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Old 08-20-2013, 01:57 PM   #1
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Default Next-Gen Nissan Titan to Offer Turbodiesel 5.0L V-8, About 550-Lb-Ft




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The Nissan Titan has faded into the background of the full-size truck scene, but when the next-generation model eventually arrives, itíll debut with a bang. Nissan has just revealed that the redesigned Titan will offer a Cummins turbodiesel 5.0-liter V-8, and the expected torque figure alone should be enough to remind truck buyers the Titan exists.



Nissan tells us to expect more than 300 horsepower and a torque rating of around 550 lb-ft. While the Titan has only ever offered one engine: a 5.6-liter V-8 that now makes 317 hp and 385 lb-ft of torque. That V-8 is mated to a five-speed automatic and is good for an EPA-rated 13/18 mpg city/highway with rear-wheel drive and 12/17 mpg with four-wheel drive. A diesel-powered Nissan Titan would likely improve on those mileage figures, not to mention the truckís 9500-pound maximum towing capacity.

The Cummins turbodiesel V-8 will be built at the companyís engine plant in Columbus, Ind., though we still donít know how far along next-gen Titan development is. The only light-duty diesel truck at the moment is the 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, which is powered by a 240-hp turbodiesel 3.0-liter V-6 with 420 lb-ft of torque, using an eight-speed automatic. The Nissan Titan diesel will be geared a bit more toward hauling abilities than efficiency, though we look forward to testing the truck when it arrives.

Like the mechanically related Armada SUV, the Titan originally arrived for the 2004 model year. About the next-gen Titan, Nissan also says the truck will have more cab-and-box configurations, which may help increase sales without thousands of dollars of incentives on the hood of every truck.
Until the next Nissan Titan arrives, though, the current model will serve as a placeholder. Titan sales through the first seven months of 2013 numbered 10,020 units, down 21.1 percent compared to the same period in 2012.

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Old 08-20-2013, 02:06 PM   #2
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I was wondering when we'd get a turbo diesel Jap truck. I thought the Tundra would be first...
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:20 PM   #3
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I've honestly never really liked or consider a titan. They seem average and dated. Might be worth a look, because cummins.


Hope it comes with free stickers.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:02 PM   #4
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That's a smart move by Nissan going with a Cummins engine as they have proven to be pretty bulletproof in the Dodges. I know a few people that hate Dodge but bought Rams just for the Cummins engine.
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I'm not impressed by the preliminary power/torque figures though. Only 550 ft.lbs out of 5.0L?
The V6 and I6 out of the RAM 1500 and BMW X5d/335d respectively are both producing over 400 ft.lbs with just 3.0L. Hopefully, that Cummins 5.0L will provide outstanding fuel economy and reliability to compensate for its below average power density.
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If only they'd offer a redesigned Frontier with a diesel option...
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I'm not impressed by the preliminary power/torque figures though. Only 550 ft.lbs out of 5.0L?
The V6 and I6 out of the RAM 1500 and BMW X5d/335d respectively are both producing over 400 ft.lbs with just 3.0L. Hopefully, that Cummins 5.0L will provide outstanding fuel economy and reliability to compensate for its below average power density.
Withholding judgement until I see a torque curve.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:38 PM   #8
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Withholding judgement until I see a torque curve.
I think you're right. Especially because cumminsengines.com says their new engine should be good for over 300HP.

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[...]With a torque rating in the mid-500s (lb-ft) and more than 300 horsepower, the Cummins 5.0L V8 Turbo Diesel will provide light truck customers the combination of towing capacity and mileage that is expected in the highly-competitive North American truck marketplace.[...]
http://cumminsengines.com/cummins-5L-V8-turbo-diesel
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:20 PM   #9
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I'm not impressed by the preliminary power/torque figures though. Only 550 ft.lbs out of 5.0L?
The V6 and I6 out of the RAM 1500 and BMW X5d/335d respectively are both producing over 400 ft.lbs with just 3.0L. Hopefully, that Cummins 5.0L will provide outstanding fuel economy and reliability to compensate for its below average power density.
Torque != power.

Anyway, 5.0L seems like an odd displacement for a diesel V8. Most of your diesel V8s are up in the 6L+ range. A V8 diesel seems odd, in general, for a half ton truck. I was figuring closer to a 4.0L.

Aren't they coming out with a 4cyl diesel as well? It will definitely be interesting to see what ends up happening here. Even offering a diesel is a surefire way to get your truck brand noticed.
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Torque != power.

Anyway, 5.0L seems like an odd displacement for a diesel V8. Most of your diesel V8s are up in the 6L+ range. A V8 diesel seems odd, in general, for a half ton truck. I was figuring closer to a 4.0L.

