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Old 06-30-2013, 08:12 PM   #26
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you cant compare the subaru team drivers to some of the junior wrc,wrc and open wheel and dtm drivers that are in the other cars. totally different league. i was pissed too. but like hinshaw said, this is x-games nonsense and isnt remotely a real rally. the subarus dont handle well and dont have the power of the fords.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:22 PM   #27
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I don't know what exactly was the cause, but the fact that only the Subarus had problems getting off the line (don't exactly remember if it was a stalling problem or what) made the brand look pretty bad. It was embarrassing.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:15 AM   #28
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Full disclaimer, I have not watched any GRC this year. I watched a couple last year and the quality of driving was not close to amateur SCCA driving. Not to mention cars that could not even get off the line. Saying we should appreciate GRC because it is better than no rally is like saying; eating a s##t sandwich is better than going hungry. Sorry, I disagree.

Bucky used to post here. Maybe he will give us his perspective.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:18 AM   #29
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Rally in the US was nearly dead in the 2005ish timeframe after most of the factory efforts pulled out(Mitsu, Dodge, Hyundai, etc.) and before Block, Pastrami, and later Mirra joined the fray. Hate on those guys all you want to, but their names and the money they've brought into the sport saved rallying in the US. Without them, you wouldn't be able to hate on them while you watch them in the X-Games right now.

At the end of the day, Subaru's #1 goal is to sell cars. A bunch of D-list celebrities are going to bring in more spectators and thus expose the brand more than a bunch of talented guys from Europe that you've never heard of. While they're awesome drivers, the casual fans don't care about L'Estage or Higgins. They come to see Block, Mirra, etc.
This^^^^

Xgames has always been lame to Bmx, skateboarding, motocross, etc. It is a watered down version of the real deal. But, it peaks the interest to 12 year olds and once they get into it they'll discover the grass roots of the sport they're interested in.

Bottom line is any attention to rally in the US is better than none at all. If you don't like it, watch WRC instead.

As long as subies are on the tele you can count on the Sti/Wrx not going anywhere in the US for a while.

Some of you are too young to remember but it was very exciting when the Wrx was finally available in the US. Any attention to it in the spotlight is a good thing for our cars.

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Old 07-01-2013, 01:06 PM   #30
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Bucky is a tool. Just watch an episode of Launch Control and you will find yourself wondering why they let some random skateboarder have the keys to a rally built Subaru. Can't watch that show at all when they're focusing on morons like that.

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Old 07-01-2013, 03:25 PM   #31
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D Mirra hasn't showed much either, several years as a Subaru sponsored driver and I don't believe he's racked up a win yet...At least Block and Pastrana put Subaru on top in the US. It's all about the X-Games cross-over mentality of the crowd/sponsors. If you're a BMX, skateboard, FMX hero, let's dump you into a rally car. When D. Mirra started training in rally cars in NH, one of the staff told me "If we can teach him, we can teach anyone"...he was that bad.
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Old 07-01-2013, 04:47 PM   #32
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I love GRC better than rally, but I race dirt modifieds so I like the idea of laps around a circuit. But rally is also exciting.. It just pains me to see these dbags get behind the wheel of these great machines! I hate block but pastrana can wheel anything!! He is doing pretty good in NASCAR as well. Unfortunately it is all about marketing so they would rather suck and sell cars then win lol
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I am not defending these guys, but the cars aren't competitive. I am not sure that even a great driver can win with one. As far as this as a type of racing, it is the best thing Subaru has going for it right now, and they are blowing it.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:49 PM   #34
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Sverre Isachsen is a pretty accomplished driver as he is a multiple European RallyCross champion. I don't think Subaru is up to snuff with the other manufacturers in terms of performance.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:50 PM   #35
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Sverre Isachsen is a pretty accomplished driver as he is a multiple European RallyCross champion. I don't think Subaru is up to snuff with the other manufacturers in terms of performance.
my thoughts exactly. you can tell the subarus just arent on the same level as the fords and other manufacturers. it sucks but its true and i love subarus to death!
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:13 AM   #36
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They need Marcus Gronholm so bad.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:42 AM   #37
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At the end of the day, Subaru's #1 goal is to sell cars. A bunch of D-list celebrities are going to bring in more spectators and thus expose the brand more than a bunch of talented guys from Europe that you've never heard of.
True, but do you really think Subaru will sell more cars based on what is happening in GRC? Oh, I want to buy the car that could not make it off the line! No, buy the car that came in dead last. No, no, buy the car with the green paint that was driven by the flat billed hipster/BMX dude, that could not get out of his own way!

The old saying is:”Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.” Not "embarrasses yourself on Sunday and sell on Monday.”
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my thoughts exactly. you can tell the subarus just arent on the same level as the fords and other manufacturers. it sucks but its true and i love subarus to death!
To the credit of Subaru, at least they sell AWD turbocharged street going vehicles.

Well, I guess you can get a Mini Paceman turbo, but that's kind of a different class of vehicle than the STI is.
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To the credit of Subaru, at least they sell AWD turbocharged street going vehicles.

Well, I guess you can get a Mini Paceman turbo, but that's kind of a different class of vehicle than the STI is.
the fiesta st is turbo. quite a bit less power than the grc cars though!lol
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D Mirra hasn't showed much either, several years as a Subaru sponsored driver and I don't believe he's racked up a win yet...At least Block and Pastrana put Subaru on top in the US. It's all about the X-Games cross-over mentality of the crowd/sponsors. If you're a BMX, skateboard, FMX hero, let's dump you into a rally car. When D. Mirra started training in rally cars in NH, one of the staff told me "If we can teach him, we can teach anyone"...he was that bad.
Block? No. Hes a horrible driver. When he didn't DNF in WRC, he was placing very low. Thats when he had to compete against world class teams. He did DECENT in Rally America, but that could also be attributed to him having the most money and best prepped cars in those events.

