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Old 07-17-2013, 02:59 AM   #26
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Wrx... Build it...
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:30 AM   #27
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Not perfect but I'm high:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

Also, for that data, the 2011 STI is a hatch, and the 2013 WRX is a sedan.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:16 AM   #28
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Wrx... Build it...


You have contributed nothing. I will award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.


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Not perfect but I'm high:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

Also, for that data, the 2011 STI is a hatch, and the 2013 WRX is a sedan.
That's great! Have yourself another smoke.

What/who is the source for this information?
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:13 AM   #29
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+/- 5hp.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:18 AM   #30
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Perfect, Thanks!
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:29 AM   #31
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+/- 5hp.
you don't think that maybe, just maybe, something is off with that torque curve on the STI ?
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:35 AM   #32
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That's great! Have yourself another smoke.

What/who is the source for this information?
I just copy/pasted from different Motortrend articles. There is probably some more data from other car magazines as well.

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Old 07-17-2013, 01:35 PM   #33
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you don't think that maybe, just maybe, something is off with that torque curve on the STI ?
Not really. Most every 08+ STI dyno plot shows a very choppy power delivery. Lots of STI complain about a very choppy power delivery as well. My 2012 WRX has a very smooth power delivery.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:37 PM   #34
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you don't think that maybe, just maybe, something is off with that torque curve on the STI ?


there are several to choose from on both wrx and sti.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:41 PM   #35
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Whoa... this WRX vs STi thread is actually somewhat different than its predecessors.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:52 PM   #36
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Ive got both, I gotta say i awas a little disappointed with the STi at first. I had the WRX stage 1 and the STI def didnt feel worth the money. However not that its Satge 2 and custom dyno tuned by COBB its a diferent story. But to be fair if i did that to the WRX it would prob be just as nice.

The big dif i notice now.
Gearing dif when in town driving.
STI less body roll and feels shaper on on ramps
I really like the wing and knowing STi is top of the Subarui line

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Old 07-19-2013, 03:25 AM   #37
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those dyno plots...

please compare stage1 wrx vs stage 1 sti.

then you'll see their potential with stock hardware is roughly the same.

not fair comparing tune on the wrx vs no tune on the sti. it's very obvious from the plot the wrx has some ecu work
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:48 AM   #38
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those dyno plots...

please compare stage1 wrx vs stage 1 sti.

then you'll see their potential with stock hardware is roughly the same.

not fair comparing tune on the wrx vs no tune on the sti. it's very obvious from the plot the wrx has some ecu work
Its even more obvious that those plots are not stock because the cars only put down mid 230s to the wheels on average off the showroom floor.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:20 AM   #39
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Its even more obvious that those plots are not stock because the cars only put down mid 230s to the wheels on average off the showroom floor.
They could be stock, if the dyno has a high CF.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:42 AM   #40
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those dyno plots...

please compare stage1 wrx vs stage 1 sti.

then you'll see their potential with stock hardware is roughly the same.

not fair comparing tune on the wrx vs no tune on the sti. it's very obvious from the plot the wrx has some ecu work
might be stage 1. all it said was "baseline" and was putting down the same numbers as every other WRX map that said "stock". But sport# really does look that stupid.

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Its even more obvious that those plots are not stock because the cars only put down mid 230s to the wheels on average off the showroom floor.
The stock dynos in cobb's databse fluctuate between greatly, as expected. Several factors play into what a car puts down.

Ether way. Here's a couple more! I tried to find the lowest possible reading numbers I could find so there was no question. You're more than welcome to search cobb's dyno database if you want.


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Old 07-19-2013, 12:18 PM   #41
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I would get the sti but thats also partial to me as I like having the top of the line model and if i got a WRX I would always deep down wish i had gotten the sti
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:58 PM   #42
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I really like the wing and knowing STi is top of the Subarui line
Insecure much?
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:13 AM   #43
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I would get the sti but thats also partial to me as I like having the top of the line model and if i got a WRX I would always deep down wish i had gotten the sti
Yeah, I bought the wrx and it was a mistake. It's not bad, but for me (Limited model) I wish I had gone STi. Mainly for the better looking brakes (they aren't that much better performing) and the better handling. The other big reason is the STi holds its trade in value much better. I don't really want to put suspension and brakes on a wrx because the car still won't be worth anymore in the long run. Had I bought the STi in the first place, it would be what I want and I wouldn't have to put money into it. Oh well, too late, unless someone wants to give me about $30,000 for my car lol.
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Old 07-20-2013, 06:01 PM   #44
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Yeah, I bought the wrx and it was a mistake. It's not bad, but for me (Limited model) I wish I had gone STi. Mainly for the better looking brakes (they aren't that much better performing) and the better handling. The other big reason is the STi holds its trade in value much better. I don't really want to put suspension and brakes on a wrx because the car still won't be worth anymore in the long run. Had I bought the STi in the first place, it would be what I want and I wouldn't have to put money into it. Oh well, too late, unless someone wants to give me about $30,000 for my car lol.
Ummm...GR WRXs have stellar resale just like the STI. Unless you take the car to the road course, those larger brakes aren't going to do you much good. The suspension is easily addressed.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:14 PM   #45
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Yeah, I bought the wrx and it was a mistake. It's not bad, but for me (Limited model) I wish I had gone STi. Mainly for the better looking brakes (they aren't that much better performing) and the better handling. The other big reason is the STi holds its trade in value much better. I don't really want to put suspension and brakes on a wrx because the car still won't be worth anymore in the long run. Had I bought the STi in the first place, it would be what I want and I wouldn't have to put money into it. Oh well, too late, unless someone wants to give me about $30,000 for my car lol.
None of this makes sense at all. Go check on prices of a 2011 wrx with lets say 30k miles. You will be shocked at the market value.

