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Old 07-12-2013, 12:44 PM   #1
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I've had my wrx for a few months now, and I feel the itch to start modding now. Ive been all over the forum reading up on modding and the do's and dont's. Im just looking for some clarification on purchasing a cobb ap first. And what can I get out of my car by making the ap my first step? Any help is welcomed and appreciated

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Old 07-12-2013, 12:48 PM   #2
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533787

Read that 10 times.

Making the AP as your first "mod" would mean flashing Stage 1 tune. A safer then stock tune that also runs the risk of warranty denial.

Budget and goals for the car are needed when asking these questions.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:53 PM   #3
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1. downpipe and/or turbo back exhaust
2. intercooler- perring, aps, front mount etc.
3. turbo - vf34,39,43, 52 whatever you desire
4.injectors and fuel pump
5. headers/uppipe
6. external wastegate
7. turbo inlet but not needed
8. 1 step colder plugs
9. At this point you need a custom tune
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:56 PM   #4
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1. downpipe and/or turbo back exhaust
2. intercooler- perring, aps, front mount etc.
3. turbo - vf34,39,43, 52 whatever you desire
4.injectors and fuel pump
5. headers/uppipe
6. external wastegate
7. turbo inlet but not needed
8. 1 step colder plugs
9. At this point you need a custom tune
This is very broad, and horrible advice.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:11 PM   #5
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533787

Read that 10 times.

Making the AP as your first "mod" would mean flashing Stage 1 tune. A safer then stock tune that also runs the risk of warranty denial.

Budget and goals for the car are needed when asking these questions.
I haven't read it all yet, but I have been looking there for information. Ill keep reading.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:30 PM   #6
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1. downpipe and/or turbo back exhaust
1a. At this point you want a tune.
2. intercooler- perring, aps, front mount etc.
2a. At this point you want a tune.
3. turbo - vf34,39,43, 52 whatever you desire
3a. Definitely want a tune
4.injectors and fuel pump
4a. recommended to get a tune.
5. headers/uppipe
5a. Seeing a pattern?
6. external wastegate
6a. Keep it up
7. turbo inlet but not needed
8. 1 step colder plugs
9. At this point you need a custom tune
Fixed. That was just terrible advice all around.
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Old 07-12-2013, 04:55 PM   #7
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Welcome and congrats. Get the AP and go stage 1. It will improve the overall drive ability of the car and your gas mileage. Then move on to upgraded swaybars. Just my .02 cents
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:05 PM   #8
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im on the same boat
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:07 PM   #9
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Hello everyone.

I've had my wrx for a few months now, and I feel the itch to start modding now. Ive been all over the forum reading up on modding and the do's and dont's. Im just looking for some clarification on purchasing a cobb ap first. And what can I get out of my car by making the ap my first step? Any help is welcomed and appreciated

13 wrx sedan.
What you'll get with stage 1 is 6.5% hp and 15.3% tq, peak. 12.3% hp and 21.2% tq, maximum. Don't take those number as gospel, as everyone's car is slightly different. And FYI, that's straight from Cobb's web site.

Visit it and read. A lot.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:11 PM   #10
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Lease or finance?

If finance, how long do you expect to hold onto the car in total?

Daily driver? Spirited driver? Track driver? Other?

Disposable income? Budget? Other?
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:27 PM   #11
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1. downpipe and/or turbo back exhaust
2. intercooler- perring, aps, front mount etc.
3. turbo - vf34,39,43, 52 whatever you desire
4.injectors and fuel pump
5. headers/uppipe
6. external wastegate
7. turbo inlet but not needed
8. 1 step colder plugs
9. At this point you need a custom tune
no, no, no, no, no. If you do this either A. return the car and let someone else enjoy it. B. Go ahead and buy a second motor, you are gonna need it.
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Old 07-12-2013, 06:01 PM   #12
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Lease or finance?

If finance, how long do you expect to hold onto the car in total?

Daily driver? Spirited driver? Track driver? Other?

Disposable income? Budget? Other?
Financed. I plan on keeping it as long as I can.
It's my dd and I do a fair amount of spirited driving(canyons, scenic routes, etc)
I'm still figuring out a budget, but im not trying to be cheap.
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:02 PM   #13
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Thanks for all the info guys. It's helping out a lot.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:23 PM   #14
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Hello everyone.

