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Old 07-12-2013, 11:11 AM   #1
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Default Please critique my VF52 swap plan

I will apologise first for what is about to be a VERY long read.

I'm looking to build up a list of parts to support a VF52 swap on my presently stock 2008 WRX (Sedan if that matters). I'm looking to use the Torqued Performance Stage 3.52 for Opensource map. Now, I will be planning to send a note over to Torqued Performance before buying anything, but I wanted to get some opinions here first as I am nowhere near the point where I will be buying anything.

Let's start with goals. I would like the car to make 300hp. From snooping around the Proven Power Bragging section, I've concluded that this should be realistic (though it may require a pro-tune rather than the TP map linked above, advice appreciated here) and from the VF52 swap threads I've looked at it should be a relatively "safe" power level. I fully understand pay to play and I do not rely solely on this car for basic transportation. While acheiving the stated power goal I want to stress that I want this car to be a sleeper. The thing I love about the 08 Sedan is that it looks like another bland econobox (with the exception of the hood scoop). This mostly means that I want to continue to use the stock exhaust, intake, and bpv. The requisite FAQs by Unabomber lead me to believe that these components should be fine if left stock.

What do I want to use the car for after doing all of this work? I daily drive the car through the winter. I noted above that I do have another car. I also want to play with it on the track a couple of times a year during the summer.

What is the deal with the car; how many miles, maintenance? The car has 65k miles on it. It is 100% up to date on the standard maintenance schedule in the owners manual.

Have I bought anything yet? Yes, the VF52 turbo, brand new in the box.

What parts do I have on the list thus far and why?

Perrin Top Mount Intercooler

The TP Stage 3.52 map requires an aftermarket intercooler, but doesn't specify what to use. While going front mount would allow me to swap the hood for something without a scoop (sleeper), I am not willing to compromise the crash safety of the car by going front mount. Also, based on the intercooler FAQ, front mount would be a waste of money for my power goals. Perrin claims their TMIC is tested to 50psi, which should be more than sufficient.

GrimmSpeed 3 port electronic boost control solenoid

The TP stage 3.52 map calls this out specifically; going with the common advice of "do what your tuner tells you rather than listen to random internet people," seems to apply.

GrimmSpeed aftermarket 3 in DP to OEM Subaru Catback Adapter

I want to use the stock exhaust, but I need to go with an aftermarket downpipe. I think I'll need something to serve this function.

Cobb 3 in downpipe

Need to get a new downpipe. This seems to be one of the cheaper ones that comes with a cat and mounting points to fit the stock sensors. The downpipe is one of the things that continues to puzzle me. I'm open to recommendations on anything cheaper that still comes with cats and the mounting points for the stock sensors. Based on the downpipe FAQ, I'm not open to debate the merits of different types of downpipes, but this being the internet go nuts.

Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump

The TP stage 3.52 map recommends upgrading the fuel pump. This is probably my biggest technical question. Again, I will be putting this in a note to TP, but I don't think the extra info would hurt. Why recommend upgrading the fuel pump but not the injectors along with it? It seems to me that both parts have to work together in order to keep up with the fueling demands. Perhaps I need to go read the Injector FAQ again? One swap thread I noted uses the TP stage 3.52 map on the stock fuel system and the injectors were running somewhere around 98%. That strikes me as somewhat worrying (what safety factor do you think the Subaru engineers used on the stock system).

Who is going to install all of this crap? I am with the help of a friend. We have access to all the tools we'll need and even have access to some nice stuff like lifts.

What is my time frame for doing all of this crap? I'm leaving time as the unbounded variable in all of this. I will take as much time as I need to get it right.

I think that it is important to note that I've not nailed down where I'll be sourcing parts from. Once I finalize the part list I'll get to work exploiting Unabomber's note in his profile.

From all of those links I'm looking at a budget of about $2k (plus applicable taxes and shipping) to pull all of this off. I can afford this. I can afford to increase the budget if need be. As noted above, if I need to take more time to save up for the parts required to do it right, then so be it.

I think I have all of the big stuff covered, but what am I missing?

