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Old 08-07-2013, 05:54 PM   #1
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Default Open Souce Antilag and Rolling Antilag

Since I didn't find any patches, and 2011 isn't a group N compatible (afaik), we figured out a way to antilag on demand, both for launches and for roll on races.


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Old 08-07-2013, 06:14 PM   #2
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:19 PM   #3
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im guessing underpressure power and performance
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:24 PM   #4
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Very cool... how does it work? I didn't catch anything about how it works in the video.
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:24 PM   #5
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O ****!!!!!!!!!!! You gotta get that patch Dux



I want this **** with your tune....real soon
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:12 AM   #6
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So that was your launch with normal fuel cut launch control?? Why are you having such a hard time building boost with it? I could come up with a few things that are obvious culprits. Who coded the patch for you? Merp?
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:23 AM   #7
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It doesn't sound like a software patch. I know Merp is working on Anti-lag but I don't think he has anything ready to test yet.

This sounds more like hardware based. In the video, he talks about holding the anti-lag button to start it and then releasing it to go. I think they just have some module that is taking control of timing and retarding it and then letting it return to normal.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:34 AM   #8
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:48 AM   #9
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It doesn't sound like a software patch. I know Merp is working on Anti-lag but I don't think he has anything ready to test yet.

This sounds more like hardware based. In the video, he talks about holding the anti-lag button to start it and then releasing it to go. I think they just have some module that is taking control of timing and retarding it and then letting it return to normal.
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:32 PM   #10
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It's some hardware, some software, but no patches (other than the standard TinyWerx 2-step). It can be done on ANY of the roms, regardless of year, bits, platform, etc.

With our rotated mount 35R kit, the 2-step just isn't enough. We put the 2-step at redline even, still no boost for the launch. I could retard the timing in the main map to help this, but then I'd be left with a huge hole in the map. Stock turbos this really isn't a problem as they're so small they spool 5-10psi with just a 2-step, but when you go big, it's a different story. Once we figured out that even at redline there was zero boost, and the launches still sucked, we knew we needed a different avenue.

We've been running push button anti lag on all our other AEM cars for a while, and it works amazing. Rolling antilag on our 3KGT (AWD) rips the tires off in 1st gear, and damn near lifts the front end in 2nd. The honda's will rip the tires loose 4th doing 80+mph. And it's more controllable for the launches so we only have to anti-lag for a short time. When at the light we can bounce the -step, but not until the tree is dropping do we hit anti-lag, this way we're not sitting there burning the exhaust valves waiting on the other guy to stage.

And decel anti-lag sounds awesome! Slowing for a light crack the button, and nice gurgle popping from the exhaust.


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Old 08-08-2013, 12:58 PM   #11
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Is rolling antilag a predetermined rpm or is it whatever rpm you press the button at?
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:00 PM   #12
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Thanks for adding some extra details here.

Would you care to go into more depth about how the hardware piece works or are you planning to sell this as a solution or something? I've got some customers that are into drag racing that would be interested in anti-lag on their 32-bit ECU cars. CarBerry works great for the drive by cable guys but there hasn't been a good solution for everyone else yet.

I hoping you'll share more info with the community or offer this up as a product that other people can use.

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Is rolling antilag a predetermined rpm or is it whatever rpm you press the button at?
It appears to be active whenever you push the button, regardless of speed or rpm.

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Old 08-08-2013, 05:46 PM   #13
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Ok so its a combo of software and a magic timing module box



im in...how much?
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:13 PM   #14
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Please quit calling it a 2step. It's not a 2 step.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:57 PM   #15
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This needs to be made available ASAP.

I'm still skeptical though.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:05 AM   #16
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Proefi has this already.. I hace a feeling its a set rpm and cant be changed.

Proefi also has real oem like flex fuel

And so much other awesome stuff.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:20 AM   #17
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Proefi has this already.. I hace a feeling its a set rpm and cant be changed.

Proefi also has real oem like flex fuel

And so much other awesome stuff.
syvecs is the only one I'm aware of that has rolling anti-lag.
A lot of standalones support flex fuel.
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:53 AM   #18
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I am talking TRUE flex fuel, not just a triggered map switch. It adjusts fuel boost timing etc based on the ethanol content in real time. No map switch.

And proefi just came out with rolling antilag. Again true. Any speed any rpm with the push of a button antilag.

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I am talking TRUE flex fuel, not just a triggered map switch. It adjusts fuel boost timing etc based on the ethanol content in real time. No map switch.

And proefi just came out with rolling antilag. Again true. Any speed any rpm with the push of a button antilag.

Rolling Antilag supra - YouTube
Yeah I'm talking about TRUE flex fuel too..
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:07 PM   #20
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Who the hell is Proefi and why have I been under a rock?




I must have this ............ive yet to snap a axle, kinda wanna see what it feels like lol

Seriously.....the community needs this **** bro.....post a link so I can buy this **** already!!!
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:08 PM   #21
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:50 PM   #22
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NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!





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Old 08-11-2013, 12:43 AM   #23
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un fortunately proefi takes a lot of work to run on a Subaru. Something about the cam and crank sensors or something. Which sucks because in my opinion it's the best out there. Better than motel, syvecs, vipec, etc.
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Old 08-11-2013, 03:32 PM   #24
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Dammit.....ok, well someone figure this **** out and make a us kit .)




Ill take one please.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:02 PM   #25
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No, it's not RPM specific. You can run it at any RPM. The other vid that was posted in here was a 2-step, hence why it's bouncing off of a rev-limiter, this doesn't have a 2-step (except while sitting still using the 2-step launch control).

There are 2 different things we're talking about here, 2-step is a rev control, either eliminating spark or fuel causing a bouncing of the RPMs, holding a steady RPM for launching (and what was seen in the 2nd vid). The other is Anti-Lag, which is simply retarding the timing to cause the turbo to spool. Anti-lag can be accomplished when ever you want, at any RPM, and at any speed, you just push a button and it retards your timing.

Like it shows in the video, your car doesn't bounce off a rev-limit while you're moving, the timing is just SO retarded that you don't actually make power to accelerate your car, the result is you stay relatively the same speed, while your boost builds. Once you let go of the button, your boost is there, and then your timing returns, so your car again makes power.....lots of power.

We will not be selling this.....as we are not a vendor on this forum, we cannot post things for sale. However, if there is enough demand, I will do a write up on how to do this for FREE!!! I will however accept PP donations! (ck@uppcos.com)

It's actually a pretty easy simple setup, no "magic box" or special hardware is needed.

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