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Old 07-09-2013, 12:08 AM   #1
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so last saturday i picked up my 2011 wrx with the premium package.

car has 25000 on it and came with an invidia cat back (which is single not dual) exhaust which i dont prefer but owell. also came with rally armor mud flaps hids and green fog lights, so basically car is bone stock

first impression of the car is good. i had no idea what to expect as i came from a 2010 impala on 22's with a 350lb sound system in the trunk (3.5 v6) so i was very use to driving slow (in my car any way lol) i also own a gsxr 1000 so im no stranger to going fast either. anyways i really like how the car handles, what a difference! and the car is quick. its not fast IMO but i think i was just expecting something different.. so basically i want more.. as usual

ive been trying to learn alot on the forums.. i think my first step is going to be purchasing a cobb AP. as well as the SF intake. im assuming i could flash to stage 1 then? will i see a difference? any help greatly appreciated.

anything above second feels a bit flat to me, i want to change that so please help a subaru newb out! im excited to support the brand and learn as i go. glad i found this site to help me along the way! thanks in advance

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Old 07-09-2013, 12:22 AM   #2
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Looking good man. Although I had to pull my rain-guards when I got mine, just take away from the car.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:22 AM   #3
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I suggest grabbing a down pipe to bolt up to your cat back, and an AEM cold air intake so you can flash stage 2 cobb map. You would love it.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:39 AM   #4
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Looking good man. Although I had to pull my rain-guards when I got mine, just take away from the car.
dude, i feel the same way lol and thankyou!

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I suggest grabbing a down pipe to bolt up to your cat back, and an AEM cold air intake so you can flash stage 2 cobb map. You would love it.
thanks for the suggestion man! what kind of power differences are felt from stock to stage 2?

any downsides to running a stage 2 flash? if i start off with an intake and AP could i flash to stage 1?

im in the dark in terms of what qualifies the car to flash to each stage any help is greatly appreciated.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:42 AM   #5
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You can flash stage 1 without CAI (all stock). Most say there are no true benefits to adding a CAI other than the sound. You best investments right off the bat are AP stage 1, then downpipe and pro tune. after you're bored with that.
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Cold air intake I'd say gives you decent power with a protune for sure. And even with the stock ots stage 2 map which can be run with an AEM intake it works wonders. My .02 cents. I loved my car at stage two. It was reliable and quick. Now it's starting to become a nightmare and expensive.

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Downpipe and tune from a reputable shop near you. Then suspension mods.
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For all your questions about what you can install and flash stage 1 or stage 2, what kind of power increases you should see, reliability, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.... Visit Cobb's website, or go to the tuning section here.

Fill out your profile so we know where you are and can help you with local tuners and shops.

Read Unabomber's Manifesto and it will answer a lot of the questions you may have.

Why do you think it's "flat after second gear" ? Most people love 3rd and 4th gear pulls. Are you actually running the engine up high enough to get the turbo spooling? Where you came from an NA car, they behave much differently from a turbo'd one.
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What is your budget?

Where in IL are you?

Instead of wasting 2-500 on an intake that essentially will make noise and offer very little power to cash ratio, use the money to buy a decent downpipe or even a used downpipe. Then get a protune/buy a cobb ap and flash stage 2/find an open source tuning buddy and goto town. That will be the best "bang for buck" option you can do.

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Stage 1= Stock car with retune plus or minus an intake.
Stage 2= Downpipe plus or minus intake with retune.

Note that your stock intake is already a cold air intake and performs much better then most know, or will give credit to. You'd be well off on the stock intake until well past stage 2.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:41 AM   #10
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You can flash stage 1 without CAI (all stock). Most say there are no true benefits to adding a CAI other than the sound. You best investments right off the bat are AP stage 1, then downpipe and pro tune. after you're bored with that.
Ok, thanks man im gunna grab the AP asap

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Cold air intake I'd say gives you decent power with a protune for sure. And even with the stock ots stage 2 map which can be run with an AEM intake it works wonders. My .02 cents. I loved my car at stage two. It was reliable and quick. Now it's starting to become a nightmare and expensive.

