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Old 08-13-2013, 08:18 AM   #1
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Toyota will be bringing a new concept car to the Frankfurt Motor Show next month. Dubbed Hybrid-R, Toyota says the concept will feature the same Toyota Hybrid System-Racing tech found in the automaker's latest endurance car, the TS030 Hybrid.

That car took second place at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, with a gas-powered, 3.4-liter, naturally aspirated V8 and a capacitor-based hybrid system. The result was 530 ponies from the engine and an extra 300 horsepower from the electric motor and batteries.

Toyota's press release came with but one image, a new Hybrid badge which is a far cry from the Hybrid Synergy Drive label found on the automaker's other offerings. There's really not much else to go on yet, but the news that Toyota is already adapting its racing tech for a concept bodes well for the future of exciting, hybridized offerings from the automaker. We'll be at Frankfurt live, and will be sure to bring you all the news on this new concept as it becomes available.
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FRANKFURT MOTOR SHOW FIRST NEWS: DEBUT OF NEW HYBRID-R CONCEPT

Toyota will showcase an exciting new concept for road and track at this year's Frankfurt Motor Show, featuring Toyota Hybrid System-Racing (THS-R) technology.

THS-R technology has been used in the TS030, Toyota's FIA World Endurance Championship car, which achieved second place at this year's Le Mans 24 hours. More information on the concept will be available in the coming weeks.

Toyota's press conference will begin at 12:45pm on first press day (10 September) in Hall 8.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:07 AM   #2
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Something better than the Honda CR-Z(though I liked the long drive I took in one)?
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:13 AM   #3
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This could be the start of first mass produced real performance hybrid. If anybody can do it, it will be toyota. The lessons they learned at Lemans, are probably incalculable.

If this truely is born from racing, BRAVO toyota!!!
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To build upon ones success at Lemans should be a no brainer. I think Mr. Toyoda is pushing in the right direction. The world would accept a legitamate peformance hybrid if it was legitimate and could be purchased by people that do not make 6-7 figures a year.

Speaking of LeMans, somebody needs to tell me why Chevy has not capitalized on past success. They have squandered an opporunity to market the Vette as the world class sports car that is it.

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Old 08-13-2013, 08:53 PM   #4
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Speaking of LeMans, somebody needs to tell me why Chevy has not capitalized on past success. They have squandered an opporunity to market the Vette as the world class sports car that is it.
They have

They did a commercial where they said "normally manufacturers have to increase power for racing.... in this case we had to limit ours so competition can keep up"

... something like that
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:00 PM   #5
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I don't see why Toyota doesn't just take a Prius and gut it till you have a frame and 2 seats. Then build a crazy lightweight shell around it, and stiffen the suspension.

It doesn't need to be crazy powerful if it's really light.

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Old 08-14-2013, 12:55 AM   #6
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Toyota Prius 1500GT?
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:18 AM   #7
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I don't see why Toyota doesn't just take a Prius and gut it till you have a frame and 2 seats. Tham build a crazy lightweight shell around it, and stiffen the suspension.

It doesn't need to be crazy powerful if it's really light.
Maybe because it looks like a nerd's shoe instead of a sports car?
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They have

They did a commercial where they said "normally manufacturers have to increase power for racing.... in this case we had to limit ours so competition can keep up"

... something like that
I recall that short lived passing blurb. They stated it was for the American LeMan Series ALMS, Not LeMans specifically. It was a weak ass commercial, that did not even air that long. People who do not know racing know LeMans, but a small segment of the population know ALMS.