Thanks for taking the time to read through this post and thanks in advance for any insight provided. Feel free to be absolutely brutal if you feel I've not done enough research. I'm more than willing to go back and read things again if it means doing things right. One thing I'll ask is that if you feel I do need to go back and do more research, please help me out with some search terms. I've been searching for a couple of months now, and if I've overlooked something then it probably means I didn't use the correct terms.
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:43 PM   #2
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ive run this swap for about 3 years. i am using the 3.52 map as well. im running a stock sti fuel pump,perrin tmic,perrin cai,grimmspeed ebcs,forge bpv,tomei equal length headers, perrin catted downpipe,borla catback. still stock heat plugs. my car runs excellent with these mods and erics map. i see 22 psi at max boost on a good day. never had issues and never used any oil. even on original clutch still! it is a great setup for a dd car. im also running the bilstein/gt worx cup kit with yellow springs,racecomp lowering camber plates, and rallitek sways. its a complete change from the mushy instant boost 08 wrx i bought new in jan 2008!!
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:51 PM   #3
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I am the same boat as you as well, I am trying to decide if I "need" a fuel pump, one step colder spark plugs etc, etc... I have a vf-52 sitting around in a box while I am running a perrin turbo back, perrin Cai, perrin turbo inlet, and process west tmic on a perrin stage 2 map. I have to purchase the grimmspeed ebcs.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:07 PM   #4
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ive run this swap for about 3 years. i am using the 3.52 map as well. im running a stock sti fuel pump,perrin tmic,perrin cai,grimmspeed ebcs,forge bpv,tomei equal length headers, perrin catted downpipe,borla catback. still stock heat plugs. my car runs excellent with these mods and erics map. i see 22 psi at max boost on a good day. never had issues and never used any oil. even on original clutch still! it is a great setup for a dd car. im also running the bilstein/gt worx cup kit with yellow springs,racecomp lowering camber plates, and rallitek sways. its a complete change from the mushy instant boost 08 wrx i bought new in jan 2008!!
you ever dyno your car? even on e85 and a PW tmic i wouldnt run 22 psi peak..i liked my tp stage 2 tunes, but my protunes are a world apart
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:01 AM   #5
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you ever dyno your car? even on e85 and a PW tmic i wouldnt run 22 psi peak..i liked my tp stage 2 tunes, but my protunes are a world apart
never dynoed. thats the psi ive always seen with the stage 3 map. ive never had an issue with anything. i dont know. i really dont beat on it that much.my elevation is pretty low where i live. maybe that is something with the higher psi?
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:42 PM   #6
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My 2011 wrx have process west tmic , synapse diverter valve , air intake k&n short ram , downpipe tsudo bellmouth , catback invidia n1 dual and protune 19 20 psi and the car run very very good!! Never i have a problem... stock clutch for 2 years... 0 knocks - wot 10.8 - 11 max.

Perfect setup.

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Old 07-13-2013, 04:52 PM   #7
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My 2011 wrx have process west tmic , synapse diverter valve , air intake k&n short ram , downpipe tsudo bellmouth , catback invidia n1 dual and protune 19 20 psi and the car run very very good!! Never i have a problem... stock clutch for 2 years... 0 knocks - wot 10.8 - 11 max.

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im on 5 1/2 years stock clutch! its all how you drive. been about 300 whp for 3 years even.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:08 PM   #8
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never dynoed. thats the psi ive always seen with the stage 3 map. ive never had an issue with anything. i dont know. i really dont beat on it that much.my elevation is pretty low where i live. maybe that is something with the higher psi?
i dont think so, i know eric likes to crank up the boost though..lol

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My 2011 wrx have process west tmic , synapse diverter valve , air intake k&n short ram , downpipe tsudo bellmouth , catback invidia n1 dual and protune 19 20 psi and the car run very very good!! Never i have a problem... stock clutch for 2 years... 0 knocks - wot 10.8 - 11 max.

