then I can see it, but I get 20 mpg in pure city light to light driving in my R. A plain GTI would best that. Not sure how much I would be willing to give that wonderful 2.0 for a oil burner.

Somebody give me an example of the diesel's awesomeness so I can understand your point of view.
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Somebody give me an example of the diesel's awesomeness so I can understand your point of view.
For the vast majority of the driving that I do, the diesel would be more appropriate. Low end torque, fuel economy, and range would all be appreciated.
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I just do not get the fascination.
I guess if you drive a lot then I can see it, but I get 20 mpg in pure city light to light driving in my R. A plain GTI would best that. Not sure how much I would be willing to give that wonderful 2.0 for a oil burner.

Somebody give me an example of the diesel's awesomeness so I can understand your point of view.

I had a 2010 JSW TDI and while it was an interesting car, it also didn't do it for me. But there were some things I missed about it, mainly the fuel range and the addictive usable torque.

What I do not miss, smelly diesel pumps and crappy VW build quality. It was a nice car nonetheless. It also had really good resale value which made it easy for me to unload.
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I'll take the Skoda Octavia vRS in estate trim, which so happens to be available with AWD starting this year I think.

This would make a nice JSW replacement.
This please!!!
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I just do not get the fascination.
I guess if you drive a lot then I can see it, but I get 20 mpg in pure city light to light driving in my R. A plain GTI would best that. Not sure how much I would be willing to give that wonderful 2.0 for a oil burner.

Somebody give me an example of the diesel's awesomeness so I can understand your point of view.
MPG. My TDi gets 500 to the tank. I don't use it to commute to work (Zuma 125 for that) so I put in a tank of diesel every 4-5 weeks. It is awesome rarely going to the pump. It gets DOUBLE the MPG that my STi did and the resale on them is absolutely killer. I wish FHI would give us a STi-d and all would be right with the world.

Compare it to a hybrid (similar MPG), it has torque for passing (stay on the torque curve while shifting and the damn thing actually moves pretty quick), a 6spd manual transmission, and handles better. It will also outlast any gasoline car or hybrid. 10k mile oil changes as well.

Now take that and give it some more power, GTi like handling, and if you have a sporty car that yields excellent MPG, and has decent power.

Some don't like giving hundreds to Exxon/Mobil every month. I spend little on commuting (my daily gets 80 MPG) and driving around so that I can have plenty of gas money for my sportbike/twisty riding on the weekends. I ride every weekend, sometimes 1 day, sometimes both, and I'm still < $200 a month on fuel, most riding months I'm at a flat $150 and ride hard. I've got friends who spend double that just to get to work and back in a month.
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I just do not get the fascination.
I guess if you drive a lot then I can see it, but I get 20 mpg in pure city light to light driving in my R. A plain GTI would best that. Not sure how much I would be willing to give that wonderful 2.0 for a oil burner.

Somebody give me an example of the diesel's awesomeness so I can understand your point of view.
Sorry, we can't because the 2.0L TFSI is already the best of both worlds: Diesel-like low end torque + full RPM range of a good N/A gasser + decent MPG.
However, if primary focus is MPG while retaining some amount of fun then the GTD is a good proposition.
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