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Old 07-11-2013, 07:45 PM   #651
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I'm starting to like Deborah Hersman in unnatural ways.
Ditto. She's hot and knows stuff about airplanes. I dig it
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:14 PM   #652
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No fuel tank rupture. Unreal.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:27 PM   #653
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Ditto. She's hot and knows stuff about airplanes. I dig it
funny because my dad had the opposite reaction "another arrogant FAA *****". He did a fair amount of work there before retiring in December. Maybe he's just getting old.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:15 PM   #654
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As I follow the thread in the pilot boards, a lot of people who've worked for these airlines in Asia have chimed in. Here's another interesting one.
Korean pilots have been dog **** since the beginning of time. There's a reason why KAL was having a crash on an annual basis back in the early to mid 90s before they somewhat got their **** together.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:18 PM   #655
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You guys keep mentioning Dash 7s and Dash 8s, and I keep thinking about these:

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Old 07-11-2013, 09:43 PM   #656
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No, I was talking about this.. Sorry for the **** picture, but this was taken a while ago and I cannot find the departure pics.

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Old 07-11-2013, 10:28 PM   #657
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briefly off topic on Dash 7s.. I parked next to this guy a few years ago in Santo Domingo

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Old 07-11-2013, 10:31 PM   #658
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Sweet! I had some good pics like that, but they're gone now.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:09 AM   #659
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When I travel for work, I use a booking system that enforces the "lowest logical fare" rule. Basically, I have to choose the cheapest flight that "makes sense." For instance, I don't have to chose a flight that connects in Las Vegas if I'm flying DC to Miami. But I would have to take a connection in ATL vs a nonstop if the connection is cheaper. One of the options I can check is "Hide All Prop Planes." I.e., the system will never make you get on a prop plane
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:37 AM   #660
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When I travel for work, I use a booking system that enforces the "lowest logical fare" rule. Basically, I have to choose the cheapest flight that "makes sense." For instance, I don't have to chose a flight that connects in Las Vegas if I'm flying DC to Miami. But I would have to take a connection in ATL vs a nonstop if the connection is cheaper. One of the options I can check is "Hide All Prop Planes." I.e., the system will never make you get on a prop plane
Nothing beats USAIR direct to Miami
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:55 PM   #661
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A little late to it, but here's another breakdown of the press conference. It's supposed to be their last one, which seems odd...

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On Jul 11th 2013 the NTSB reported in their final press conference, that the pilot flying described the bright source of light at 500 feet as a probable reflection from the sun straight ahead of the aircraft but not on the runway. Based on CVR: During the approach there were remarks in the cockpit about being high on the approach, then on the glide path and some time later being below glidepath. 35 seconds prior to impact the automated 500 feet call sounded, shortly afterwards the landing checklist was completed. 18 seconds prior to impact the automated 200 feet call out sounded, 9 seconds prior to impact the automated 100 feet call out sounded, immediately afterwards the first comment for speed was heard. There was no mention of speed between 500 and 100 feet. About 3 seconds before impact the call for go-around occurred. A second call for go-around was heard 1.5 seconds before impact, this call came from a different crew member. Flight control surfaces and engines appeared to respond normal to control inputs, there was no anomaly with autopilot or autothrust systems based on FDR data. The runway was released to the airport on Jul 10th, the airport began cleaning the runway. All passenger seats were inside the aircraft cabin, only 3 flight attendant seats were ejected from the aircraft with the flight attendants seated in them. A firefighter entering the aircraft via door 2L before the fire reached the cabin reported, that when he looked right the cabin and seats looked "pristine" as if the aircraft could just turn around and depart again, very little if any damage. The escape lighting was on during the evacuation and the PA system was available. All occupants had left the aircraft prior to the fire reaching the cabin. The floor of the aircraft from cockpit to main wing spar was sound, the support structure of the fuselage floor past the main wing spar was compromised at the right hand side, the left hand side was still sound. Between doors 3 and 4 the damage gets progressively worse, there is no floor past doors 4.

Also, this is a comparison of what happened vs what actually happened.


Anyone looking for FDR data can see it presented here
http://www.sooeet.com/aerospace/what...ht-214-p01.php

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Old 07-12-2013, 03:31 PM   #662
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So, is it now proven that the pilots were a bunch of dumbasses?
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...truck/2512493/
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San Francisco police say one of the Chinese teenagers who was killed in the Asiana Airlines crash was struck by a firetruck, although it's not clear whether that killed her.