It does have to suck to make a 30,000 mistake based on what you said.

I love my plain ol limited wrx with nav! No regrets here, because I research before I buy.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:22 PM   #46
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Yeah, I bought the wrx and it was a mistake. It's not bad, but for me (Limited model) I wish I had gone STi. Mainly for the better looking brakes (they aren't that much better performing) and the better handling. The other big reason is the STi holds its trade in value much better. I don't really want to put suspension and brakes on a wrx because the car still won't be worth anymore in the long run. Had I bought the STi in the first place, it would be what I want and I wouldn't have to put money into it. Oh well, too late, unless someone wants to give me about $30,000 for my car lol.
You make no sense at all. I have a 2011 WRX and it will out performance any stock STI out there. Also, I have the better looking brakes "Brembos". Do yourself a favor and learn how to modify your car and stop crying.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:20 AM   #47
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There is a good site called carsales.com - under the car research tab you can select any car you wish and do side by side comparisons ad infinitum.

On the 60 to 0 issue, this will change and vary widely as a function of temp, surface etc hence many tests are not directly comparable. Tires stop cars and the stopping distance is given by d = V^2/2ug thus stopping distance is independent of vehicle mass and tire width (tire width ensures good dynamic contact on variable surfaces and thus maintains the interface coefficient of friction). )

Simple solution to get to 1g cornering and super short stopping distances - move to ADVAN 08r with 40 profile (if your climate permits )

As an after thought - there are many good reasons why STI race an STI in the Nurburgring 24hr race - most of those reasons are not required in a daily driver hence the WRX, which is very good at what it needs to do. As has been said a million times before the STI and WRX are specific horses for specific courses

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Old 07-21-2013, 09:46 AM   #48
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Ummm...GR WRXs have stellar resale just like the STI. Unless you take the car to the road course, those larger brakes aren't going to do you much good. The suspension is easily addressed.
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None of this makes sense at all. Go check on prices of a 2011 wrx with lets say 30k miles. You will be shocked at the market value.

It does have to suck to make a 30,000 mistake based on what you said.

I love my plain ol limited wrx with nav! No regrets here, because I research before I buy.
ALL this, WRXs hold their value just like STIs. Last night just for sh!+s and giggles, I checked the market value of my similar car -- 2012 PBP WRX Limited sedan that just passed 30,000 miles. Yeah, 30,000 miles in a year and four months of ownership after driving off the lot with 6 miles on it. Market value - $27,182. I bought it for $28,600 before ttl (with a bunch of preinstalled SPT crap) and owe about $21k on it.

Yes I know that's not trade-in value, but my dealer offered me $25k at my 30,000 mile service trying to get me to trade up to an STI Limited. The STI is a great ride, but I'm satisfied with what I got, and it's good to know I'm not upside down with what I owe.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

Also, for that data, the 2011 STI is a hatch, and the 2013 WRX is a sedan.
Great job man, was trying to figure out the aluminum wheel difference... Cars101 didn't even have that in my quick search.

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Old 07-21-2013, 09:33 PM   #49
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You make no sense at all. I have a 2011 WRX and it will out performance any stock STI out there. Also, I have the better looking brakes "Brembos". Do yourself a favor and learn how to modify your car and stop crying.
Lol, wow. First off, I have been modifying and racing car for a long time so just no. What does your car vs a stock STi have to do with anything?
You obviously can't read or you would see that I said I would rather start with an STi than change my suspension BECAUSE I would gain no additional resale value from an aftermarket suspension on my wrx. The additional value of the STi however is a part of the initial cost of the car and will not diminish.
I am not crying about anything. I made an error in judgement, oh well.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:49 PM   #50
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You make no sense at all. I have a 2011 WRX and it will out performance any stock STI out there. Also, I have the better looking brakes "Brembos". Do yourself a favor and learn how to modify your car and stop crying.
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