Welcome to Subaru though!
Thanks for the .02 cents man, i appreciate it! i know how it goes... the more you do.. the more that breaks.. my buddy had a 600 hp awd s4 on like 32 lbs of boost lol

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Downpipe and tune from a reputable shop near you. Then suspension mods.
thanks man

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For all your questions about what you can install and flash stage 1 or stage 2, what kind of power increases you should see, reliability, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.... Visit Cobb's website, or go to the tuning section here.

Fill out your profile so we know where you are and can help you with local tuners and shops.

Read Unabomber's Manifesto and it will answer a lot of the questions you may have.

Why do you think it's "flat after second gear" ? Most people love 3rd and 4th gear pulls. Are you actually running the engine up high enough to get the turbo spooling? Where you came from an NA car, they behave much differently from a turbo'd one.
ok cool i will check out cobbs site, and fill out my profile. and when i say "flat" i mean i dont feel a certain point as to when the turbo starts to spool. im completely unfamiliar with these cars so idk if its me or the car.

is there a certain rmp range that the turbo begins to spool? does it spool late in higher gears? i could def feel the car pulling but not a significant amount. i honestly think im expecting to much from the stock car. and i mean no disrespect to the car at all btw!

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What is your budget?

Where in IL are you?

Instead of wasting 2-500 on an intake that essentially will make noise and offer very little power to cash ratio, use the money to buy a decent downpipe or even a used downpipe. Then get a protune/buy a cobb ap and flash stage 2/find an open source tuning buddy and goto town. That will be the best "bang for buck" option you can do.

For reference.
Stage 1= Stock car with retune plus or minus an intake.
Stage 2= Downpipe plus or minus intake with retune.

Note that your stock intake is already a cold air intake and performs much better then most know, or will give credit to. You'd be well off on the stock intake until well past stage 2.
im in northwest suburbs of chicago, so about 30 mins from the city. and ok thanks for the info man i really appreciate it. ill def invest in the AP and a DP before i get an intake if ill benefit more power wise EDIT: as far as budget goes its pretty flexible
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You have P&L and AMS up by you. Don't be affraid to use them. (Though P&L might not be doing a lot of Subaru's lately)

I'm guessing you do not have a boost gauge. If this is true, invest in a good one so you can monitor the car AND have an idea of when the boost starts to come on.
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Hey man congrats on the car. Basically same advice as everyone else, but whenever you get a chance fill out your bio.

Also, what don't you like about the single exit invidia? The sound or the look?
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:18 AM   #13
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You have P&L and AMS up by you. Don't be affraid to use them. (Though P&L might not be doing a lot of Subaru's lately)

I'm guessing you do not have a boost gauge. If this is true, invest in a good one so you can monitor the car AND have an idea of when the boost starts to come on.
yea dude ams is not far at all, thanks for the idea. so i could get the cobb AP flash to stage 1 drive it for a while and when im ready for stage 2 get a DP and POSSIBLY an intake with a protune? and no i do not have a boost gauge, any recommondations for when im ready for one

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Hey man congrats on the car. Basically same advice as everyone else, but whenever you get a chance fill out your bio.

Also, what don't you like about the single exit invidia? The sound or the look?
im just not a fan of the look, i love the sound, but id prefer a dual exhaust since the car has that option
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im just not a fan of the look, i love the sound, but id prefer a dual exhaust since the car has that option
Yea that's what I thought when I first bought my exhaust. I ended up getting the invidia n1 street which is the dual exit. Kind of wish I got the race for the better sound, but I think I may be looking to swap my street midpipe for a race midpipe to lose the resonator.
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ok cool i will check out cobbs site, and fill out my profile. and when i say "flat" i mean i dont feel a certain point as to when the turbo starts to spool. im completely unfamiliar with these cars so idk if its me or the car.

is there a certain rmp range that the turbo begins to spool? does it spool late in higher gears? i could def feel the car pulling but not a significant amount. i honestly think im expecting to much from the stock car. and i mean no disrespect to the car at all btw!
Generally the turbo will begin spooling ~3000. I'm talking rough RPM's here, depends on lots of variables, the tune, the temperature, mods, etc. etc. Remember that when not "on boost", you only have a 2.5L engine. It doesn't have a huge amount of grunt by itself. If you're in 3rd gear at 1500rpm and floor it, you're gonna fall on your face.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:50 AM   #16
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I have a 2012 wrx and have done quite a bit. Saying that - I would suggest sway bars and some sort of coilover/spring strut combo after you go stage 1/2, whichever you decide. It's fun in straight lines without suspension, but way more fun when you can take the power around some curves.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:07 PM   #17
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I suggest grabbing a down pipe to bolt up to your cat back, and an AEM cold air intake so you can flash stage 2 cobb map. You would love it.
^^This is good advice up to where he recommends a cai. Worst advice ever given.

