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Old 06-13-2013, 10:24 PM   #1
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Default will subaru ever do away with stick shifts?

figure I poll all you guys.
while I was at the dealer today getting the 09 legacy brake recall looked I was cruising the lot and couldn't help but noticed how few manuals were there and It seems each year Subaru limits the # of models offered in a stick.
So got me wondering do you think Subaru would ever do away with manual trans all together?
Or do you think in the near future stick shift cars will be a thing of the past?
My opinion is I pray they don't because I would die the day I had to buy a automatic for a DD
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:45 PM   #2
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I never thought Porsche would have a GT3 without 3 pedals, but that's happening now...
Car makers build cars that will sell, people these days are more lazy/want to have hands free to surf the web/drink coffee/apply makeup/update twitter etc

so our society of slackers will make it harder for enthusiasts to row the gears ourselves.
(Having said that the new 911 GT3 is ****ING AWESOME!)
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:53 PM   #3
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It's sure to be an interesting discussion over the next few years. The newer (pdk, dual clutch, etc.) paddle transmissions are definitely interesting. I watched the /drive video today about the GT3 and it certainly seems to show some promise for the future of 3-pedal-less cars.

Though I absolutely love having a manual transmission, I'm curious to see how quickly we'll see decent paddle shift transmissions in the (semi-affordable) cars worth driving.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:13 PM   #4
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I never thought Porsche would have a GT3 without 3 pedals, but that's happening now...
Car makers build cars that will sell, people these days are more lazy/want to have hands free to surf the web/drink coffee/apply makeup/update twitter etc

so our society of slackers will make it harder for enthusiasts to row the gears ourselves.
(Having said that the new 911 GT3 is ****ING AWESOME!)
According to misc Top Gear talk, and my intermuhnet reading on all of that, its because they shift quicker and better than we can (the actual real super car tranny's). In fact, so fast some are simply immeasurable.

We won't see it in anything really obtainable for the average Joe, at least not for a while when or if it gets cheaper. Especially since the average auto is getting SO EXPENSIVE and complicated these days, were on the path of disposable cars when the tranny goes out.

I had to replace the tranny in my '05 Grand Cheokee aHEMI last year. It was $4,300. And for the '07 Altima that was next to it in the shop? $7,000.

My point is I'd be safe to say we won't be seeing 'standarless' WRX/STi's for a long time... If the car line even lasts that long for that matter.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:15 PM   #5
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Car makers build cars that will sell, people these days are more lazy/want to have hands free to surf the web/drink coffee/apply makeup/update twitter etc
This 100%. I remember not wanting an automatic because of the learning curve and how it was more work. I would never go back now.

I really think automatics will start to take over for mileage reasons and making cars more idiot proof.

It would shock you how many people are just too stupid (these days) to drive a manual transmission.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:36 PM   #6
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I've heard VWs DSG in the GTI is pretty nice... How long it stays that way is another question.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:41 PM   #7
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my understanding was that they cater to whatever the domestic market statistics show.

I would assume then that Stick shifts aren't that popular in America, so the Forester XT's (2011 models and the like, not the new) in america were all autos, while i read that you can get manual XT's in JDM or Europe?

is it the same with the new forester XT's?
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:00 AM   #8
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Automatic cars are more expensive to maintain. Auto trannys aren't as tough as manual gearboxes are. I also get better gas mileage with my Wrx than I ever did with me old NA automatic Outback.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:24 AM   #9
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Automatic cars are more expensive to maintain. Auto trannys aren't as tough as manual gearboxes are. I also get better gas mileage with my Wrx than I ever did with me old NA automatic Outback.
False. Automatic boxes take a beating.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:33 AM   #10
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The wrx/Sti platform won't be around long enough to find out.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:42 AM   #11
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It would shock you how many people are just too stupid (these days) to drive a manual transmission.
Too stupid? Just because you never learn a specific skill doesn't make you stupid. My brother is 19 and doesn't know how to drive at all (i.e. he's never driven a car) but he's a damn genius compared to me; granted, that isn't saying much.

It would shock you how many people are just too stupid to prepare a Puffer Fish for human consumption without it being lethally poisonous.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:50 AM   #12
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^^ Nice edit. I'm sure your shut-in brother is swell.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:56 AM   #13
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Nice edits, you mean. I edited that post 3 times.

He's not a shut-in. He just doesn't see the need or have the desire to drive. He's incredibly social and outgoing. He's actually in Montreal right now partying with some girl I don't know after hiking the Long Trail together for 4 weeks. He's also very, very academically smart.

edit: I always edit posts.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:11 AM   #14
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yeah, I'm just messing with ya...

As to the OP, I couldn't imagine the disappearance of the manual transmission. If it does happen, I'll be holding on to my "econo box" longer than I had originally planned.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:05 AM   #15
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False. Automatic boxes take a beating.
My old legacy automatic tranny died at 75k. My outback showed similar symptoms at 100k miles. I drove those cars very tamely as well. My Wrx has 92k miles and the tranny feels great.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:25 AM   #16
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My old legacy automatic tranny died at 75k. My outback showed similar symptoms at 100k miles. I drove those cars very tamely as well. My Wrx has 92k miles and the tranny feels great.
Good for you. That all means exactly nothing.
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Old 06-14-2013, 07:33 AM   #17
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It seems each year Subaru limits the # of models offered in a stick.
So got me wondering do you think Subaru would ever do away with manual trans all together?
Subaru limits the models NOT offered with stick to ONE: Tribeca. All their other models can be purchased with stick:
BRZ
Impreza
WRX/STI
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Forester
Legacy
Outback

BTW, I've heard that Subaru is thinking about eliminating carburetors, engine chokes, and distributors.

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Old 06-14-2013, 08:40 AM   #18
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Honda is coming out with new model motorcycles this year that don't have clutch or shift levers. Instead, they use a 6 speed dual-clutch transmission with launch control. I've ridden one (test ride) and it was really quick shifting.

I think the days of the old gearbox and clutch pedal are limited. Technology improves. For those that think you have to row a gearbox to be a driving enthusiast, please find the shift lever in a modern F1 car for me, okay?
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:43 AM   #19
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False. Automatic boxes take a beating.
False, Automatic transmissions slushboxes are utter crap.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:48 AM   #20
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False, Automatic transmissions slushboxes are utter crap.
Try again.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:10 AM   #21
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Try again.
Years of experience tell me otherwise, but whatever floats your boat, enjoy.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:18 AM   #22
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The only way any manufacturer will quit selling them is when it becomes financially costly to build them do to lack of sales. I am considering a BRZ...I am also considering an automatic because they have received pretty good reviews and I am basically lazy.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:21 AM   #23
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When the rest of the car industry finally puts the brakes on their standard transmissions instead of giving continual projections of when they will be removed...Subaru will follow...some of these high horsepower cars with enough electronic driver assists to practically drive themselves may as well come with the more complicated automatic transmissions, it fits the bill...I don't have a problem with that.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:25 AM   #24
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When the rest of the car industry finally puts the brakes on their standard transmissions instead of giving continual projections of when they will be removed...Subaru will follow...some of these high horsepower cars with enough electronic driver assists to practically drive themselves may as well come with the more complicated automatic transmissions, it fits the bill...I don't have a problem with that.
Eventually cars will drive themselves, and we will finally have succumbed to becoming the laziest society on the planet.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:45 AM   #25
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When I lived in Europe autmatics were rare. Unless they were in nicer mercs or BMW's. They are becoming more available there as well now.
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