Coroner's officials are still trying to determine the girl's cause of death. But police spokesman Officer Gordon Shyy confirmed Friday that she was hit by the truck.
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:42 PM   #664
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So, is it now proven that the pilots were a bunch of dumbasses?
But but but bright light!
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Old 07-12-2013, 04:04 PM   #665
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Apparently there was a bunch of fire foam over her too....
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Old 07-12-2013, 04:09 PM   #666
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Apparently there was a bunch of fire foam over her too....
so she might have been very close to the plane / in the middle of the debris field.

This solidifies my desire to wear hi-viz clothing all the time.
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Old 07-12-2013, 04:13 PM   #667
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so she might have been very close to the plane / in the middle of the debris field.

This solidifies my desire to wear hi-viz clothing all the time.
Hi-viz wouldn't help if you're covered in that fire foam.

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One of two Chinese teens killed in the Asiana Airlines crash at San Francisco International Airport was run over by a fire truck that responded to the emergency, police confirmed Friday.

It's not yet clear whether the victim, 16-year-old Ye Meng Yuan, was already dead from injuries in the crash when she was struck by the truck, police said.

"We are confirming that at least one time, a fire truck went over a victim," said San Francisco Police Officer Albie Esparza, a police spokesman.

Yuan and Wang Linjia, also 16, were ejected from the Boeing 777 after it struck the airport's seawall upon landing Saturday. National Transportation Safety Board chairman Deborah Hersman had said the initial review of video of the rescue efforts was inconclusive in determining whether a victim was run over.

The cause of the crash, which injured 181 of 307 passengers and crew, remains under investigation.

San Mateo County Coroner Robert Foucrault plans to release autopsy results within two weeks. The coroner's office didn't immediately reply to a request for comment Friday.

Wang Linjia and Ye Mengyuan were part of a larger Chinese contingent who were traveling on the flight for a three-week summer camp near Los Angeles.

Esparza said two large airport fire trucks initially responded to the crash and began spraying the fuselage with flame-retardant foam. The area around the plane became covered in foam, and when fire trucks moved to continue fighting the fire, the victim covered in foam was run over, Esparza said.

"It led us to believe the victim passenger was on the ground and subsequently covered by this foam and therefore not visible," Esparza said. "When at least one fire truck repositioned itself, to continue fighting the fire, at that time it was discovered the victim was discovered in the tire track."

He couldn't say what view the driver might have had of the victim.

"The investigation is ongoing," Esparza said.
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Old 07-12-2013, 04:22 PM   #668
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I am still in mild disbelief that the plain was more or less intact when it came to rest, and that the fuel tanks were not compromised. The Boeing guys have to be pretty proud of there work. Then you have an Airbus falling out of the sky after the FO gets on the rudder too hard.
PLANE! THEIR! HA HA! YOU GOT ME! EXCEPT YOU DIDN'T! <engages autotroll'tle>
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Hi-viz wouldn't help if you're covered in that fire foam.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...truck/2512493/
it was a joke... i get ragged on being a proponent of it in the motorcycles thread.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:27 PM   #670
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I am still in mild disbelief that the plain was more or less intact when it came to rest, and that the fuel tanks were not compromised. The Boeing guys have to be pretty proud of there work. Then you have an Airbus falling out of the sky after the FO gets on the rudder too hard.
PLANE! THEIR! HA HA! YOU GOT ME! EXCEPT YOU DIDN'T! <engages autotroll'tle>
Then you have QF32 which had an uncontained engine failure that managed to blow several baseball sized holes completely through the wing and by all accounts, should have crashed.

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Old 07-12-2013, 05:37 PM   #673
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I am still in mild disbelief that the plain was more or less intact when it came to rest, and that the fuel tanks were not compromised. The Boeing guys have to be pretty proud of there work. Then you have an Airbus falling out of the sky after the FO gets on the rudder too hard.
That's because Airbuses are plastic eurotrash. Volkswagens of the sky.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:50 PM   #675
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Pranked TV Station Reports “Ho Lee Fuk,” “Wi Tu Lo” As SF Crash Pilots

Bay Area Fox affiliate KTVU purportedly learned the names of the flight crew of Asiana flight 214, which crashed last Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, killing two. These—"Sum Ting Wong," "Wi Tu Lo," "Ho Lee Fuk," and "Bang Ding Ow"—are not their names. The newscaster's credulous reading puts it over the top.
This aired just after noon, local time. Via Gawker, the station read a statement later in the broadcast:
Earlier in the newscast we gave some names of pilots involved in the Asiana Airlines crash. These names were not accurate despite an NTSB official in Washington confirming them late this morning. We apologize for the error.
Amazing.
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