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Old 07-09-2013, 07:02 PM   #501
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The new flight 214. Has to be a wake up call for the peers landing there.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:06 PM   #502
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crazy, seems like they'd close the runway for a bit...
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:06 PM   #503
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"Ejected from the aircraft during the accident sequence"

That usually doesn't end well.
I had wondered how they had survived, given that the girls in the last row of seats didn't make it.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:21 PM   #504
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crazy, seems like they'd close the runway for a bit...
It is closed. that is 28R which is parallel to 28L.

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Old 07-09-2013, 07:22 PM   #505
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crazy, seems like they'd close the runway for a bit...
Forced perspective, how does it work?
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:24 PM   #506
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I had wondered how they had survived, given that the girls in the last row of seats didn't make it.
4 point harnesses? vs lap belts?

I had this precise discussion with a flight crew a few months ago. Oh they make you sit in these jump seats even when a empty regular seat is available right across from you.

first response was its needed b/c they are close to all the necessary communications and rescue equipment.

Then I told her about the four point harness and how crappy a lap belt is in restraining you. she was horrified.

On my other most recent flight (737-900) I asked about the strap across the rear door window. Basically there to safeguard the door opening prior to cross check (?) so that the slide doesn't inflate indoors. I wonder if the door popping led to the slide inflating indoors.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:27 PM   #507
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Basically there to safeguard the door opening prior to cross check (?) so that the slide doesn't inflate indoors. I wonder if the door popping led to the slide inflating indoors.
Arming the doors (ie if you now open the door the slide deploys, outside of the aircraft). I'm sure the aft end of the aircraft was so much deformed it caused one of the doors to come inside.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:29 PM   #508
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Arming the doors (ie if you now open the door the slide deploys, outside of the aircraft). I'm sure the aft end of the aircraft was so much deformed it caused one of the doors to come inside.
yep. which is pretty standard. I have once had to tell the Virgin stewardess (back in the early 2000s) to check her co-workers cross check since I don't think she did it. She hadn't.

on the 737-900 the cabin crew was adamant that opening the rear door without disarming it would lead to the slide inflating on the inside.

anyone with better insight on this?
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:34 PM   #509
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On my other most recent flight (737-900) I asked about the strap across the rear door window. Basically there to safeguard the door opening prior to cross check (?) so that the slide doesn't inflate indoors. I wonder if the door popping led to the slide inflating indoors.
Kind of. It is basically a simple indication to any outside personnel that the slide is armed, and opening the door will inflate the slide. Some aircraft have a different arming system which will only set off the slide if the door is opened from the inside, but it will still be up to the ground crews to understand which aircraft are safe to open from the outside.

The 'cross check' that is called for is for the flight attendants to check both service doors in their area and ensure the slides are armed, and is indicating as such to anyone outside the aircraft.

EDIT: dammit thumper. Way better explanation too.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:34 PM   #510
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on the 737-900 the cabin crew was adamant that opening the rear door without disarming it would lead to the slide inflating on the inside.
I don't see how. The whole point is so that if the armed door opens the slide deploys outside of the aircraft.

Did this cabin crew pass their annual?
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:36 PM   #511
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Why would the slide open inside the cabin at all? This, to me, is a no-brainer for the engineers who designed the door/slide system.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:41 PM   #512
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I don't see how. The whole point is so that if the armed door opens the slide deploys outside of the aircraft.

Did this cabin crew pass their annual?
She was a very tall attractive blonde. the other was one was a modelish brunette.



soo... I donno. I did end up getting two free mini bottles of dewars out of them.

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Why would the slide open inside the cabin at all? This, to me, is a no-brainer for the engineers who designed the door/slide system.

I know that an armed door, slide opens outward etc but wondering if there is a flaw in this design that if the door doesn't open outwards completely, will the slide inflate on the inside as it can't go outside?


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Old 07-09-2013, 07:43 PM   #513
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I'm impressed that all of the doors (that we can see, anyway) opened at all. It probably wouldn't take much fuselage deformation to jam a door.
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I'm impressed that all of the doors (that we can see, anyway) opened at all. It probably wouldn't take much fuselage deformation to jam a door.
I don't think a fuselage operates the same way as a motorized vehicles (uni) body.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:50 PM   #515
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She was a very tall attractive blonde. the other was one was a modelish brunette.

What airline was this? I need to fly them more often.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:55 PM   #516
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What airline was this? I need to fly them more often.
United..



BUT... they might be unicorns. Amazingly enough I ran into them on my return leg as they were on my inbound.

looking at post crash shots the starboard aft door for oz214 was closed. The port was open.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:55 PM   #517
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I don't think a fuselage operates the same way as a motorized vehicles (uni) body.
If anything, it should be worse - in an aircraft, tolerances are much tighter and the door is designed to fit like a plug. Mind you, I'm sure they reinforce the hell out of the door frames.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:57 PM   #518
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If anything, it should be worse - in an aircraft, tolerances are much tighter and the door is designed to fit like a plug. Mind you, I'm sure they reinforce the hell out of the door frames.
I am going to guess precisely that. Plus the fuselage is meant to be springy and I'd imagine any give would take place around the reinforcement area.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:11 PM   #519
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The new flight 214. Has to be a wake up call for the peers landing there.

So that is where 777's come from?
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:13 PM   #520
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So that is where 777's come from?
Kinda. Necrophiliac 777.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:27 PM   #521
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The new flight 214. Has to be a wake up call for the peers landing there.
"As we make our final approach into San Fran International, please make sure you are seated with your seat belts securely fastened, seatbacks and tray tables are in the upright and locked position, and any personal items are stowed for the duration of the flight. Those of you seated on the left side of the aircraft, please look right."
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:46 PM   #522
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"As we make our final approach into San Fran International, please make sure you are seated with your seat belts securely fastened, seatbacks and tray tables are in the upright and locked position, and any personal items are stowed for the duration of the flight. Those of you seated on the left side of the aircraft, please look right."
Lol! Nicely put! :ClapsContinuously:
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:03 PM   #523
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Lol! Nicely put! :ClapsContinuously:
Paraphrased from an old e-mail forward.

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I had actually never seen that one, but now I feel lame.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:37 PM   #525
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"As we make our final approach into San Fran International, please make sure you are seated with your seat belts securely fastened, seatbacks and tray tables are in the upright and locked position, and any personal items are stowed for the duration of the flight. Those of you seated on the left side of the aircraft, please look right."
"As we make our final approach into San Francisco International, please make sure you are seated with your seat belt securely fastened, your tray table and seat back in the fully upright and locked position, and your personal items stowed. If you think we're kidding about all this, look to your left. I swear to GOD I will crash this plane if you don't settle down back there!!"
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