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Old 07-11-2013, 07:15 PM   #1
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Default Am I crazy for considering a Focus ST?

I'm going to test drive one this weekend. I've read lots of reviews and lurked focusst.org. Seems like a fun car.

Love my '08 STI, but I've been thinking about trying something different.

My wife and I picked up a 2013 Ford Escape Titanium (AWD, 2.0L Ecoboost) last year and I've been extremely impressed with that car so far. Very fun to drive for a small SUV.

Thoughts? Experiences with the Focus ST?
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:20 PM   #2
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I did the Ford Focus ST "Academy" last summer when it came to FedEx Field. I was decently impressed with its handling, both with and without traction control (I was able to sneak in a run without the TCS). The stock differential is nice, too, unlike most FWD cars. If I was in the market for something right now, it would be among the cars I'd consider.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:42 PM   #3
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:45 PM   #4
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My friend has one. I took it up to TurboXS for him to get it tuned a few months ago. From what I can remember after the tune it wasn't as terrible, but it's not something I would drive.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:34 PM   #5
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I did the "ecoboost experience" 2 weeks ago at fed ex. I was impressed, but only because I think I had low expectations. The price seems too high for a fwd hatch. This is just IMO.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:02 PM   #6
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As far as functionality if your are over 6 foot tall your gonna have a hard time. I felt cramped and Im 6'6". Once I got the seat to a comfortable feel there was absolutly no room for legs behind the driver seat. This basically broke the deal on the spot.

Ive heard pretty positive things on the performance side but i have heard that along with any turbo FWD car they torquesteer pretty bad.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:40 PM   #7
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I drove one and liked it. Would I trade in a 08 Sti for one? no!

Nice car but I would consider that as a downgrade from the Sti.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:47 PM   #8
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I don't know, man. I don't personally have anything against it but if it was my money I think I'd likely take a mazdaspeed3 before the ST if we're talking apple to apples. Apples to oranges id take my $ straight to the hyundai joint and get a 2.0T genesis R spec or whatever that option is called if i wanted a change from my sti.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:01 AM   #9
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I test drove one three times with the wife. The only two complaints we had were the cramped feeling with the seats and small cockpit compared to some other small hatches. We ended up with a 2013 Mazdaspeed3 that I picked up on Tuesday.

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Old 07-12-2013, 12:13 AM   #10
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working in the business has taught me to not buy anything thats brand new. id get a later year focus st if you really want one. a MS3 seems like a better deal or like already mentioned for something different get the genesis 2.0t
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:28 AM   #11
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I had it on my radar when I bought my wrx. I never drove one, but the dealer I went to was subaru and ford. I asked the salesman about it and he said it was a nice car but nothing on the wrx. The biggest complaint was the seats, anyone who was larger or taller would be uncomfortable.
I also went with price.. The Focus ST, Mazdaspeed3, and WRX are really close in price.. the WRX is the only one that is AWD. That alone was enough of an advantage for me.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:40 AM   #12
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Thanks for everyone's input!

I thought it would be a similar size to the STI based on the cargo dimensions. Being 6'5", the Focus ST might not be a good choice.

I'm not a fan of the MS3. I'm sure it's a great car, but I don't like the styling or interior layout.

I'll still go for a Focus ST test drive this weekend and see how I like it.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:45 AM   #13
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Keep us updated on how the test drive goes.

PS: You better not trade the '08 STi in!
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:13 AM   #14
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I have already raced 2 of them... I have a 2004 STi with Cobb stage 2 OTS map.

Focus ST #1 had Cobb Stage 2 Off the line he experienced traction issues from the get go never caught up, and I walked him from 3rd gear to mid way through 4th it wasn't even fair anymore.

Focus ST #2 was Cobb stage 3 this guy was a better driver and off the line we were pretty neck and neck until mid way through 3rd gear I started to pull away, by the time I was at 3500rpm in 4th gear I really spanked him.