I do not recall any significant marketing on the Vettes racing pedigree at all in the past 20 years. It is unfathomable to win LeMans that many times and not brag on it with a loudspeaker a top the highest mountain. It is such a waste and an indication of how clueless GM management is. Corvette exists in spite of GM management, not because of it.
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Maybe because it looks like a nerd's shoe instead of a sports car?
They can make it look however they want. It doesn't even need to have a Prius shape.
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Capacitors powered by regenerative braking seem like a no-brainer for a fun sports car. It would help to prevent brake-fade as well as providing a nice nitrous-like boost for acceleration. And you don't need heavy batteries weighing you down.
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That statement is true only if you feel like you need electric power in your sports car.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:36 AM   #13
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That's today's Toyota for ya ... what did you expect, a hybrid Supra?
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:36 PM   #14
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Hybrid Ft86 could have been fun
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:40 PM   #15
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no but a hybrid BRZ/FRZ would have been awesome.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:01 PM   #16
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We had our suspicions, but they’re officially confirmed: Toyota revealed that its forthcoming Hybrid R concept, which debuts in September at the 2013 Frankfurt Motor Show, is, in fact, built from a modest Yaris hatchback.
After playing with Toyota’s shadowy teaser image in Photoshop, we thought the concept bore a close resemblance to the European-market Yaris Hybrid. Sure enough, Toyota confirmed the Yaris roots today, publishing a complete preview rendering while simultaneously declaring the car’s formal name “Yaris Hybrid R Concept.” Say that name three times fast.
Speaking of three times fast, we’ve no doubt the Yaris Hybrid R will be much, much faster than the stock 106-hp 2013 Toyota Yaris hatchback sold here in North America. Toyota says its Toyota Motorsports GmBH subsidiary – the former F1 braintrust now responsible for creating and fielding the TS030 hybrid prototype racer at Le Mans – developed the Yaris Hybrid R’s driveline. A turbocharged 1.6-liter four-cylinder is tasked with drive the front wheels, while a pair of electric motors power the rear axle, thus blessing the Hybrid R with all-wheel drive. Performance figures have yet to be disclosed, but Toyota has previously hinted that the Yaris Hybrid R’s driveline could produce a net output of “400+” horsepower.
As neat as a 400-hp Yaris sleeper may be, it seems Toyota is wrapping the Yaris Hybrid R in some dramatic bodywork to help draw attention on the Frankfurt show floor. The headlamps and grille resemble a stock Yaris Hybrid, but the front fascia is anything but. A large, trapezoidal lower grille is enveloped in a greenish-blue surround, which transitions into a giant chin splitter. Two large air intakes flank the lower grille, and lend the Yaris Hybrid R a “spindle grille” look usually reserved for Lexus models. Rocker sills also appear to be enlarged, as do the fenders; good thing, as if this sketch is remotely accurate, the Yaris Hybrid R will roll on massive 10-spoke aluminum wheels. In fact, the whole thing looks remarkably close to some odd CGI patent renderings that popped up in China a while ago…

Toyota notes the Yaris Hybrid R celebrates 15 years of Toyota hybrids, and that it will introduce another 16 “new or revised” hybrid models by the end of 2015. Is that a sign the Hybrid R is production-bound? We wouldn’t count on it, but one piece of the show car will live on outside the auto show circuit: that turbocharged 1.6-liter I-4, nicknamed the “Global Race Engine,” will likely power TMG’s return to WRC rallying in 2014.
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400+ HP? I hope Toyota learned some valuable lessons from the CRZ.
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This really excites me in good areas.
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No car that looks like that rendering in this thread can excite me
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Soooo... 400+HP AWD 3-door hybrid?

No manual, no care.
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Old 09-04-2013, 09:12 PM   #21
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stolen from the closed thread

















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At the 2013 Frankfurt Auto Show on September 10, Toyota will present a new concept car based on its Yaris hatchback that leverages the automaker’s hybrid technology developed for its TS030 Hybrid Le Mans prototype. We’ve already had our first look at the concept, dubbed the Toyota Yaris Hybrid-R, and learned that it will feature a complex hybrid system combining a gasoline engine with an electric drive system. Now we have an in-depth look at the technology.

The Yaris Hybrid-R develops a total 414 horsepower from a gasoline-electric hybrid powertrain, consisting of a turbocharged 1.6-liter four-cylinder engine working in parallel with two electric motors to form a through-the-road all-wheel-drive system. The setup also makes use of a supercapacitor to harvest and store energy, just like the TS030 Hybrid prototype.

The engine, which rates at 300 horsepower on its own, is a turbocharged four-cylinder unit with direct injection and was developed by Germany’s TMG in accordance with various international sporting regulations. While the engine drives the front wheels, each rear wheel is powered by a 45-kilowatt (60-horsepower) electric motor--the same as that used in the standard Yaris Hybrid. The two electric motors work as electric generators when the car is braking, and supplement the gas engine’s performance under high load.

As mentioned, energy recovered under braking is stored in a supercapacitor. Compared to the standard nickel metal-hydride battery used in the Yaris Hybrid, the supercapacitor has a higher power density and a fast power charge/discharge speed. This makes it perfectly suited to the demands of track driving in delivering brief, immediate bursts of power.

The level of power depends on the duration of energy delivery required. So, when Yaris Hybrid-R is running in “road” mode, the supercapacitor releases energy for a maximum 10 seconds per charge, and the total power of the two electric motors is reduced to 30 kilowatts (40 horsepower). In “track” mode, the motors reach a combined maximum of 90 kilowatts (120 horsepower) for up to five seconds per charge, reflecting the more frequent braking and acceleration in circuit driving.

