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Old 07-15-2013, 10:26 PM   #1
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Default Latest gen: WRX vs STI - Stat comparison (60-0, G's, etc)

I'd like to find a comparison in a similar format to this (table at bottom).

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

I tried looking for something from Motor Trend but it all seems to lead to the WRX. It doesn't necessarily have to be from Motor Trend but I'd prefer if it was something more than some random guy on a test drive.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:38 PM   #2
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really?

they aren't much different.

but you can easily find that information on cars101.com...or subarus website....or google.....or search nasioc.
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really?

they aren't much different.

but you can easily find that information on cars101.com...or subarus website....or google.....or search nasioc.
Really? Are you confirming the information is on these resources or just listing several places it might be?

"They aren't much different" sounds more like an opinion rather than a fact. I want numbers. Doesn't have to be written in stone and I'm not going to split hairs over 106ft vs 107ft but solid numbers that can be compared is ideal.


Google - Search "2013 STI 60-0" (and a few similar variations):

I didn't find too much here. Found a bunch of WRX 0-60 hits. Digging a few pages in I found some 60-0 varying from 106ft-112ft. These were primarily forum posts and a few articles. Looks like a lot of speculation. It's also said that the WRX gets around ~106ft. I thought one of the major differences (besides the transmission and suspension) was the upgraded brakes. Here are a few:
http://www.modified.com/features/0307scc_sti_vs_evo/
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-braki...ak-brakes.html
http://acurazine.com/forums/showthre...age=2&t=145839
http://www.modified.com/features/0307scc_sti_vs_evo/


Cars101 - I read this in the past and didn't bother to read it all again so I did a few quick searches for 60-0, 60 - 0, 60 to 0, and "braking". No actual numbers came up.

NASIOC - I didn't not see any solid numbers. I saw a few speculation posts but after digging through several pages it's safe to say NASIOC offers no comparable data in this regard.

Subaru.com - Where can I look on here? I'm honestly not sure where I can find information like this. Typically on sites like this they will put stuff like "Enhanced audio experience" instead of "4 speaker audio system VS 6-speaker, dedicated amp, 305w audio system".


Also, My primary question was IF this information actually exists in an organized manner like it does in the example I provided.

Typically I would agree with your response if this were a "How much is my car worth?" type of question that we get several times a week but I haven't found another thread like this. Not saying there aren't threads that mention 60-0 times (as mentioned above) but I'm looking for a little more beyond that. In the future consider offering some information or advice, not a post that makes it sound like I'm aiming to waste your time.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:54 PM   #4
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if you are only concerned about braking, they are within 3ft of each other. the only time brembos are worth it is if you track the car as the larger rotor will help dissipate heat faster.

WRX is faster 0-60. sti weighs ~200lbs more. slightly stiffer stock suspension. 18x8.5" wheels. sti has LSD's front and rear, where the wrx has open diffs.

as far as the motors, they are near identical. the bottom end's are identical (except sti has a nitride treated crank). Sti has dual AVCS, wrx has single (similar to the previous generation of sti's). turbos are identical in terms of size and flow. sti is flanged for a more efficient TMIC design.

if you want to brake down "wheel base" and exterior dimensions - they are identical. suspension geometry is identical.

the main differences of the wrx vs sti for 99% of users come down to a 6 speed transmission, DCCD, and the diff's.

there are literally hundreds of WRX vs STI threads that will give you the honest to goodness break down of each car.
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The fact that you are concerned about 0-60 times shows you have no idea what this car in either form is about in the first place.

Autocross > 1/4 mile / stoplight bragging

Get a mustang if you care about that sort of thing. Been there, done that, snoooze.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:36 AM   #6
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Hey brent:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...on_first_test/

Has some comparison numbers between the STI and WRX:

0-60: WRX (4.7s) STI (5s)
1/4 mile: WRX (13.5s @ 100mph) STI (13.8s)
60-0 Braking: WRX (106 ft) STI (113 ft)
Figure 8: WRX (25.6s) STI (25.5s)
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:18 AM   #7
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The fact that you are concerned about 0-60 times shows you have no idea what this car in either form is about in the first place.