I've had my wrx for a few months now, and I feel the itch to start modding now. Ive been all over the forum reading up on modding and the do's and dont's. Im just looking for some clarification on purchasing a cobb ap first. And what can I get out of my car by making the ap my first step? Any help is welcomed and appreciated

13 wrx sedan.
Hi congrats on the WRX . I started with a Cobb AP then moved on to a Cobb Downpipe and from there went to a Cobb intake. What's cool about the AP is that you can tune as you go along! Oh and you can actually get any Downpipe or Intake that you think is best to go with your AP! I just figured since I'm using Cobb OTS maps that Cobb parts would make everything flow together without any problems. Generally once you get the AP this is the route most people go! Good luck to you!
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:58 AM   #15
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Fixed. That was just terrible advice all around.
Thank god you fixed that.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:00 AM   #16
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It's my dd and I do a fair amount of spirited driving(canyons, scenic routes, etc)
I'm still figuring out a budget, but im not trying to be cheap.
Suspension is always a great place to start while you're learning the car.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:36 AM   #17
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Suspension is always a great place to start while you're learning the car.
I've already done that The post was directed toward power mods.
I felt the ride was too soft for me.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:58 AM   #18
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Ap is great if you are going to buy several mods but not at the same time thus possibly saving you money on tunes. I love mine. Best of all you only really pay about 200 in the long run because you can always sell it very quickly for around 400. If you dont sell it, then i'd say it's worth it.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:39 AM   #19
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Nothing is wrong with modifying the car if you have a good tune. Just because you install an aftermarket turbo, exhaust, wastegate etc. does not being it's going to blow up or that you will "need to go buy another motor." Of course you did buy a 2013 in which case it wouldn't surprise me if the ringland cracked, but as far as the ej207 goes, I have 40k miles 4 years on stage 3 modifications. Tuned by keith at awd tuning 290whp. NEVER HAD ONE SINGLE ISSUE. It's all about the tune.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:57 AM   #20
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Welcome aboard and congrats on the new car. I would say start slow and keep it conservative. An AP and stage 1 ots tune are a good starting point.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:46 AM   #21
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What have you done to the suspension?

Like Hinshaw asked... what's your budget and goals?

Is your warranty important to you? Also like he stated flashing the ECU could potentially void any service repairs covered under warranty.

Power modification answer: If money were no object, and I lived on the west coast (hopefully in a place that e85 were readily available) I would upgrade the fuel pump, and injectors (the stock VF-52 is a great turbo imo), and get tuned on e85 because 91 Octane blows. An Accessport is a great tuning / monitoring tool. A lot of members on here say it's a waste of money, but that's a constant arguing battle. I own one, I love mine... the OTS (off the shelf) maps work great and are safe if you adhere to what they are intended to do. If you start modifying the vehicle beyond what the OTS maps cover you'll need a protune from a tuner that has the correct tuning software for them. This limits your choice in tuners. Open source tuning is always an option, as well as other EMS (engine management systems) AEM, Hydra, ECUtek, Turbo XS utec... do some more searching and reading always and make sure the decisions you make you're comfortable with.

If my car were still under warranty I would do all of this first: group-n transmission mount, crossmember brace bushings, front and rear shift bushings, subframe lock down, pitch stop, sway bars / end links, coil overs, or good springs struts (RCE springs Ohlins fixed perch struts), high end brake pads and rotors, lightweight wheels, good tires. A cat back exhaust is about the only engine modification you can do without voiding your warranty.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:43 PM   #22
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[quote="prescottn6ft7;40214520"]What have you done to the suspension?

Like Hinshaw asked... what's your budget and goals?

Is your warranty important to you? Also like he stated flashing the ECU could potentially void any service repairs covered under warranty.

So far I've installed koni yellows and swift springs. And now I'm looking for ways to help minimize the understeer.

my goals for the car, I definitely want my car for canyon/mountain driving. Spirited, but not flat out driving. So generally, more power, acceleration, better handling and stopping ability. The budget I still haven't worked out
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