Pastrana? Sure. He can drive.
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Block? No. Hes a horrible driver. When he didn't DNF in WRC, he was placing very low. Thats when he had to compete against world class teams. He did DECENT in Rally America, but that could also be attributed to him having the most money and best prepped cars in those events.

Pastrana? Sure. He can drive.
Block has finished in the top 10 in WRC and has posted top 10 stage times. I guess by all accounts, that's low.

Block also placed second the day prior. Pretty low there too huh?
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:21 AM   #42
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Block has finished in the top 10 in WRC and has posted top 10 stage times. I guess by all accounts, that's low.

Block also placed second the day prior. Pretty low there too huh?
Ya it's not "who has the most money", anyone who has seen block just straight tear it up knows that he has got some skill. When he was sportin subaru I bet all you guys loved him, he drove well enough to get that good offer from ford and start stacking. Give block some props
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Ya it's not "who has the most money", anyone who has seen block just straight tear it up knows that he has got some skill. When he was sportin subaru I bet all you guys loved him, he drove well enough to get that good offer from ford and start stacking. Give block some props

Well, Block was writing checks to Subaru to have the privilege to drive for them. Neither he, nor his teammate Pastrana were super tidy drivers from the getgo, but they both matured, especially Pastrana who went on to win a lot of Rally America championships, and then went onto NASCAR.

As for Block, I think he's a good driver who came into rallying very late in life compared to some of his competitors who started rallying back when Block was still selling gaudy shoes. Props to him for rallying because he has a good time and loves it. He never had intentions of conquering the WRC or anything.
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Yea its sad that just because they have popular names they get to race for Subaru. Subaru needs some good drivers representing them because they have the best cars, they just need the best drivcers and they would be unstoppable.
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Block has finished in the top 10 in WRC and has posted top 10 stage times. I guess by all accounts, that's low.

Block also placed second the day prior. Pretty low there too huh?
Even still, he would have been towards the back of the pack of the WRC class cars. I guess beating up on a bunch of PWRC and Gr N cars is something to be proud of?

I'm not hating on the guy, but don't kid yourself, he wasn't one of the elite in the WRC. Given equal equipment, he was getting beaten more often than not. I've got a lot of admiration for him though. He's a successful businessman with one hell of a kickass hobby.
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Even still, he would have been towards the back of the pack of the WRC class cars. I guess beating up on a bunch of PWRC and Gr N cars is something to be proud of?

I'm not hating on the guy, but don't kid yourself, he wasn't one of the elite in the WRC. Given equal equipment, he was getting beaten more often than not. I've got a lot of admiration for him though. He's a successful businessman with one hell of a kickass hobby.
He posted better stage times than many other top teir WRC teams. What else do you want? As I stated earlier, he never set out to accomplish anything, but hey feel free to make yourself feel like you're a more accomplished driver than he is, because I'm sure you are.

On point, I'd be proud if I were capable of accomplishing setting stage times in the top 10 of the very best WRC drivers on the planet, but hey, this is the internet, so obviously you're not hating on the guy, or anything.
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He posted better stage times than many other top teir WRC teams. What else do you want? As I stated earlier, he never set out to accomplish anything, but hey feel free to make yourself feel like you're a more accomplished driver than he is, because I'm sure you are.


So I can't criticize someone without thinking I'm better than them? Where did I ever say I thought was some sort of professional race car driver?

But hey, feel free to continue to make assinine, baseless assumptions!

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On point, I'd be proud if I were capable of accomplishing setting stage times in the top 10 of the very best WRC drivers on the planet, but hey, this is the internet, so obviously you're not hating on the guy, or anything.
God forbid someone not be in love with everything Kenny Block does, right?



It's fun to take things out of context to prove one's point, but considering there's usually a dozen or so WRC class cars in a typical WRC rally, no, finishing 9th overall is not all that impressive. Or in other words, he beat a handful of WRC class cars that were probably retired anyway and the rest are cars of lesser class. Real impressive!
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So I can't criticize someone without thinking I'm better than them? Where did I ever say I thought was some sort of professional race car driver?

But hey, feel free to continue to make assinine, baseless assumptions!



God forbid someone not be in love with everything Kenny Block does, right?



It's fun to take things out of context to prove one's point, but considering there's usually a dozen or so WRC class cars in a typical WRC rally, no, finishing 9th overall is not all that impressive. Or in other words, he beat a handful of WRC class cars that were probably retired anyway and the rest are cars of lesser class. Real impressive!
He finished 7th.
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So I can't criticize someone without thinking I'm better than them? Where did I ever say I thought was some sort of professional race car driver?

But hey, feel free to continue to make assinine, baseless assumptions!



God forbid someone not be in love with everything Kenny Block does, right?



It's fun to take things out of context to prove one's point, but considering there's usually a dozen or so WRC class cars in a typical WRC rally, no, finishing 9th overall is not all that impressive. Or in other words, he beat a handful of WRC class cars that were probably retired anyway and the rest are cars of lesser class. Real impressive!
http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/rall...final-results/

This is what he's referring to.

I've seen KB at many rallies, and he's certainly a very fast driver, I've seen him win the 100 Acre Wood rally several times. I always used to be a Pastrana fan, so now that he's out of rally I just watch for the hell of it, Block has grown on me over the last couple years. I really can't get into GRC though...
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Ya it's not "who has the most money", anyone who has seen block just straight tear it up knows that he has got some skill. When he was sportin subaru I bet all you guys loved him, he drove well enough to get that good offer from ford and start stacking. Give block some props
No. The flatbiller Block nutswingers are ****wits. Seeing him as a rally God was pathetic. KB never had the right attitude to do well.
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