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^^Great advice.

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Cold air intake I'd say gives you decent power with a protune for sure. And even with the stock ots stage 2 map which can be run with an AEM intake it works wonders. My .02 cents. I loved my car at stage two. It was reliable and quick. Now it's starting to become a nightmare and expensive.

Welcome to Subaru though!
^Serioudly what with the CAI people?!!

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What is your budget?

Where in IL are you?

Instead of wasting 2-500 on an intake that essentially will make noise and offer very little power to cash ratio, use the money to buy a decent downpipe or even a used downpipe. Then get a protune/buy a cobb ap and flash stage 2/find an open source tuning buddy and goto town. That will be the best "bang for buck" option you can do.

For reference.
Stage 1= Stock car with retune plus or minus an intake.
Stage 2= Downpipe plus or minus intake with retune.

Note that your stock intake is already a cold air intake and performs much better then most know, or will give credit to. You'd be well off on the stock intake until well past stage 2.
^^ Best answer Ive seen so far.

Like stated above if you start with an AP you can see more power right away by going to stage 1 with just your cat-back. DO NOT get a CAI, they are a complete waste of money. You factory air box is way more efficant and you will produce more power with it then a CAI. If you wanted to do anything just do a good high flow drop-in filter and call it a day. The CAI is going to have you produce no gain from it or actually loss power from it. There not needed on these car until your putting out 400-500hp. Your best bang for your buck options would be first get the AP and go to a stage 1 tune since you already have a cat-back, next get a downpipe to mate with your cat-back and get re-tuned for stage 2. You actually wil gain a very good amount of power with just the tbe and a good tune.

P.S.- If you dont believe me about the CAI do a quick search on here or google as it has been discussed many times.
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Remember you don't have to get on ap to get a tune. If you can operate a laptop and aren't going to use the extra features of the ap frequently, going open source with a tactrix and map is easy and will save you a few hundred dollars (hint ,hint this will cover the cost of your protune). You can still log with open source and flash maps you just need a laptop handy.
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Has anyone in this thread mentioned an etune for him? Even with an AP and no mods it's usually quite a gain over standard Cobb maps. Then when you upgrade to stage 2 parts there's only a nominal charge for the tuner to modify to a stage 2 map. For the relatively modest upgrades mentioned, even the pro tuners might say that he doesn't need a custom, in person, dyno'd tune, and that an etunes would suffice.

Since this is not another etune thread I won't mention my tuner. Rather, search etune and find any of the 3-4 mentioned.

Pm me and I'll tell you why I like mine.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:16 PM   #20
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Yea that's what I thought when I first bought my exhaust. I ended up getting the invidia n1 street which is the dual exit. Kind of wish I got the race for the better sound, but I think I may be looking to swap my street midpipe for a race midpipe to lose the resonator.
for sure i like the look of the single tip but would prefer a dual single tip instead of the quad tip. looks tougher IMO of course

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Generally the turbo will begin spooling ~3000. I'm talking rough RPM's here, depends on lots of variables, the tune, the temperature, mods, etc. etc. Remember that when not "on boost", you only have a 2.5L engine. It doesn't have a huge amount of grunt by itself. If you're in 3rd gear at 1500rpm and floor it, you're gonna fall on your face.
forsure man i think my expectations were just to high. i cant wait to make it faster

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I have a 2012 wrx and have done quite a bit. Saying that - I would suggest sway bars and some sort of coilover/spring strut combo after you go stage 1/2, whichever you decide. It's fun in straight lines without suspension, but way more fun when you can take the power around some curves.
thanks bro theres nothing like powering through some turns. probably one of my favorite things to do on my bike. what do you recommend as far as brand go's?

