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Old 06-14-2013, 09:51 AM   #26
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Eventually cars will drive themselves, and we will finally have succumbed to becoming the laziest society on the planet.
Eventually only the wealthiest will be able to own/drive a car in the U.S. if policymakers have their way.

When I first started to drive, automatic transmissions were an expensive option along with air conditioning. But at least you could ride around in the back of the pickup truck and consume ice cold beverages.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:04 AM   #27
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:13 AM   #28
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When they first started the major switch in porsche and ferrari from manual to paddle shifting a couple magazines had theories that it could be due to warranty costs associated with manual transmissions, and from that stand point more people were likely to damage manual transmissions and bring them in for warranty repair than auto or paddle shift transmissions.
But most dealerships look closely enough before performing warranty work to see if improper driving or shifting was done to damage a piece as expensive as a transmission, but from a business standpoint why not remove the risk all together and have an auto trans that will not let you over rev or damage the motor without excessive trying that the computer in the car will probably log anyhow to deny the warranty repairs.
Just a theory though.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:21 AM   #29
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Keep stick shift alive!

I want to drive my car, not just steer it.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:06 PM   #30
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I hate all the people that act like their pos cars that cost $25,000 new are special bc they have "paddle shifters" or the lame sport shift on the stick. Its not the same as a DSG or a sequential transmission.

As far as high end sports cars getting them if it equates to faster lap times good for them bc that's what they are all about.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:07 PM   #31
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There will come a time in the not too distant future that no production cars will come with three pedals. It's going away just like punch card computers, rotary phones, and cassette tapes.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:59 PM   #32
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There will come a time in the not too distant future that no production cars will come with three pedals. It's going away just like punch card computers, rotary phones, and cassette tapes.
I had a really hard time mounting my 8-track player under my dash.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:35 PM   #33
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Try again.
I'm fairly certain that a manual will survive clutch drops longer than an automatic will survive neutral drops.


On another note I really hope that Subaru doesn't get rid of their manuals. My parents '10 forester has the automatic. The car was made more fuel efficient by having less moving parts in the tranny. Side effect: The transmission is literally stupid. It has no idea what you are doing, let alone what IT's doing...It's constantly shifting back and forth, not knowing which gear it should be in.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:42 PM   #34
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I'm fairly certain that a manual will survive clutch drops longer than an automatic will survive neutral drops.

On another note I really hope that Subaru doesn't get rid of their manuals. My parents '10 forester has the automatic. The car was made more fuel efficient by having less moving parts in the tranny. Side effect: The transmission is literally stupid. It has no idea what you are doing, let alone what IT's doing...It's constantly shifting back and forth, not knowing which gear it should be in.
Standard automatics are by mapped like you are used to driving a stick. They are mapped for conservative driving.

And about clutch drops/neutral drops...facepalm.jpg. NOTHING will survive repeated flat out abuse. Not a 5 speed, not a 6 speed, and not an automatic.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:52 PM   #35
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If Subaru drops the manual from their enthusiast models, I'll buy something else. Simple as that.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:15 PM   #36
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If Subaru drops the manual from their enthusiast models, I'll buy something else. Simple as that.
are you planning to just stop driving in the next 4-5 years?
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:44 PM   #37
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As long as there is a market for them, I don't believe that they will disappear completely. There is still a decent amount of people that still prefer manual over automatics.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:29 PM   #38
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As long as there is a market for them, I don't believe that they will disappear completely. There is still a decent amount of people that still prefer manual over automatics.
Me! +1
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:32 PM   #39
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I'll say this: will the manual last forever? Probably not.

Does Subaru eliminating the automatic from the WRX in 2009 tell us manuals will last longer than in other cars? Probably.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:02 PM   #40
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Yes. Manual transmissions (and manually driven cars, for that matter) will one day be a thing of the past. There's a lot of reasons for it, but the primary one is this:

They're not going to make what doesn't sell. Period. Especially not just to cater to small pockets of automotive enthusiasts. The reason is the same as the one given on Turn In Concept's site for why your car has squishy rubber bushings all over the place instead of hard urethane from the factory: "Subaru doesn't want to sell YOU a car. They want to sell your mom and grandma a car."

If they alienate their enthusiasts by doing so, it doesn't matter. We only represent a small fraction of their sales. Moreover, the majority of enthusiasts tend to hang on to their cars for much longer than Joe and Jane Average. Why are they going to do things to keep their enthusiast base happy when most of them have already have a car that they're happily modding and have no intention of trading it in for a new one? No. They're going to design and manufacture cars that Mr. and Mrs. Average will want when their current lease is up.

Get used to it. Performance and enthusiast cars will someday within our lifetimes be nothing more than a fond memory. You'll have plenty of time to daydream about it when you're sitting in your self driving, tree hugging, alternative energy, government-mandated, egg shaped eco pod as it shuttles you off to work.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:31 PM   #41
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Get used to it. Performance and enthusiast cars will someday within our lifetimes be nothing more than a fond memory. .
By then I will be enjoying my flying car doing 500mph thru the sky, do they make a manual transmission flying car?
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:39 PM   #42
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Performance and enthusiast cars will someday within our lifetimes be nothing more than a fond memory. You'll have plenty of time to daydream about it when you're sitting in your self driving, tree hugging, alternative energy, government-mandated, egg shaped eco pod as it shuttles you off to work.
Possibly one of the most ignorant posts in this entire thread.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:47 PM   #43
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By then I will be enjoying my flying car doing 500mph thru the sky, do they make a manual transmission flying car?
Just don't miss a shift.

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Possibly one of the most ignorant posts in this entire thread.
Based on what criteria?
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:18 PM   #44
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The fact you think "performance" and "enthusiast" cars should be strictly manuals.

Mitsubishi, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and countless other manufacturers would strongly disagree.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:23 PM   #45
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These people who claim that automatics are less reliable than manuals must drive Chryslers. I've heard that Dodge automatics are amazingly bad
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:41 PM   #46
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I'll say this: will the manual last forever? Probably not.

Does Subaru eliminating the automatic from the WRX in 2009 tell us manuals will last longer than in other cars? Probably.
i really think that they eliminated the auto tranny in the wrx cause no one bought them. look how many wrx and stis are out there. a small percentage are automatic. it didnt sell well.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:42 PM   #47
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Travel outside the US sometime. You'll realize that the stick shift is not going anywhere for a while.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:49 PM   #48
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Years of experience tell me otherwise, but whatever floats your boat, enjoy.
This^^^
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:52 PM   #49
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i really think that they eliminated the auto tranny in the wrx cause no one bought them. look how many wrx and stis are out there. a small percentage are automatic. it didnt sell well.
It was simply renamed the impreza GT until 2011 when it was totally dropped.

And yeah, it had everything to do with sales figures.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:09 PM   #50
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Travel outside the US sometime. You'll realize that the stick shift is not going anywhere for a while.
Most cars in ASIA are Stick shift! unless they are european luxury cars!
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