But the Yaris Hybrid-R has one more electric motor. This third unit, also rated at 45 kilowatts (60 horsepower), is located between the engine and six-speed sequential transmission. This operates as a generator, both during deceleration to feed power to the supercapacitor, and during acceleration to power the rear electric motors. The latter only happens when engine power and torque exceed the front wheels’ grip limit.

Thus, the generator works like an advanced traction control system, redirecting torque as electric energy to the rear wheels, to boost acceleration and improve handling rather than simply to limit engine power. A similar system is utilized in Ferrari’s LaFerrari supercar. The rear electric motors also improve handling; each motor can be used independently as a generator or a motor to achieve the same effect as a torque vectoring differential.

Such electrical systems will become commonplace in performance cars. Not only do they reduce fuel consumption but they also improve performance and handling.
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The debut of Toyota’s new Yaris Hybrid-R concept car at the 2013 Frankfurt Auto Show represents the Japanese automaker’s first foray into the world of high-performance hybrids for road car applications. Toyota has been racing a hybrid Le Mans prototype for the past two years but this is the first time the automaker is demonstrating the technology developed for the race-winning prototype in a road car.

Sadly, that production car is a Yaris hatchback, and it’s strictly a concept for now, but the technology featured in it hints at great things to come from the automaker in terms of performance-oriented hybrid road cars.

As previously reported, the Yaris Hybrid-R concept's drivetrain combines a turbocharged and direct-injected 1.6-liter four-cylinder built by TMG with two electric motors to form a through-the-road all-wheel-drive system. The setup also makes use of a super capacitor to harvest and store energy, just like Toyota’s current TS030 Hybrid Le Mans prototype. Peak output is a V-8-like 414 horsepower.

But the Yaris Hybrid-R has one more electric motor. This third unit is located between the engine and six-speed sequential transmission and acts as a generator, drawing power from the engine during low load situations and converting it to electricity for later use. Thus, the generator works like an advanced traction control system, redirecting torque as electric energy to the motors powering the rear wheels.

A button on the concept’s steering wheel allows the driver to select between “Road” and “Track” modes. Track mode makes full use of available performance, with the rear electric motors able to deliver peak power for five seconds before the capacitors need to be topped up. In Road mode, engine output is reduced to conserve fuel and so is the amount of energy distributed by the capacitor. Depending on the state of charge of the capacitor, the Yaris Hybrid-R can be operated in full electric mode for short distances, for example during stop-and-go traffic.

Designers have also added plenty of unique touches to make the Yaris Hybrid-R concept stand out from the regular Yaris lineup. These include newly designed headlights, LED detailing, a wider front grille and black and blue details that contrast with the white body color.

New intakes help cool the front brakes while a lower lip channels air flow under the body. At the rear, a spoiler is mounted on the roof and the bumper incorporates a large diffuser with an exhaust pipe framed by two air extractors.

Flared fenders house 18-inch TRD wheels fitted with 225/40 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires. Grooved and perforated brake discs are gripped by six-piston calipers in the front and four-piston calipers in the rear. Located on the rear pillar, a quick-opening fuel cap allows for quick refueling.

Inside, there are Recaro bucket seats, Alcantara trim and sport pedals lifted from the Toyota GT 86 (Scion FR-S). Also borrowed from the GT 86 is the CAN-Gateway ECU system that allows drivers to download onto a USB or smartphone racing data collected while driving on the track. The driver can then transfer this to the upcoming Gran Turismo 6 Playstation video game. GPS data, longitudinal accelerations, steering angles, gear changes, engine speed, vehicle speed and even water temperature are used to reproduce a real lap of the track inside the game and which can then be played virtually.

However, the Yaris Hybrid-R concept takes this technology one step further, by utilizing the same principle but in a reverse way. Data of the laps recorded through the game could be sent to the vehicle ECU. The electronic management of the car could then anticipate the driving conditions of each track, to optimise the phases of energy recovery, the operation of the traction control and the amount of energy used at each step.

While the Yaris Hybrid-R concept isn’t destined for production, many of its technologies and visual elements will appear on performance-oriented hybrid models from Toyota. These will be grouped under a new Hybrid-R sub-brand and the first could very well be a successor to the legendary Supra sports car.
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They need to build a Prius with this drivetrain. Can you imagine lining up at the drag strip beside a muscle car and laying down a 12 sec quarter mile... in a Prius... with the baby seat in the back?
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I thought taking people on a 0-60mph run with a Lazy Boy recliner in the back of my '02 wagon was fun!
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