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how do you like that synapse diverter valve? any vids, id like to hear it

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im on 5 1/2 years stock clutch! its all how you drive. been about 300 whp for 3 years even.
good to know, all the people blowing up trans are people who drive like clowns
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you ever dyno your car? even on e85 and a PW tmic i wouldnt run 22 psi peak..i liked my tp stage 2 tunes, but my protunes are a world apart
how do you like the e85? i would do injectors and bigger pump if it were available around my area. there is 1 station that carries it and its 20 minutes drive. for now im stock injectors and just a sti fuel pump i bought from a wreck.
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how do you like the e85? i would do injectors and bigger pump if it were available around my area. there is 1 station that carries it and its 20 minutes drive. for now im stock injectors and just a sti fuel pump i bought from a wreck.
i love e85. im running FIC 1100s, a dw65w pump. car did 330/375 on 19 psi. the gas mileage is crap, 150 to the tank there is more in the car, but for the sake of the motor and trans, my tuner and i agreed to stop there. luckily for me e85 is all over long island
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Video with invidia q300.. now i have the n1 dual. Soon a new video. The synapse is a nice part! Similar to the forge... but with two configuration ( push or pull mode ) a + b etc.. now is push mode. The car is more fast in low rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IzL...e_gdata_player

+1 agree with the clows drivers. ( the clutch of my car is still perfect. ) no problem at all.
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ive run this swap for about 3 years. i am using the 3.52 map as well. im running a stock sti fuel pump,perrin tmic,perrin cai,grimmspeed ebcs,forge bpv,tomei equal length headers, perrin catted downpipe,borla catback. still stock heat plugs. my car runs excellent with these mods and erics map. i see 22 psi at max boost on a good day. never had issues and never used any oil. even on original clutch still! it is a great setup for a dd car. im also running the bilstein/gt worx cup kit with yellow springs,racecomp lowering camber plates, and rallitek sways. its a complete change from the mushy instant boost 08 wrx i bought new in jan 2008!!
So far I'm running

-Performance-
-Cobb Accessport+Wire Reroute
-AEM CAI
-Spectre Intake Filter
-2011 wrx quad tip Cat-Back Exhaust+ resonator cut out
-TP Stage 3.52 Map
-Perrin Shroud Cover
-Cobb SS 3" Downpipe
-Domo red oil cap
-Perrin TMIC
-TD04 to VF52 turbo swap
-Grimmspeed EBCS
-TGV gasket.
-Perrin Inlet Tube
-STi Fuel Pump 175lph
-EBC Sport Pads and Slotted rotors


-Suspensions-
-2010 WRX Suspensions
-Tanable Front Strut Bar
-Grimmespeed Master Cylinder Brace
-Rallitek Transmission Mount Bushing (Race)
-Eibach 25mm Front Sway/Eibach 22mm Rear Sway
-Perrin Front/Rear Endlinks
-Whiteline Rear Sway Brace
-Drag DR31 17x7
-AFI Pitch Stop Mount
-Rear Strut Bar

I still got Group N engine mounts and whiteline rear diff bushings to get on.


That being said, I'm getting a dyno on monday and I will give some dyno stuff on there for power, note that I have a 2008 wrx 4EAT, so you would make more power than i.

Now about your build 424WRX, would you say that the Tomei ELH's are worth it? I'm looking into them and still haven't decided yet.

Also, Idk if you remember but you helped me before a little on this build! a few months back! Thank you thank you thank you.

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Old 07-13-2013, 09:26 PM   #13
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So far I'm running

-Performance-
-Cobb Accessport+Wire Reroute
-AEM CAI
-Spectre Intake Filter
-2011 wrx quad tip Cat-Back Exhaust+ resonator cut out
-TP Stage 3.52 Map
-Perrin Shroud Cover
-Cobb SS 3" Downpipe
-Domo red oil cap
-Perrin TMIC
-TD04 to VF52 turbo swap
-Grimmspeed EBCS
-TGV gasket.
-Perrin Inlet Tube
-STi Fuel Pump 175lph
-EBC Sport Pads and Slotted rotors


-Suspensions-
-2010 WRX Suspensions
-Tanable Front Strut Bar
-Grimmespeed Master Cylinder Brace
-Rallitek Transmission Mount Bushing (Race)
-Eibach 25mm Front Sway/Eibach 22mm Rear Sway
-Perrin Front/Rear Endlinks
-Whiteline Rear Sway Brace
-Drag DR31 17x7
-AFI Pitch Stop Mount
-Rear Strut Bar

I still got Group N engine mounts and whiteline rear diff bushings to get on.