Autocross > 1/4 mile / stoplight bragging

Get a mustang if you care about that sort of thing. Been there, done that, snoooze.
The fact that you think this thread is about 0-60 times shows you may have a mild case of dyslexia.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:30 AM   #8
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The fact that you are concerned about 0-60 times shows you have no idea what this car in either form is about in the first place.

Autocross > 1/4 mile / stoplight bragging
Autocross is a series of short accelerations, with some turns thrown in so 0-60 times are important although the 60-0 times are probably more important.
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Concerned about 0-60 times? Research tires.


^^^

Yeah I totally mistyped 0-60. It should have said 60-0. Probably just habit.

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Old 07-16-2013, 08:48 AM   #10
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The fact that you think this thread is about 0-60 times shows you may have a mild case of dyslexia.
I will quote this as a reminder that the OP's post never mentioned 0-60 times. Instead he was going for stopping distance from 60-0 and other information about performance differences between the two cars.
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that mazdaspeed 3 looks so happy compared to the focus st
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Edmunds has a good new car comparison. Click the WRX and STi and you get some information.

With a new one, 0-60 time is not much different. This isn't 2005, where the STi lived up to its $10k difference in price.

60-0 is completely dependent on weight and tires. That's it. Nothing else. Take the 2 cars out with a set of dual drilled wheels to fit 114 and 100 bolt patterns and maybe throw some sand bags into the WRX to match the weight of the STi and run 100 60-0 runs. I would expect no difference between the 2.

What's your goal in all this? As one dealer salesperson told me when I drove a 2012 WRX, people coming in to buy an STi are doing no comparisons. They want an STi, period.

I expect EVO buyers are the same. Yah, you might get cross shopping between an S4, Evo and STi for someone looking to find a bargain compared to the S4, but $10k's a lotta jump up from the WRX if you have to search for reasons to go that way.
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Edmunds has a good new car comparison. Click the WRX and STi and you get some information.

With a new one, 0-60 time is not much different. This isn't 2005, where the STi lived up to its $10k difference in price.

60-0 is completely dependent on weight and tires. That's it. Nothing else. Take the 2 cars out with a set of dual drilled wheels to fit 114 and 100 bolt patterns and maybe throw some sand bags into the WRX to match the weight of the STi and run 100 60-0 runs. I would expect no difference between the 2.
except the part where the STI is a 6 speed and has to change to 3rd to hit 60, while the WRX doesn't...
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This thread again.

These pop up every few days...
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except the part where the STI is a 6 speed and has to change to 3rd to hit 60, while the WRX doesn't...
Sti is also a couple hundred pounds heavier.
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This thread again.

These pop up every few days...
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I can't even count how many times I have to go from 60-0 during an typical drive. Really, I can't. I never learned how to count.
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I don't see any numbers besides the common ones (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc). The general comparison is a great resource. Thanks!

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Hey brent:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...on_first_test/

Has some comparison numbers between the STI and WRX:

0-60: WRX (4.7s) STI (5s)
1/4 mile: WRX (13.5s @ 100mph) STI (13.8s)
60-0 Braking: WRX (106 ft) STI (113 ft)
Figure 8: WRX (25.6s) STI (25.5s)

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I will quote this as a reminder that the OP's post never mentioned 0-60 times. Instead he was going for stopping distance from 60-0 and other information about performance differences between the two cars.
Thank you. People see "60" and "0" are overcome by rage. All reading comprehension goes out the window.

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This thread again.

These pop up every few days...
Show me the other ones.

And don't show me an "STI vs WRX - which should I buy?" thread. I want a thread that asks the same question as this, not one that has similar words in it.
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ahhhh 60-0.... Jack used 0-60 in the sentence just before it so I was like huh?
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Show me the other ones.

