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Old 06-14-2013, 11:00 PM   #51
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I'll be dead by the time they completely phase out manuals.. So I don't really give a ****.


OTOH, if they phased it out and I'm still alive.. Flying cars, bitches!
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:18 PM   #52
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For those that think you have to row a gearbox to be a driving enthusiast, please find the shift lever in a modern F1 car for me, okay?
Ok first, no. We're talking about cars for driving enthusiasts, not racecars, which an F1 car DEFINITELY is, right? How is an F1 car a driving enthusiast's car? That's like saying why don't you find the turn signals or windshield wipers in an F1 car for me? Oh, you can't find them? That means it's not a car.

In the name of cutting every thousandth off of a lap time, I see the purpose for flappy paddle gearboxes. I would assume that the other 911's besides the GT3 still have manuals available because it is about rowing your own and actually driving the car, which in my opinion is fun. But if you need to squeeze all the speed, all the performance out of the car and Porsche thinks your gear changes are too pathetic, then they'll eliminate that variable and make a transmission that can change gears before you can even say what gear you're going into. That's fine for a car meant for the track, but for an everyday street car or a weekend fun car, sometimes you just gotta row your own. And I'd prefer it that way. Like I said, it's just more fun.

I wouldn't be too worried about sticks disappearing completely either, they'll always still be around. However, if you buy your cars new, one day it will happen where the manual cars are more expensive than the automatics. They'll be less profitable (less people will buy them) and will cost more to make, resulting in you paying more for it. And that will make manual used cars harder to come by as well. One day...
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:18 PM   #53
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Subaru limits the models NOT offered with stick to ONE: Tribeca. All their other models can be purchased with stick:.
Well... what looks to be the replacement for the EJ25 turbocharged engines is the FA20 turbocharged engine, as found in the JDM Legacy DIT and the new Forester XT here. In both cases it's only available with a CVT.

The manuals are pretty much only available in the base trim levels in the Legacy/Outback and with the exception of the WRX and STi, in the base and premium levels in the other cars.

I think Subaru is pretty clearly moving towards an all-CVT stable, or close to it.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:13 AM   #54
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Most cars in ASIA are Stick shift! unless they are european luxury cars!
Most cars in the WORLD are manuals.
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Old 06-15-2013, 05:35 PM   #55
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Standard automatics are by mapped like you are used to driving a stick. They are mapped for conservative driving.

And about clutch drops/neutral drops...facepalm.jpg. NOTHING will survive repeated flat out abuse. Not a 5 speed, not a 6 speed, and not an automatic.
I drive my parents car VERY conservatively, just to show my dad the kind of mileage he could get if he didn't drive the way he does. Regardless, the car shifts funky for both my dad and myself.

And of course nothing will survive repeated abuse....lobotomy.doc NOTHING will forever survive even cautious use. I was simply stating MY OPINION that a manual could probably survive clutch drops longer than an automatic could survive neutral drops.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:01 PM   #56
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Most cars in the WORLD are manuals.
But USA is the entire world. Nothing exists beyond her borders.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:10 PM   #57
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I never thought Porsche would have a GT3 without 3 pedals, but that's happening now...
Car makers build cars that will sell, people these days are more lazy/want to have hands free to surf the web/drink coffee/apply makeup/update twitter etc

so our society of slackers will make it harder for enthusiasts to row the gears ourselves.
(Having said that the new 911 GT3 is ****ING AWESOME!)
Damn. And here I thought you couldn't be the epitome of hypocrisy until I saw what you drive. Your name does Saab injustice as expected.

Calling society a bunch of slackers based on the fact that they want a non-manual transmission vehicle yet you sit on your ass typing on some car forum when you could easily use better grammar to do the English language less shame.

The only lazy person in society by logic would be a dumbass such as yourself who can't even properly capitalize the beginning letter in a sentence or use accurate punctuation. Who knows, as soon as you stop being lazy with English, American or British, someone might properly shift right into your ass.

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Old 06-15-2013, 07:36 PM   #58
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Years of experience tell me otherwise, but whatever floats your boat, enjoy.
Find a high powered Merc road car that has a clutch pedal.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:03 PM   #59
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Automatic cars are more expensive to maintain. Auto trannys aren't as tough as manual gearboxes are. I also get better gas mileage with my Wrx than I ever did with me old NA automatic Outback.
Bull****.

