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Old 09-30-2002, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default OEM style Performance shocks will not be coming soon.

We all have been waiting for Tokico/KYB and other shock manufacturers to produce OEM style direct replacment performance shocks for the WRX for some time now. I started a thread a year ago about the Tokico Illuminas as I had chatted with Ray at www.tokicousa.com about the future plans for such a shock. I had supplied digital pictures and tech specs to Ray with the understanding that this was a project in the works. Now a year later I finally have the scoop on the shock issue.

No time soon!

Here is what Ray told me thursday. The reason there is not a OEM style performance shock on the horizon is because for one, Tokico does not have the capability to make the actual shock body and does not have steel stamping ability, they rely on the OEM manufacturers for this. Two, the OEM manufacturers have patents and production rights and at this time they will not release these nor will they build a OEM style shock with Tokico internals. Or any shock company for that matter. That is why Koni uses inserts and why there are all these coilovers. They don't infringe on the OEM manufacturers patent or design.

So until there is some sort of contract between the OEM shock company and Tokico/KYB/GAB/Koni/ etc.... we have to wait.

I'm fed up and will be getting the KYB AGX now and I also have the camber bolts for the rear camber issue, Ray was not to happy to hear that.

Sorry for the bad news.
Greg Downing.
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:42 PM   #2
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So how come there are KYB AGX's specifically for the older body style, but not the newer one? It seems like the suspension differences are very minor yet they haven't come out with new style struts. Anyone have an answer?
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Old 09-30-2002, 01:17 PM   #3
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Good question driggity , one would think that KYB would get their act together and make the minor tweaks so that the older AGX Struts will be a perfect fit on the new age Impreza (really just the rear struts need tweaking). I contacted KYB about this several times. They told me that the WRX specific struts will be released for the 2003 catalog, but who knows when that will be released.

Hey gpd323, let me know how your setup works out, I am thinking of doing this as well.

Otherwise, coilovers it is!
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Old 09-30-2002, 01:26 PM   #4
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the 02 wrx and rs have the same suspension settings rite? except for the wrx's thicker swaybars, in terms of springs and shocks they are prety much identical arent they?
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Old 09-30-2002, 02:12 PM   #5
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I posted this in a related thread a little while ago, but I dont know how to link it so here it is. In short the AGX's for 02 REX's won't be available for about a year from now

This is pasted in and reads from the bottom up

Later,
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Probably Late Summer 2003.

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first, second, third or fourth quarter?

thanks,
Andy

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Andrew,

These AGX parts are scheduled for release next year.

Chuck Gonwa
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Old 09-30-2002, 03:12 PM   #6
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What is going to happen in my opinion is when the OEM manufacturers release (IE:$$$-sell) the pattern and copyright info to all the shock performance companies will will be flooded with lots of shock options. The OEM company still does the tooling of the shock because they have the expensive equipment to do the work, but KYB/Tokico/KONI/GAB etc just slide it their own insert.

How long was the last generation Impreza on the market till a KYB AGX was available? Years?

I just know that I am disapointed with it all, but I still am not buying an expensive no warrantee coilover.

Now I uderstand why Tokico and Bilstein (and others) are doing the super dee duper 45 adj coilovers 1st. No patent infringement. And they are just hoping to get some of the market while they wait for the OEM struts manufacturers to say OK, now you buy the strut blanks and throw in your inserts or supply us with your internals and we will put them together for you.

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Old 09-30-2002, 06:46 PM   #7
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FYI: KYB makes the stock WRX struts
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Old 09-30-2002, 06:54 PM   #8
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Hey Just a thought,

Why don't you just get the SPT struts and be done with it! I have the whole kit on my car and I think that they are great I know that they are a little spendy and they do not lower the car a whole lot but they are awesome!!

I went on a road trip up the Russian River this weekend and the car was just awesome with this setup on it!!

Just my .02

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Old 09-30-2002, 10:38 PM   #9
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Dejavu all over. If you look up my post from almost a year ago- same thing. at least Koni got the rear inserts squared away. KYBUSA and Koni were sick of hearing from me. I opted for the DMS 40's- great at first and then started diminishing daily driving performance- they still were great at autox. I am now going to the STi setup- not adjustable, expensive- but sturdy 40mm pistons, inverted design and damping rates matched to the springs. These are the same struts/springs right off of the STi v7 RA- they have to be pretty good .
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Old 10-01-2002, 09:44 AM   #10
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Dejavu all over. If you look up my post from almost a year ago- same thing. at least Koni got the rear inserts squared away. KYBUSA and Koni were sick of hearing from me. I opted for the DMS 40's- great at first and then started diminishing daily driving performance- they still were great at autox. I am now going to the STi setup- not adjustable, expensive- but sturdy 40mm pistons, inverted design and damping rates matched to the springs. These are the same struts/springs right off of the STi v7 RA- they have to be pretty good .
Not really 40mm pistons, deceptive design. The 40mm is actuall the strut body. Inverted is the key here. the actual piston is hidden in the strut body. But of course $476 for 4 Sti struts is not a bad price. I know the WRX struts are KYB, why KYB does not make a AGX yet is so confusing. Maybe the patent issue could not be applied to KYB, but Tokico said it was the deciding factor.
PS: the Sti shocks are not warranteed, and they are Pink! I would have to spray paint them black before they would go on my car.
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