And don't show me an "STI vs WRX - which should I buy?" thread. I want a thread that asks the same question as this, not one that has similar words in it.
Outside of the normal sources (google), you wont find exactly what you are looking for.

instead, you need to use some common sense, read the wrx vs sti debate threads (there are literally hundreds) that pertain to the models you are looking at, and come to your own conclusions.

Jack stated it pretty clearly. The gap between the current wrx vs sti is nowhere even close to what it used to be.
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Outside of the normal sources (google), you wont find exactly what you are looking for.

instead, you need to use some common sense, read the wrx vs sti debate threads (there are literally hundreds) that pertain to the models you are looking at, and come to your own conclusions.

Jack stated it pretty clearly. The gap between the current wrx vs sti is nowhere even close to what it used to be.
Have you ever read an NASIOC debate thread? Half of it is horse **** made up to justify their purchase. I don't consider someone spouting off on the internet as a valid source for information. Not to say NASIOC doesn't have any information but using one of its debate threads as a source of information (when requesting accurate info) is just silly. This isn't a matter of coming to my own conclusion (same as saying "form your own opinion"). This doesn't come down to opinion, if the numbers are true there is no opinion, just a right and wrong answer.

Regardless, I agree that the gap between the latest WRX and STI is very small which is what makes me wonder about actual performance numbers and the difference in performance on paper.
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Have you ever read an NASIOC debate thread? Half of it is horse **** made up to justify their purchase. I don't consider someone spouting off on the internet as a valid source for information. Not to say NASIOC doesn't have any information but using one of its debate threads as a source of information (when requesting accurate info) is just silly. This isn't a matter of coming to my own conclusion (same as saying "form your own opinion"). This doesn't come down to opinion, if the numbers are true there is no opinion, just a right and wrong answer.

Regardless, I agree that the gap between the latest WRX and STI is very small which is what makes me wonder about actual performance numbers and the difference in performance on paper.
are you only concerned with braking numbers? because they are within a few feet of each other (how close depends on who and how the testing was done).

are you only concerned with the motors power output? because they put down identical WHP.

are you concerned with what the end-user's experience is? because the debate threads are perfect for that.

I guess I'm having a hard time figuring out EXACTLY the information you are interested in, because curb weight and vehicle dimensions are readily available through several official sources.
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are you only concerned with braking numbers? because they are within a few feet of each other (how close depends on who and how the testing was done).

are you only concerned with the motors power output? because they put down identical WHP.

are you concerned with what the end-user's experience is? because the debate threads are perfect for that.

I guess I'm having a hard time figuring out EXACTLY the information you are interested in, because curb weight and vehicle dimensions are readily available through several official sources.
No, braking wasn't my primary interest. I wanted all of the details shown in the example in the OP. A fair amount of that stuff is common knowledge and readily available at a source of your choice (0-60, 1/4 mile, curb weight, etc). However, there are a few things that can be difficult to find so if I can't have it in a clean table that's fine.

I'm not terribly concerned with the power output because the primary tests (0-60, 1/4 mile) are practically the same. In regards to putting out similar stock WHP, I had read this before and they suggested Cobb's Dyno database. I looked up 2013 WRX and I saw several dynos but they were all modded. Can you point me in the direction of a resource showing a latest gen WRX and STI dynoed back-to-back?

As far as the info I'm looking for...
OP: "I'd like to find a comparison in a similar format to this (table at bottom).
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
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if you're looking for a DD, get a wrx

if you're looking for an autocross all-star that will help you learn to drive, get a miata.

sti's nowadays are just good for 1/4 mile drag cars. you can throw down 700hp and not worry about your trans and diffs turning into a smoothie.

one thing i would possibly also say an sti is good for is full blown track racing. but, let's be honest, there are better choices there too for the price ('vette)
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