Aren't they coming out with a 4cyl diesel as well? It will definitely be interesting to see what ends up happening here. Even offering a diesel is a surefire way to get your truck brand noticed.
Yeah, sure, I'm very clear about the power/torque relationship but the title of the thread singles torque out for some reason.
I agree, a 5.0L V8 seems like a lot of engine for a light-duty (maybe medium-duty?) Diesel-powered truck.
I like the 240HP out of the 3.0L V6 in the RAM but this may not be nearly enough for some people. And some people just don't trust RAM/Dodge trucks for a reason or another .
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I think a 5.0L turbo-diesel should suffice for those hauling tonneau covers and truck nuts.
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This was written in 2009 but a lot of people speculate the 5.6 is similar to this 5L.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d...8/viewall.html
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Considering how many already use the Armada for towing, I can see a diesel one selling well.
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Not a bad truck. Just does nothing better than the other pickup on the market. Lackluster appearance and interior. Too bland in today's market. Perhaps the Japanese should learn something from Kia/Hyndai like giving some more for less cost. Most options cost a small fraction of selling cost.
Cummins is great motor but can the rest of truck hold up to it?
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I think a 5.0L turbo-diesel should suffice for those hauling tonneau covers and truck nuts.
You can't have stacks if you get a tonneau cover. The derp down the street has a Cummins ram with stacks and what looks like 2 3" nuts hanging off a chain tied to his hitch. Idiot sits there and rolls coal in the driveway when he isn't fiddling with some rat rod truck that seems to just run poorly and make noise.
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Anyway, 5.0L seems like an odd displacement for a diesel V8. Most of your diesel V8s are up in the 6L+ range. A V8 diesel seems odd, in general, for a half ton truck. I was figuring closer to a 4.0L. .
Because 'Murica thinks "V8" sounds a lot better than I-6. I'm sure the Titan would do fine with a big four cylinder diesel, but most of its buyers want more cylinders to brag about
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I'm not impressed by the preliminary power/torque figures though. Only 550 ft.lbs out of 5.0L?
The V6 and I6 out of the RAM 1500 and BMW X5d/335d respectively are both producing over 400 ft.lbs with just 3.0L. Hopefully, that Cummins 5.0L will provide outstanding fuel economy and reliability to compensate for its below average power density.

I am not following you and it's probably in those last 2 words. If this thing will have more than it's competition, how is it below average? Those other engines are probably at their capable/reliable limits. Would you want a new engine to be pushed that much?


I would have also thought Nissan could have came out with their own. They are a good sized work vehicle company, aren't they?
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I would have also thought Nissan could have came out with their own. They are a good sized work vehicle company, aren't they?
Sometimes it's just best to go the experts. Many times you end up with a better product, and it cost less in the long run. Especially with saved R&D cost.

Ford did it with International (the great 7.3 TD), and Dodge has done it for years with Cummings.
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Wasn't the last International engine in the Fords a complete dud?
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Wasn't the last International engine in the Fords a complete dud?
No, the last pure International was the 7.3. If I remember correctly Ford made the Blue Diamond joint venture program with International, and Blue Diamond trucking Co of Mexico and moved all operations to the Mexico location for the 6.0 and 6.3. They were junk. The the 6.7 is designed and assisted in building by AVL, and Australian Diesel engine company.
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I am not following you and it's probably in those last 2 words. If this thing will have more than it's competition, how is it below average? Those other engines are probably at their capable/reliable limits. Would you want a new engine to be pushed that much?

I would have also thought Nissan could have came out with their own. They are a good sized work vehicle company, aren't they?
300 hp is plenty enough for a Diesel powered light-duty / medium-duty truck. But, that's only 60hp per liter for a 5.0L turbo D engine.
If this engine was limited to 2.0L it would produce 120HP. That's a pretty modest specific output even for a new turbo D engine.
But, cumminsengines.com does say that they expect the engine to actually produce over 300hp. So, like 4S-TURBO, I'll withhold judgment until final numbers are in (but I'd expect at least 325~350 hp).

Renault and Nissan do have a modern 230HP 3.0L V6 turbo Diesel engine used in the Pathfinder, Navara, Infinity FX, Infinity M and a few other vehicles. But, maybe it's not good enough for truck duties or maybe it would be hard to certify it for the U.S. Tough to know/learn what motivates these corporate decisions.
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300 hp is plenty enough for a Diesel powered light-duty / medium-duty truck. But, that's only 60hp per liter for a 5.0L turbo D engine.
If this engine was limited to 2.0L it would produce 120HP. That's a pretty modest specific output even for a new turbo D engine.
But, cumminsengines.com does say that they expect the engine to actually produce over 300hp. So, like 4S-TURBO, I'll withhold judgment until final numbers are in (but I'd expect at least 325~350 hp).

Renault and Nissan do have a modern 230HP 3.0L V6 turbo Diesel engine used in the Pathfinder, Navara, Infinity FX, Infinity M and a few other vehicles. But, maybe it's not good enough for truck duties or maybe it would be hard to certify it for the U.S. Tough to know/learn what motivates these corporate decisions.
Why are you talking about HP and HP/L numbers on a diesel truck?
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Why are you talking about HP and HP/L numbers on a diesel truck?
thank you.
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Why are you talking about HP and HP/L numbers on a diesel truck?
Why not? Is there some kind of taboo I just broke? I did say that 550 lbs.ft for 5.0L is pretty modest as well...
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Diesel truck motors have always been about low end torque to allow pulling and towing. Their primary concern in towing is to overcome initial inertia. HP is a factor of RPM and peak HP gives no indication of the ability of the truck to get an option moving. Even many of the industrial Semi trucks only make 400 HP. What they do make though is 1,300 lb/ft of torque. That is the advantage of a diesel, it makes low RPM power, and the area under the curve can be massive. The down side is they are typically RPM limited so peak HP is listed lower.
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