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Like stated above if you start with an AP you can see more power right away by going to stage 1 with just your cat-back. DO NOT get a CAI, they are a complete waste of money. You factory air box is way more efficant and you will produce more power with it then a CAI. If you wanted to do anything just do a good high flow drop-in filter and call it a day. The CAI is going to have you produce no gain from it or actually loss power from it. There not needed on these car until your putting out 400-500hp. Your best bang for your buck options would be first get the AP and go to a stage 1 tune since you already have a cat-back, next get a downpipe to mate with your cat-back and get re-tuned for stage 2. You actually wil gain a very good amount of power with just the tbe and a good tune.

P.S.- If you dont believe me about the CAI do a quick search on here or google as it has been discussed many times.
thanks for the help dude

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Remember you don't have to get on ap to get a tune. If you can operate a laptop and aren't going to use the extra features of the ap frequently, going open source with a tactrix and map is easy and will save you a few hundred dollars (hint ,hint this will cover the cost of your protune). You can still log with open source and flash maps you just need a laptop handy.
hmm im honestly not familiar with any kind of tuning software id have to learn what to use etc.. and asfar as the protune what do they usually cost?

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Has anyone in this thread mentioned an etune for him? Even with an AP and no mods it's usually quite a gain over standard Cobb maps. Then when you upgrade to stage 2 parts there's only a nominal charge for the tuner to modify to a stage 2 map. For the relatively modest upgrades mentioned, even the pro tuners might say that he doesn't need a custom, in person, dyno'd tune, and that an etunes would suffice.

Since this is not another etune thread I won't mention my tuner. Rather, search etune and find any of the 3-4 mentioned.

Pm me and I'll tell you why I like mine.
ill look into it man, thankyou
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You can mention your tuner. And I'll guess it's a TP map?

And while he could do an E-tune, he has 2 great Subaru shops down the street from him. Rather pay money for a great dyno tune.

Just about ANY boost gauge will work. And as always before buying a part. RESEARCH THEN BUY. I cannot stress this enough.
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++++ for stage II no matter whether its and e-tune or a pro-tune...but you'll get better power and driveability with a pro-tune. Diff is $100 for e-tune $400-$500 for pro-tune but its worth the $$$.

N1 is on the loud side...you can get a used Invidia Q300 tbe for under a $1000, sounds and looks better....great match for a pro-tune. Recommend the catted dp version.

++++ for stock intake! Had Cobb CIA and it was LOUD, may have helped over 6000 rpm for the last few hp>>>give me the oem unit! Drop in a panel filter AEM or K&N and you'll have all the power/air flow you need.

A pro-tuned stage II is a great setup for the street, but as others point out the handling up grades will bring a smile to your face. Do the H brace, sway bars (22mm frt/rr), endlinks, camber bolts and a perf alignment and it will feel llke a real car. You can do all of that for under $800.

Tires!!!! The oem tires are junk!!!! Get something that sticks.
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:02 PM   #23
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I run the Whiteline swaybars (24F/22R) with kartboy endlinks on my car. 24/22 or 22/22 I think are the most popular setups. Do your research on coilovers/spring struts to see what will really suite your needs. And gauges are a must if you ask me. I run a wideband, boost, and Oil temp. for DD monitoring purposes. But that's up for debate as well. As some have said, research a lot before you do anything. I have myself bought something, then sold it for another part just because I didn't educate myself enough
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:44 PM   #24
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i would get a AP flash stage 1, im not one for driving someone elses creation so i would get some wheels that i like to kind of make it my own, then get a DP flash stage 2 and just have fun with it...do some aesthetic mods while saving for bigger and better things (turbo,intercooler,fuel anything else you desire)
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:44 PM   #25
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feed back is REALLY appreciated guys.

so after all responses i think my FIRST purchase should be either a AP or a pro tune along with some gauges so i can properly monitor my cars behavior.

-COBB AP/PROTUNE

-BOOST GUAGE http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Defi...al-52mm-30-PSI (30 reviews and average of 5 stars)

-DP http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Invi...rced-Wastegate (also alot of great reviews)

these are going to be my first couple of upgrades. i will most likely get the AP and Boost gauge together. flash to stage 1 and drive it for a bit while saving more toy money for the DP and once i get the DP i will head over to AMS and get the car tuned. i think the AP would be good to have regardless since it also has other functions

ill also be smoking my taillights, powder coating my calipers and possibly some other bits and ends red, and probably removing my rain guards.

so again thank you everybody!

i will update as i go
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