If I were in the market for a fwd turbo charged car I would lean havily towards the Mazda Speed 3 vs the Focus ST. The Focus is way over priced for what you're getting. The factory tune on them is garbage (wayyyyy to conservative and as the car warms up the tune becomes more conservative). I wouldn't buy one without HID's but the only way to get them is to purchase a $3k add on package of mostly useless bells and whistles.

My 2004 STi with minimal upgrades still out performs a brand new car, but they are in two completely different classes. You'd definitely be downgrading.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:42 AM   #15
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Too bad we don't get the RS with the Volvo 5-banger...
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:29 AM   #16
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I have already raced 2 of them...
I stopped reading after this.

I've seen a couple ST's at the track (HPDEs) and wasn't too impressed with them. Yes, it's a newer car with an arguably nicer/newer interior with more bells and whistles, but performance wise your '08 STI is a better car.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #17
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Thanks for the additional insight everyone!

I am aware the stock Focus ST has ~100 less crank hp and has 2 fewer drive wheels than my stage 1 STI. The Focus ST is going to be slower, no doubt about it. However, I have driven slow cars that have put a big smile on my face.

Downgrade in terms of "performance"? Yes.

Downgrade in terms of interior and bells/whistles? No.

Downgrade in terms of fun? TBD (and totally subjective).

Based on what people have been saying about interior room, this is probably a fruitless exercise for me anyway.

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Old 07-12-2013, 11:23 AM   #18
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I stopped reading after this.

Pretty dick thing for a moderator to say.

I track my car
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:33 AM   #19
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Pretty dick thing for a moderator to say.

I track my car
Sounded like street racing. If not, I apologize for the "dick thing to say".
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:09 PM   #20
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The July issue of Car and Driver had a review of Cobb's stage 2 Focus ST that they compared to the stock one they drove a few months back. Stock 1/4 mile time was 14.8. With Cobb's Stage 2 tune, Intercooler, TBE, and some suspension parts it only ran a 14.2. It seemed a little off to me, I figured they would atleast be in the high 13's with those mods. I would rather stick with the 08 STi, and if not I would get a new Mazdaspeed3. But if you don't like the looks of those, then the Focus ST would be my next choice. June's issue of C&D compared the Focus ST to the new MK7 Gti, with the Gti coming in first in almost every category. It is a little more expensive but you might want to check it out.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:22 PM   #21
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June's issue of C&D compared the Focus ST to the new MK7 Gti, with the Gti coming in first in almost every category. It is a little more expensive but you might want to check it out.
I also considered the Golf R, but there were a few things that turned me off. I could pick up a fully optioned Focus ST for $25K (MSRP is $30K, but no one should actually be paying that). The Golf R would be ~$10K more.

After thinking about this for a few days, I'll probably just stick with my STI. The STI ergonomics are good for me. It handles daily driver duties, it's very neutral/forgiving on the track, and I have a boat load of parts/accessories for it that I don't want to repurchase for another car (winter wheels/tires, roof rack + accessories, etc).

I'll report back after the Focus ST test drive.
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:47 PM   #22
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Try to drive a fiesta ST while you're there. If your main concern is a smiles car that might be an option for you. I've heard nothing but great things about the new ones so far (granted most were the euro models, don't know what the differences are offhand but should be similar)
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Try to drive a fiesta ST while you're there. If your main concern is a smiles car that might be an option for you. I've heard nothing but great things about the new ones so far (granted most were the euro models, don't know what the differences are offhand but should be similar)
I would, but I don't believe the Fiesta STs have hit dealer lots in the US yet.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:01 PM   #24
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:32 PM   #25
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Pretty dick thing for a moderator to say.

I track my car
He was nicer than I would've been.

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I see your G37 has you smoking crack now.

IMO, MS3 is the better buy... Right now. Let the used market swell up with these things and then buy one to have a more fun, tossable car.
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