That being said, I'm getting a dyno on monday and I will give some dyno stuff on there for power, note that I have a 2008 wrx 4EAT, so you would make more power than i.

Now about your build 424WRX, would you say that the Tomei ELH's are worth it? I'm looking into them and still haven't decided yet.

Also, Idk if you remember but you helped me before a little on this build! a few months back! Thank you thank you thank you.
thanks man! i remember you. the tomei equal length headers are great! awesome quality. i wrapped them with good dei titanium header wrap. i gained some power by the butt dyno. i was shooting for less drone and a quieter car. it helped with both. the sound is unlike anything else. i have a perrin catted downpipe and borla catback. it sounds alot like a vr6 vw i think. in a couple weeks im doing my 60 k service. gonna do 1 step colder plugs and motul diff and tranny change. besides that im pretty satisfied with the car the way it sits. i love the way the car runs with erics 3.52 map. very smooth.
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Thanks for the feedback so far. I see that many of you are running the Process West TMIC. I think I'll research that a bit more. On first glance it looks like its $300 more than the Perrin one, but maybe its worth it?
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For anyone stumbling along this thread via the search engine, this thread is pretty informative. Leaning towards the PW now. The PW also comes with more stuff (like a new splitter for the scoop).
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Thanks for the feedback so far. I see that many of you are running the Process West TMIC. I think I'll research that a bit more. On first glance it looks like its $300 more than the Perrin one, but maybe its worth it?
i went with the perrin. it is a nice unit and a snap to remove and reinstall. if i had to buy again i would go process west though. nice unit and the splitter makes a big difference. i end up using the stock splitter that really doesnt cool the entire core of the perrin. its made for the stocker which is soo much smaller. ive also had some issues with deformed and melted o rings on my perrin on the turbo flange connection. i ended up going with a mr gasket part that i found through legacygt.com. i works perfect.its for a older chevy 350 thermostat. go figure! lol
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Looks like you did well on your research for parts for the swap.

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I am the same boat as you as well, I am trying to decide if I "need" a fuel pump, one step colder spark plugs...
The fuel pump is not 100% necessary but I definitely recommend it. When I upgraded to the VF48 my tuner recommended the bigger fuel pump in order to safely get more boost/power out of the car. So I say go for the fuel pump for sure.

As far as the colder plugs, the couple tuners I spoke to said that this was not necessary for the setup so I'd imagine it will be similar for you.
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The splitter is what is selling me on the PW. I'd not gleaned the info on the Perrin unit melting o-rings. Another point for the PW, I suppose.
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The splitter is what is selling me on the PW. I'd not gleaned the info on the Perrin unit melting o-rings. Another point for the PW, I suppose.
ive been through 3 perrin o rings. that new thoermostat gasket seems to be soo much better made. here is one of them.
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The splitter is what is selling me on the PW. I'd not gleaned the info on the Perrin unit melting o-rings. Another point for the PW, I suppose.
the pw is also a lot bigger. just by looking at the perrin, looks to be the same size as the oem, just thicker. i paid less than 900 for mine brand new, so if moneys not an issue, the pw is the way to go

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ive been through 3 perrin o rings. that new thoermostat gasket seems to be soo much better made. here is one of them.
thats the gasket off the turbo? wow..
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yeah thats the 3rd time it happened. i dont get it. i think they are just not high temp silicone. i had a small amount of oil seepage there. i used that thermostat gasket and its bone dry now. i didnt want my turbo getting oil on it by the hot side.
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yeah thats the 3rd time it happened. i dont get it. i think they are just not high temp silicone. i had a small amount of oil seepage there. i used that thermostat gasket and its bone dry now. i didnt want my turbo getting oil on it by the hot side.
thats odd that it happened that much. did perrin have anything to say about the failures?
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thats odd that it happened that much. did perrin have anything to say about the failures?
they told me it was overtightened. thats melted, not overtightened damage. this happened over about 4 years time. its not like my cold side of my vf52 gets that hot to melt o rings.
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Well, this came in the mail today:


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The trial of my patience begins now...
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Well, this came in the mail today:


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i remember that day! i got mine in the winter. i was like should i wait until spring or what? me and my friend installed it in late november. you will be happy.
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