The 6R80 auto in these new Mustangs can take much more power and abuse than the manuals can.

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Does Subaru eliminating the automatic from the WRX in 2009 tell us manuals will last longer than in other cars? Probably
You mean in a niche, low volume sporty type car? No, that tells us absolutely nothing about the industry as a whole. Even in Ford's bargain basement cars like the Fiesta and the Focus, they sell very few manuals, and the ones they do sell are in the stripped down models. Likewise with Honda and the Civic, you can only get the manual in the cheapest trimline and good luck finding those on the dealer lots.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:23 PM   #60
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If they can develop an indestructible CVT I'd think yes manuals may go the way of the dodo bird...
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:39 PM   #61
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Find a high powered Merc road car that has a clutch pedal.
I can just buy a ZR1 with a proper 6 speed, or SRT Viper, unless those aren't powerful enough for you?
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:52 PM   #62
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The wrx/Sti platform won't be around long enough to find out.
Why do you think that? Seem like pretty popular models to just do away with
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:28 PM   #63
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I hope to never see CVT as an option for WRX/STI.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:54 PM   #64
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The 6R80 auto in these new Mustangs can take much more power and abuse than the manuals can.
The v10 ford truck my buddy has can tow 17,000lbs. It's an auto. The manual can tow 18,000lbs.

Point is different manufacturers can make different things stronger, but at the end of the day, i would rather shift my own gears. There are three vehicles sitting in my driveway, my car, the wife's car, and my work van... guess which one is the auto?
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Old 06-15-2013, 11:19 PM   #65
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Still wanting to test drive a Forester 2.0XT just to see how the CVT and Sdrive feels....
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Old 06-16-2013, 02:15 AM   #66
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Still wanting to test drive a Forester 2.0XT just to see how the CVT and Sdrive feels....
Just drove one today actually.

Wasn't bad for an auto but still underwhelming.
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Old 06-16-2013, 02:38 AM   #67
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All over the world stick is offered.



Because Racecar of course
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:02 AM   #68
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don't worry, Subaru won't be ditching the manual anytime soon.


look how long they were stuffing the crappy 4EAT automatic into their cars before they retired it.
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Old 06-16-2013, 12:27 PM   #69
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The v10 ford truck my buddy has can tow 17,000lbs. It's an auto. The manual can tow 18,000lbs.

Point is different manufacturers can make different things stronger, but at the end of the day, i would rather shift my own gears. There are three vehicles sitting in my driveway, my car, the wife's car, and my work van... guess which one is the auto?
And the autos in these Mustangs can take 700 hp pretty easily while the manuals are fragile above 500 hp. So what's your point?

His assertion that all manuals are stronger than autos is uneducated to say the least.
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Old 06-16-2013, 06:12 PM   #70
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I hope that they do not ever stop making a true proper stick
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Old 06-16-2013, 06:47 PM   #71
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And the autos in these Mustangs can take 700 hp pretty easily while the manuals are fragile above 500 hp. So what's your point?

His assertion that all manuals are stronger than autos is uneducated to say the least.
True, But to say the opposite is just as bad, which may not have been the intention, but was how the posts came off.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:52 PM   #72
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Most cars in the WORLD are manuals.

Thats nice... And not in the slightest relevant. Most of the world has tons of diesel passenger cars also. The US, through policy as well as social reasons, isn't the rest of the world when it comes to the car market.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:54 PM   #73
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BTW, I've heard that Subaru is thinking about eliminating carburetors, engine chokes, and distributors.
Just bought a new subaru [engine] that has a carb and a choke. No distributor though, sorry... (no need with only 1 spark plug)

(of course, this pressure washer doesn't have an auto transmission either.)

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Old 06-17-2013, 05:52 PM   #74
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I really hope they dont becuase most likely I will always own a subaru as at least 1 of my cars and personlly I think a manual is way more fun to drive. Even the padel shifting is better then full auto but still nowhere near as exciting I think.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:21 PM   #75
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I don't think manuals are going away anytime soon, esp in Subies.
Maybe by the time they are phased out i will be so old i will have to drive auto anyway.
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