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Old 10-03-2002, 07:43 PM   #1
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coilovers.

I wanted to get some coilovers. But these are just the sleeves and no shocks. These are pretty similar to regular springs arent they. They are just adjustable?? Well should I bid on them??
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Old 10-03-2002, 08:03 PM   #2
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Old 10-03-2002, 08:14 PM   #3
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here's the only coilover sleeves made that are worth a $h*t, IMO. (well, maybe besides Skunk2, but they make honda stuff) LOOK
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Old 10-04-2002, 11:39 AM   #4
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Old 10-04-2002, 03:03 PM   #5
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Alrighty then. I guess its settled. Not getting those. Thanks to Rexstang for being so blunt about it.
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Old 10-04-2002, 05:57 PM   #6
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try some ground controls or something...if they make them for the rex yet.
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Old 10-04-2002, 06:33 PM   #7
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Quin: I would stay away from those "sleeve" coilovers. They are not TRUE coilovers. I would invest money into springs or save alot more money up and get some coilover kits.
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Old 10-05-2002, 02:01 AM   #8
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are these made by arospeed by any chance??!?
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I dont know. I did see soem Skunk 2 sleeves on ebay as well for the WRX. I dont know how because I thought Skunk only products for Hondas
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Old 10-05-2002, 02:59 PM   #10
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skunk, ground control and all those others are crap. true coilovers have a threaded strut so that the spring moves down the strut and you dont loose suspension travel, anything else is just compressing the strut. sleeves are designed for people on a budget, so that they can say that they have coilovers on their honda.
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Old 10-05-2002, 08:16 PM   #11
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skunk, ground control and all those others are crap.
... I wouldN't go that far ... ground control uses eibach springs, ... so they're crap too? there are quite a few race cars that run both of those too.

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true coilovers have a threaded strut so that the spring moves down the strut and you dont loose suspension travel, anything else is just compressing the strut. sleeves are designed for people on a budget, so that they can say that they have coilovers on their honda.
what?
the sleeves don't move up and down on the strut, .... so in a sense, it would be the same as a true coilover.

the problem with most 'sleeve kits' is that their build quality sucks, springs are cheap, etc.

and yes, they are less expensive, ... but that Can be a good thing ...
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I will have to agree with No limit on this.......you mean to tell me that the Koni Adjustable struts with Ground-control coilovers that I have on my MR2 is crap?

Providing that my shocks are valved properly, im able to choose from hundreds of Eibach springs to get the proper spring rates for my car for the track we run here. Check out their site. www.ground-control.com

How about Tein's or Cusco's, able to do that?

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Old 10-05-2002, 10:27 PM   #13
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I don't know ANYTHING about coilover suspensions. This is a great primer for me! Teach on, handling gurus!
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Old 10-06-2002, 02:05 AM   #14
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ground control will match their spring rates with your struts . it's good to get a pair of springs that go well with the type of struts you plan on installing...if you plan on going with the spring option. imo...cusco's are great but they're pricey. ver5 struts, sti or fhi are shorted inverted struts ment for lowered cars...they are shorted to keep travel short..i.e. lowered car. koni makes some alright substite struts, you cut out your oem and install them, but wouldn't reccommend them. some other popular struts, i really have a mental block right now, are adjustable and great if you like to control your dampness...they are also know to blow if you are a hard core rally guru but then again who in hawaii is. i have more info in my head but that should cover it for now.
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Maybe I should have clarified myself.

My decision to use the ground-control coil-over set is for the ulimate in tunability- spring rate wise. Im tuning/focusing my car specificaly for the track and only for the track, hence the decision to go with ground-control. For MY suspension, this is the last part im looking at tuning wise. Plus Ground-control shipped my set with any spring rate I choosed.

The coilover kits on the market are a compromise between track and street. (although these same companies make track specific coilovers). Can be used on the track on the weekend, but allow you to ride "comfortably" on the street daily. Everyone has their own opinion/tolerence on what "comfortable" is, so ill leave it at that.......your opinion/decision on which to choose for the type of driving you will do.

My decision on koni adjustables for my MR2 is the fact that my struts are cartridge type and that there are only two brands that make anything for my car. That's all. As for cutting my struts, ne need, there is a threaded nut that holds the cartridge in.

Another thing on STi inverted struts. The strut bodies are shorted so that the car is lowered while keeping the suspension geometry unchanged also, you fogot to mention that.

My opinions blah, blah, blah


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Old 10-07-2002, 04:54 AM   #16
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yeah i like ground controls. on my next car, i will be installing some. good thinking on your set up scubaru cause that's what i would have or would have liked to do; only if i knew about it before i bought 3 pairs of springs and 2 sets of struts
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Don't I know it Yuzo. Always when you spend money for something, something always comes up better. That for me my friend, is the beyatch of life

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If ground control uses Eibach springs, can't I just get Eibach springs. What makes Ground control so special??

And I checked the link NoLimit. Thanx. But I was wondering if there was anywhere I can go locally that would know more about suspension works.

Thanks to everyone for all the help....
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If ground control uses Eibach springs, can't I just get Eibach springs. What makes Ground control so special??

And I checked the link NoLimit. Thanx. But I was wondering if there was anywhere I can go locally that would know more about suspension works.

Thanks to everyone for all the help....
Ground Control kits are coilover sleeves, ... with springs made by Eibach. that means the ride height is adjustable.

and you are already at the "local" place to find out more about suspension. ... so sorry, but I wouldn't send my family to any local "speed shops" for anything, ... so I'm not going to suggest anywhere But Here on the boards, ... or in our garages.
If you have serious questions, ... ask away!
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If ground control uses Eibach springs, can't I just get Eibach springs. What makes Ground control so special??

And I checked the link NoLimit. Thanx. But I was wondering if there was anywhere I can go locally that would know more about suspension works.

Thanks to everyone for all the help....
yuuup they're adjustable that's why they are good. you just have to tell GC what type of setup your're planning and they'll hook you up on the spring rates you want.
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.... you just have to tell GC what type of setup your're planning and they'll hook you up on the spring rates you want.
Remember everyone, if you are deciding to go this route make sure you do your homework. You can do more harm than good by choosing poor mismatched spring rates. If your not looking to squeeze out every last drop in terms of tuning your suspension like me, just stick to whats proven.

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